What are we doing in Afghanistan?

[Colpy]

..but that's not the issue. The fact that they go around assasinating anybody speaks volumes of their leaders and how paranoid they are

Imad Fayez Mughniyah was a TERRORIST, a leader of Hezbollah,


You asked for a "leader" Mughniyah was a leader until he was assasinated by the CIA

Now if anybody would have say "assasinate" the myopic Jerry Falwell in the prime of his lunatic rantings, would that have counted? He was a leader of the delusional after all

Paranoia.... Dubya had a post doctoral degree in paranoia. The USA is rife with it. Anytime they feel that someone doesn't agree with their view of the world, they go out and declare war and start murdering civilians based on some trumped up charge (remember WMD or maybe Grenada). Maybe paranoia has somehow managed to "creep" into the Maritimes?

Oh, gimme a break.

GOOD if they killed the SOB, he and Himmler will made a nice couple in Hell. Geezus man, this guy was the worst kind of international criminal! AND it was probably the Mossad that did him..........

BTW, the conventional wisdom prior to the invasion of Iraq was that they had WMDs and they were undermining UN attempts to find them. Saddam USED chemical weapons extensively in the Iran-Iraq war, even against his own Kurdish people.

I'm glad they got that SOB.

Death to Tyrants.

Yep, I live in NB.

You live in Never-never land

 

[Zzarchov]

Thats your criteria for assasination? Leaders of enemy combat groups?


The USA has skeletons in its closet, but if you wanna really throw stones. Look into some other nations for comparison.

Im all for shining the light on American (or anyones) crimes.

What bugs me is how you try and minimize and cover up the crimes of others. Why the fascination for apologizing for war criminals and sociopaths to shine the light on America only.

And its not like "two criminals, I'll highlight the Americans", take Iraq.

They sold "dual use" items to Iraq. ACTUAL WEAPONS with over a thousand times the value were sent by other countries. But you apologize and cover up their actions.

Why?

 

[Tyr]

GOOD if they killed the SOB, he and Himmler will made a nice couple in Hell. Geezus man, this guy was the worst kind of international criminal! AND it was probably the Mossad that did him..........

you are talking about Falwell right...?

the conventional wisdom prior to the invasion of Iraq was that they had WMDs and they were undermining UN attempts to find them

I think you can change that to the Bush party line and the UN found NOTHING because nothing was there, even the Republican sycophants admit to that. Still the illegal war goes on and the Americans are found to a standstill by a bunch of starving peasnats in sandals. Imageine if they had to take on a really war... say Iran... they'd get their heads handed to them

 

[Colpy]

GOOD if they killed the SOB, he and Himmler will made a nice couple in Hell. Geezus man, this guy was the worst kind of international criminal! AND it was probably the Mossad that did him..........

you are talking about Falwell right...?


the conventional wisdom prior to the invasion of Iraq was that they had WMDs and they were undermining UN attempts to find them

I think you can change that to the Bush party line and the UN found NOTHING because nothing was there, even the Republican sycophants admit to that. Still the illegal war goes on and the Americans are found to a standstill by a bunch of starving peasnats in sandals. Imageine if they had to take on a really war... say Iran... they'd get their heads handed to them

My you are living in Never-never land!

The Americans have taken slightly over 4000 dead in 5 years!!!! A tragedy, yes, but a war lost?????? Give me a break! In Vietnam, they lost over 50,000 in 5 years.
Canada lost 66,000 in 4 years in WWI, when our population was 8 million.

They have not lost, Iraq is slowly becoming stabilized (thanks to McCain's surge)

The US has just agreed with the elected gov't of Iraq to gradually withdraw, having WON!

In 20 years, hopefully, they will be much better off than they were in 2002.

Funny, I never noticed Jerry Falwell promising to wipe out all the Jews on earth.....as Hezbollah has done. Nor, I believe, has Falwell ever bombed a Jewish community centre in Argentina, killing dozens.......as Hezbollah has done........

 

[Tyr]

The Americans have taken slightly over 4000 dead in 5 years!!!!

And you somehow equate that with bein...ok?

Give me a break! In Vietnam, they lost over 50,000 in 5 years.

That's ok too?

Canada has lost over 100 KIA for absolutely no gain.

They have not lost, Iraq is slowly becoming stabilized (thanks to McCain's surge)

McCain had nothing to do with the "surge" and it had a massive civilian death toll attached to it. Good strategy

The US has just agreed with the elected gov't of Iraq to gradually withdraw, having WON!


They are by no means withdrawing and they have never said they wiould. That was one of the points in the Obama/MCCain. Obama wanted a timetable, McCain refused to give one.

I guess rising casualties means they won? Do you even watch the news or read a newspaper?

 

[Tyr]

Funny, I never noticed Jerry Falwell promising to wipe out all the Jews on earth.....

You're right, that was Anne Coulter. My apologies

 

[scratch]

It's all a lie.

