What are we doing in Afghanistan?

[Spade]

And reported in the Ceeb (CBC),

Quote:

"We haven't accepted the international community so our lives would get worse. We accepted them so our lives would get better," Karzai said Wednesday during a joint news conference with NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer.

"We can accept some destruction — even some civilian casualties — if we have hope for a future of security and peace … but this [style of] fighting can't be the only way forever."

 

[Tyr]

What are we doing in Afghanistan. Why we are keeping the world free and democratic and unfortunately getting alot of Canadians killed to appease the USA

 

[Tyr]

I wonder what people would think if the Afghani's came here to help up with our seperatist issue?

 

[Colpy]

I wonder what people would think if the Afghani's came here to help up with our seperatist issue?

Well, if your pals in the Liberal Party get their way, the separatists are about to become a whole lot more powerful......so maybe we'll find out.....

Afghan peacekeepers in Canada after a Canadian civil war.

Interesting concept.

 

[Cliffy]

Afghan peacekeepers in Canada after a Canadian civil war.

Well, more realistically, to be a similar situation, they would come here to occupy our country because they think our government is corrupt, kill most of our leaders and a bunch of civilians and then establish a puppet government consisting of Mafia members and then precede to tell us how to run our country. Then they build a pipeline and steal all our resources.

Am I getting close?

 

[Colpy]

Afghan peacekeepers in Canada after a Canadian civil war.

Well, more realistically, to be a similar situation, they would come here to occupy our country because they think our government is corrupt, kill most of our leaders and a bunch of civilians and then establish a puppet government consisting of Mafia members and then precede to tell us how to run our country. Then they build a pipeline and steal all our resources.

Am I getting close?

You know nothing about Afghanistan and the Taliban, do you?

Afghanistan has resources to steal? I don't think so.

Karzai was elected.

We (meaning our closest allies) were ATTACKED by groups based in Afghanistan and supported by the Taliban gov't. Our attack on that nation was fully justified, and the subsequent mission there has the blessing of even the idiots running the United Nations.

I suggest you take an hour and research the Taliban.....their practices, life in Afghanistan under their rule......it might be nice for you to understand exactly whom you are defending.

some of the restrictions imposed by Taliban in Afghanistan

Taliban Regime

Taliban Rule

Personally, I want the ****ers popped through and through and buried in shallow graves.

They are our enemies.

 

[Spade]

i seem to remember when these same Pashtun mujahideen (today's Taliban) were called freedom fighters and were supplied arms by the US an it allies through Pakistan. Click here for a refresher,.

 

[Colpy]

i seem to remember when these same Pashtun mujahideen (today's Taliban) were called freedom fighters and were supplied arms by the US an it allies through Pakistan. Click here for a refresher,.

Absolutely! Against the bigger evil, the USSR.........as well, it is a mistake to think the mujahadeen were in any way a united entity........there were factions within factions.....7 major ones.

The biggest mistake the USA made in the region was abandoning it after the defeat of the USSR.

 

[Cliffy]

The US was still sending money to the Taliban up until three months before invasion. In fact their representatives were in Washington during or just prior to 911, visiting the Bush administration. The main reason the US was POd was the Taliban banned poppy growing (the main resource the Yanks are interested in). They also want to build a pipeline through the country and the Taliban were asking too much. I'm afraid you read too much of the corporate media propaganda. I have been watching the situation for decades. I just look at the "facts" differently than you do and draw different conclusions.

I am not defending the Taliban, but I am condemning the US for being many times worse in their treatment of third world countries. Their foriegn policies and CIA intertference in duly elected governments have caused untold millions to die and suffer so the US can have cheep food and resources. You want to support that fasciast government, go ahead. I won't. Right now, the US is the biggest evil.

 

[scratch]

We are doing the wrong thing and should not be there.

 

[Colpy]

The US was still sending money to the Taliban up until three months before invasion. In fact their representatives were in Washington during or just prior to 911, visiting the Bush administration. The main reason the US was POd was the Taliban banned poppy growing (the main resource the Yanks are interested in). They also want to build a pipeline through the country and the Taliban were asking too much. I'm afraid you read too much of the corporate media propaganda. I have been watching the situation for decades. I just look at the "facts" differently than you do and draw different conclusions.

