What are we doing in Afghanistan?

[GreenFish66]

We are suppose to be lookin for Bin Laden !..(I thought)..We should be peace keeping while we help the afgani's build their infrastructure and help them establish a sustainable system .>!!..Come to think of it !!We should be doing the same thing here!!.

 

[Cliffy]

Zeitgeist, The Movie - Remastered / Final Edition

Start with that.

 

[GreenFish66]

Oh I get it!

I get it now..The Taliban are on heroin!..Makes ya lazy and crazy!!..We just have to introduce them to God!!...

I played Sabbath backwards at 78 speed man!!.. I saw God! (or somethin)!....

Isn't it funny that in science, between Ptolemy thinking the earth was the center of the universe ,and experimenting with medical plants!..Was when Jesus ,debatably ,lived !!...I think Jesus knew the earth was the son of god(the sun) before it was excepted ..Perhaps It was his beliefs that got him in the end!!..Or maybe it was a drug deal gone bad!!!...OOOOOOOOWWWW...Hope I don't catch hell for that one...

I Have faith in our troops ..We can do anything we set our minds to!!..Some faster than others!..We need to help Afgani's build a better way of life or get the hell outta there!

Sorry maybe I should be on the "Does God Exist" thread...lol

I'll go back to being a silent reader now....lol

L8R

 

[petros]

For the Nth time.....it was impossible for the WTC to be brought down by CD (Controlled Demolition) for the simple reason that there are only a small handful of companies that do that sort of work, very few people with the expertise to pull off ANY CD

Far out...an Al CIAda operative on TV making a claim of another attack and isn't in GITMO? How the hell did that happen? Gullible, absolutely gullible.

Who says it was explosives? Are we not living in a world that has progressed beyond explosives to alter matter? How many ways can you boil water without using fire?


Here is a video that aired July 25th 2001 that warns of the attack and even goes as far to name bin Laden as the patsy.


Try your hardest to debunk this which will be an absolutely impossible task. I'll even go as far as offering a g-note to anyone who can. Anyone else care to put their money where there mouth is?


YouTube - Alex Jones Predicts 911

 

[GreenFish66]

Helped Bush get Suddam! and re-elected....Got us into a "CRISIS"!.......Ya could see it comin before Bush was even elected ...It was on his agenda!,,,Oil!!,,Location,,,Location..Location!..Like a big game of "RISK"...Now Russia has georgia!..We all have an economic crisis!

Ok..really I'll be quite now!!...Good thread!

 

[petros]

People with an actual understanding of civil engineering can grasp this concept. People with a desire to make themselves into media celebrities, or people with a need to believe in conspiracies (see also: religious fanatics, a related species), no matter what their educational background, will have trouble with this concept.

Do you have a degree in physics of any sort? Yes or no? Anyone who would be "in the know" as you say wouldn't make a claim about engineering they'd go straight to the physics.

 

[Colpy]

Zeitgeist, The Movie - Remastered / Final Edition

Start with that.

Damn, we've been through all this crap before!

Go looking for the old threads on 9-11.

I haven't the patience to spoon feed the conspiracy theorists.......who can't be convinced by evidence anyway......simply because if the attacks did happen in the claimed fashion, their entire house-of-cards belief system collapses.

Its foundation is that the west in general, and the USA in particular is evil.....

Cultural suicide.

Idiocy.

 

[Cliffy]

Colpy,

You obviously gave this a lot of thought. You studied all the evidence. You drew your conclusions. Good for you. You did your job as a good citizen. I really do admire you for that.

I did the same and came to a different conclusion. I have a diametrically opposed view of things to yours. So what? I don't feel threatened by your views and I hope that you do not feel threatened by mine. Have a good evening.

 

[petros]

I haven't the patience to spoon feed the conspiracy theorists.......who can't be convinced by evidence anyway......simply because if the attacks did happen in the claimed fashion, their entire house-of-cards belief system collapses.

Its foundation is that the west in general, and the USA in particular is evil.....

Cultural suicide.

Idiocy.