I am not defending the Taliban, but I am condemning the US for being many times worse in their treatment of third world countries. Their foriegn policies and CIA intertference in duly elected governments have caused untold millions to die and suffer so the US can have cheep food and resources. You want to support that fasciast government, go ahead. I won't. Right now, the US is the biggest evil.

Unfortunately, Cliffy, you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse.

Your reasons for American interference in Afghanistan are ludicrous.

First of all the Yanks wanted the cultivation of opium poppies to continue?????Are you nuts?

Perhaps you could explain why they are now insisting on the irradication of poppy farming.

Oh yeah. The pipeline. The Taliban were asking too much.

Uh-huh.

And it is cheaper running a pipeline through Afghanistan during a civil war......yep.

Ridiculous.

 

[darkbeaver]

Well then it will ALWAYS be a conspiracy for some folks then. That makes them happy I am sure.

ES, how You doing? A short study of conspiracy should indicate to you that it (conspiracy) is the norm, further it is proveable that no progress on the human level is possible without conspiracy, intercourse is not possible without it. I suggest a different approach for your opinions. One that takes into account the wider possibilities offered by greater objectivity.

 

[darkbeaver]

Absolutely! Against the bigger evil, the USSR.........as well, it is a mistake to think the mujahadeen were in any way a united entity........there were factions within factions.....7 major ones.

The biggest mistake the USA made in the region was abandoning it after the defeat of the USSR.

Only one mistake is apparent, imperial overreach.

 

[Cliffy]

Let's see, Before invasion there was no civil war. What, 6 years after invasion the poppy crop is ten times what it was before.

Ever heard of Ollie North or Air America? Nothing has changed. The US/CIA control the world drug trade to finance their dirty little wars, assassinate elected officials not "friendly" to US domination and control and finance brutal dictators who are. Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, Noriega, Taliban, Osama bin Laden (and countless others) - do any of these ring a bell? How come every boogieman in the last fifty years was created by US cash and then taken down?

Facts are easily overlooked if you turn a blind eye to what is going on.

 

[JLM]

You know nothing about Afghanistan and the Taliban, do you?

Afghanistan has resources to steal? I don't think so.

Karzai was elected.

We (meaning our closest allies) were ATTACKED by groups based in Afghanistan and supported by the Taliban gov't. Our attack on that nation was fully justified, and the subsequent mission there has the blessing of even the idiots running the United Nations.



I suggest you take an hour and research the Taliban.....their practices, life in Afghanistan under their rule......it might be nice for you to understand exactly whom you are defending.

some of the restrictions imposed by Taliban in Afghanistan

Taliban Regime

Taliban Rule

Personally, I want the ****ers popped through and through and buried in shallow graves.

They are our enemies.

"Afghanistan has resources to steal? I don't think so.
You bet they do, they have goats.

 

[Colpy]

Let's see, Before invasion there was no civil war. What, 6 years after invasion the poppy crop is ten times what it was before.

Ever heard of Ollie North or Air America? Nothing has changed. The US/CIA control the world drug trade to finance their dirty little wars, assassinate elected officials not "friendly" to US domination and control and finance brutal dictators who are. Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, Noriega, Taliban, Osama bin Laden (and countless others) - do any of these ring a bell? How come every boogieman in the last fifty years was created by US cash and then taken down?

Facts are easily overlooked if you turn a blind eye to what is going on.

Cliffy, Cliffy....

You never hear of the Northern Alliance???

Afghanistan has been at war without cease since 1979.

The poppy crop has increased.....I only wish the Americans wanted in (to make legal opiate drugs) and they would pay Afghan farmers to grow it, so they could garner increasing support.........

but the reason the cultivation has increased is that the current gov't is unwilling to use the same methods as the Taliban to eradicate it......