Has it ever crossed your mind that the whole sharade is in fact to do exactly that? To destroy the entire system and then profit from and gain more control? If you wanted to buy up a nations assets would you do it when it is profitable and doing well or do wait to buy at pennies on the dollar when the owner's back is against the wall and forced to sell?


What do you call a bunch of guys secretly planning an attack in a cave? A CONSPIRACY!

Want to earn $1000? Debunk the July 25th video and it's your's no questions asked.

 

[Colpy]

Has it ever crossed your mind that the whole sharade is in fact to do exactly that? To destroy the entire system and then profit from and gain more control? If you wanted to buy up a nations assets would you do it when it is profitable and doing well or do wait to buy at pennies on the dollar when the owner's back is against the wall and forced to sell?


What do you call a bunch of guys secretly planning an attack in a cave? A CONSPIRACY!

Want to earn $1000? Debunk the July 25th video and it's your's no questions asked.

ah....excuse me?

What's to debunk? The ravings of a paranoid lunatic?

Please don't tell me he is predicting 9-11......he isn't......he is talking about the 1993 car bomb attack......

1993 World Trade Center bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So where's my cash?

I don't get it, do I? :roll::roll:

 

[petros]

Please don't tell me he is predicting 9-11......he isn't......he is talking about the 1993 car bomb attack......


Sorry buddy...he's talking 2001. Did he stutter? No. Was the video and audio damaged? No. No cash for you. Listen with both ears next time.

Yes, the 1993 car bomb attack was indeed mentioned. You knew the bomb in the 93 attack was provided by the FBI didn't you and the Port Authority held 68% liable in a suit by the victims?

How is denial working for you? By denying you are supporting the very sick and twisted regime that is currently and purposely destroying the world economy and your life and you have the audacity to call someone a lunatic?

Was it terrorists that ran up 8 Trillion in debt over the past 8 years? Was it terrorists who invented the CDO and crashed the markets? Is it terrorists tapping your phone and digitally "opening your mail"? Was it terrorists who raped the Bill of Rights and Constitution and ended Habeas Corpus? Was it terrorists who rigged two elections? Was it terrorists who lied to the world about WMDs? Is it terrorists who are letting thousands or WTC rescue workers and clean up crew die from asbestosis?

Is that the kind of lunatic you endorse? If so I hope like hell you lose your shirt in this manufactured economic crisis because you've earned it. It is ignorance of the truth and denial that has the world in chaos not some made up jackass in a cave.


Face the truth already and bring the real criminals to justice instead of living in denial and fear of a non-existent boogieman.

 

[petros]

BTW did you read this on the page you supplied the link to?

FBI involvement

In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, a former Egyptian army officer named Emad Salem. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of hundreds of possible suspects.
Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed that the FBI's original plan was for Salem to supply the conspirators with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that the FBI chose to use him for other purposes instead. He secretly recorded hundreds of hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers.[24]

 

[Cliffy]

Face the truth already and bring the real criminals to justice instead of living in denial and fear of a non-existent boogieman.

petros,

You really nailed it with that rant. The majority of Americans believe it was an inside job, but I guess there are still a few whose grade school brainwashing has not been overcome.

 

[scratch]

Inside job, approved by the administration.

 

[Zzarchov]

Face the truth already and bring the real criminals to justice instead of living in denial and fear of a non-existent boogieman.

petros,

You really nailed it with that rant. The majority of Americans believe it was an inside job, but I guess there are still a few whose grade school brainwashing has not been overcome.

And thus ends the mature section.

Look, you still can't answer WHO planned this big event.

Who went in to plant the charges, considering the time it takes, how did no one in the building notice. You know, the people who later ended up either dying or having their friends die as they fled.

And if they can pull of this elite plan, how come they couldn't plan an invasion, successful campaign or economy.

And what exactly was the point. "Justify an invasion?", are you not familiar with American history, they invade people every 5 years.

Planes rammed into the building. People were on those planes, thats a fact. People saw the planes ram into the building, in person.

Why did those average people commit suicide, what glorious goal inspired soccer moms to off themselves?

There is nothing that any US government agency could gain from the WTC that couldn't be gained far easier through other means.