Name me one leader the CIA has assasinated since the Congress investigations into the coup in Chile, in which Allende was killed, and the attempts on Castro of Cuba. And the death of Allende was not a direct murder, the CIA simply supported Pinochet's boys, and yes, that was disgraceful. But still, name me one leader assasinated by the CIA in the last 30 years. Just one. Come on, I'm sure you can do it. Just one.

The USA supplied Iraq with a few millions of dollars of spare parts during the Iran-Iraq war, when the Iraqis were engaged in a life-or-death struggle with Iran. Germany supplied them with the means to make poison gas and chemical weapons. The French worked to help them gain nuclear capability. Both the Germans and the French sold them many times the value of supplies that came from the USA. The Russians and the Chinese supplied billions (that's BILLIONS with a "b") of dollars worth of weaponry.

Meanwhile the USA STOPPED shipments of chemicals to Iraq that could have been used for chemical weapons.

That the USA helped Saddam during that war is true, in a very minor way, but the accusation taken out of context is extremely misleading.

The USA behaved relatively responsibly towards Iraq in that conflict.

etc.

You should read a little more, outside of net conspiracy theorists.

 

[Tyr]

Name me one leader the CIA has assasinated since the Congress investigations into the coup in Chile, in which Allende was killed, and the attempts on Castro of Cuba. And the death of Allende was not a direct murder, the CIA simply supported Pinochet's boys, and yes, that was disgraceful. But still, name me one leader assasinated by the CIA in the last 30 years. Just one. Come on, I'm sure you can do it. Just one

Here's two

Imad Fayez Mughniyah was a senior member of the Hezbollah organization.

The first elected Burundian president, Melchior Ndadaye,

..but that's not the issue. The fact that they go around assasinating anybody speaks volumes of their leaders and how paranoid they are

 

[Colpy]

Name me one leader the CIA has assasinated since the Congress investigations into the coup in Chile, in which Allende was killed, and the attempts on Castro of Cuba. And the death of Allende was not a direct murder, the CIA simply supported Pinochet's boys, and yes, that was disgraceful. But still, name me one leader assasinated by the CIA in the last 30 years. Just one. Come on, I'm sure you can do it. Just one

Here's two

Imad Fayez Mughniyah was a senior member of the Hezbollah organization.

The first elected Burundian president, Melchior Ndadaye,

..but that's not the issue. The fact that they go around assasinating anybody speaks volumes of their leaders and how paranoid they are

Imad Fayez Mughniyah was a TERRORIST, a leader of Hezbollah, the genocidal terror organization backed by Iran ans Syria. It was probably the Israelis that nailed his sorry ass, but if it was the USA, I have three words for them......Congratulations, thank you. Not a political leader.

There is absolutely nothing to link the murder of Melchior Ndadaye to the CIA. Nothing. He was killed by soldiers in a coup. The USA had nothing to gain. This accusation is just silly.

No points.

Paranoid?

It ain't paranoia when they really are out to get you.....or did you miss 9-11, the USS Cole, the three African embassy bombings, the first WTC bombing etc, etc, etc.,

 

[Tyr]

..but that's not the issue. The fact that they go around assasinating anybody speaks volumes of their leaders and how paranoid they are

Imad Fayez Mughniyah was a TERRORIST, a leader of Hezbollah,


You asked for a "leader" Mughniyah was a leader until he was assasinated by the CIA

Now if anybody would have say "assasinate" the myopic Jerry Falwell in the prime of his lunatic rantings, would that have counted? He was a leader of the delusional after all

Paranoia.... Dubya had a post doctoral degree in paranoia. The USA is rife with it. Anytime they feel that someone doesn't agree with their view of the world, they go out and declare war and start murdering cibvilians based on some trumped up charge (remember WMD or maybe Grenada). Maybe paranoia has somehow managed to "creep" into the Maritimes?

 

[Tyr]

Petros

"I haven't the patience to spoon feed the conspiracy theorists"

Odd how 36% of Americans believe that the American gov't was either complicite or actively involved in 9/11.

That is just whacked and speaks volumes about their extremely agitated stae of mental being