You've been brainwashed by people who can't handle a shift in their worldview, so they make outrageously complicated conspiracies.

Because they need to believe their government is competant and that people have obscene loyalty to their superiors.

They want their superiors to be rich so badly, they give up their own lives and their own chance at obscene fame to murder their countrymen.

It doesn't make sense.

 

[darkbeaver]

Face the truth already and bring the real criminals to justice instead of living in denial and fear of a non-existent boogieman.

petros,

You really nailed it with that rant. The majority of Americans believe it was an inside job, but I guess there are still a few whose grade school brainwashing has not been overcome.

While the grade school brainwashing sets the criticle standards of the target groups early and it often re-enforces those standards I do think there is signifigant paid debunking help liberally spread throughout the media to contain and control the debate. Standard practice nowadays is to infiltrate protest and debate, same as they did in Seatle and Quebec.

 

[Trex]

I think we should try to negotiate with the taliban...At least keep in communication...After all, how do we end a war if there is no communication..WW 2 would have lasted forever without communications.

I would really like to see Osama Bin Laden at the negotiation table because I don't believe he is still alive!...I believe the Taliban are just misguided villagers,,People with extremist dilusions against a foreign invader!!

Let's see Osama!

The Taliban ,those poor misguided villagers as you put it are in reality ignorant, barbaric torturers.

I was just watching the news last night and they were discussing the arrest of 20 self admitted
Taliban.
These fun loving fellows intentionally threw concentrated acid into the faces of 14 schoolgirls and their teacher.
The acid literally ate the eyes right out of the sockets of one of the girls.
The Taliban has repeatedly stated that it's policy opposes ALL schools and education for females.

And what about those stonings in the soccer stadiums?
I mean the sooner we reinstate that cheap form of Taliban family entertainment the better.

Honor killings and rape as a method of controlling womans rights?

The Taliban are a blight on civilization.

The Taliban are a recent product of Pakistan's madrasses.
Those indoctrination centers(disguised as schools) were created and guided by Pakistan's ISI and partially funded by CIA cash.
It was a purely political maneuver by Pakistan.
Their goal was to destabilize neighboring regimes while increasing their own influence in the region.

And it created a ignorant, fundamentalist monster that outgrew its creators.

Canadian troops are presently there because NATO, the G7 and the UN all agree that without peacekeeping and education combined with infrastructure funding that Afghanistan will regress into a godforsaken hellhole.

And believe it or not I too believe our troops should leave that horribly unfortunate country.
Canada's troops have for far too long been carrying more than their fair share of the burden.
Promised funding from other countries has not arrived.
We cant do it alone.
Other countries don't seem to care.

Time to go.

Trex

 

[petros]

Canadian troops are presently there because NATO, the G7 and the UN all agree that without peacekeeping and education combined with infrastructure funding that Afghanistan will regress into a godforsaken hellhole.


We aren't peacekeeping. Canada took on a COMBAT role two years ago. We are at war not peackeeping, planting tulips and handing out baskets of gingers snaps to school children.


There is no peace to keep.

 

[petros]

Who went in to plant the charges, considering the time it takes, how did no one in the building notice. You know, the people who later ended up either dying or having their friends die as they fled.


If you were paying attention to the big picture you'd know that "security teams" and "electricians" were in and out of the building for weeks prior to the event. They even went as far a complete downdown of the entire building for a full weekend. Why are you just learning this now?

When you stand to make billions and billions dollars a handful of lives is nothing. As long as there are people like yourself so convinced it was the boogieman it will remain easy for this type of event to happen over and over and over again. Which in the end makes you an implicant.

 

[EagleSmack]

Damn, we've been through all this crap before!

Go looking for the old threads on 9-11.

I haven't the patience to spoon feed the conspiracy theorists.......who can't be convinced by evidence anyway......simply because if the attacks did happen in the claimed fashion, their entire house-of-cards belief system collapses.

Its foundation is that the west in general, and the USA in particular is evil.....

Cultural suicide.

Idiocy.

A whole new group has just joined so this is new to them on THIS forum.