 

[Colpy]

The Americans have taken slightly over 4000 dead in 5 years!!!!

And you somehow equate that with bein...ok?

Give me a break! In Vietnam, they lost over 50,000 in 5 years.

That's ok too?

Canada has lost over 100 KIA for absolutely no gain.

They have not lost, Iraq is slowly becoming stabilized (thanks to McCain's surge)

McCain had nothing to do with the "surge" and it had a massive civilian death toll attached to it. Good strategy

The US has just agreed with the elected gov't of Iraq to gradually withdraw, having WON!


They are by no means withdrawing and they have never said they wiould. That was one of the points in the Obama/MCCain. Obama wanted a timetable, McCain refused to give one.

I guess rising casualties means they won? Do you even watch the news or read a newspaper?

I'm really starting to lose patience with you.

Every fact you state is once again......incorrect. Are you just pretending to be this stupid to irritate me? Hard to believe you can know so little about so much.....

4,000 dead over 5 years at 120,000 troops is not major losses.....considerably less than 1 % per year........certainly not enough to say anyone has "lost".

The 59,000 total killed in Vietnam was meant as a comparison......and the US did not lose militarily there, they forced the NVA into a treaty, withdrew in accordance with that treaty, and the NVA broke it.......the US did not re-enter the war.

We lost 100 dead.....we killed a lot more Taliban.....we've kept the terrorist training camps from re-forming. We've paid our dues and fulfilled our responsibilities under mutual defense pacts. NOT for nothing.

The USA and the Iraq gov't agreed to a withdrawal timetable last week. Try to keep up.

McCain was the guy that was the main supporter of the surge in Congress.....he is generally credited for getting it through....

US casualties in Iraq have fallen since the surge, as have Iraqi civilian casualties.

CAN YOU READ?????

BTW, who sent us to Kandahar????????????????

 

[scratch]

Cliffy, Cliffy....

You never hear of the Northern Alliance???

Afghanistan has been at war without cease since 1979.

The poppy crop has increased.....I only wish the Americans wanted in (to make legal opiate drugs) and they would pay Afghan farmers to grow it, so they could garner increasing support.........

but the reason the cultivation has increased is that the current gov't is unwilling to use the same methods as the Taliban to eradicate it......

Name me one leader the CIA has assasinated since the Congress investigations into the coup in Chile, in which Allende was killed, and the attempts on Castro of Cuba. And the death of Allende was not a direct murder, the CIA simply supported Pinochet's boys, and yes, that was disgraceful. But still, name me one leader assasinated by the CIA in the last 30 years. Just one. Come on, I'm sure you can do it. Just one.

The USA supplied Iraq with a few millions of dollars of spare parts during the Iran-Iraq war, when the Iraqis were engaged in a life-or-death struggle with Iran. Germany supplied them with the means to make poison gas and chemical weapons. The French worked to help them gain nuclear capability. Both the Germans and the French sold them many times the value of supplies that came from the USA. The Russians and the Chinese supplied billions (that's BILLIONS with a "b") of dollars worth of weaponry.

Meanwhile the USA STOPPED shipments of chemicals to Iraq that could have been used for chemical weapons.

That the USA helped Saddam during that war is true, in a very minor way, but the accusation taken out of context is extremely misleading.

The USA behaved relatively responsibly towards Iraq in that conflict.

etc.

You should read a little more, outside of net conspiracy theorists.

Right......

 

[Tyr]

That's ok Colby. Trying to put forward a losing argument can get guys of your age frustrated. Go back and study a little more (maybe alot) and do try and do your research before you put your little fingers onto the keyboard

Do you still have the autographed poster of Dubya?

 

[scratch]

You are both out of order.

 

[Colpy]

That's ok Colby. Trying to put forward a losing argument can get guys of your age frustrated. Go back and study a little more (maybe alot) and do try and do your research before you put your little fingers onto the keyboard

Do you still have the autographed poster of Dubya?

Damn.

You haven't got one thing right yet.

First of all, its COLPY, not COLBY.

I'm not losing the argument, you would have to have made at least one correct statement of fact for that to happen. I'm frustrated because dealing with arrogant Liberal morons like yourself is somewhat akin to trying to nail jello to a tree.

Oh, I have studied. And read...........unlike yourself. Like to compare CVs????????

I'm no fan of George W......I just don't think he is the devil incarnate. I am glad he will be gone in 53 days.

Still trying.....sooner or later you will get something right, I'm sure.

 

[Tyr]

Like to compare CVs????????

Not a problem. MBA - Project Management, 24 yrs in the Defence and Aerospace Industry (Canada,USA and Europe)

 

[Just the Facts]

I think you can change that to the Bush party line and the UN found NOTHING because nothing was there, even the Republican sycophants admit to that. Still the illegal war goes on and the Americans are found to a standstill by a bunch of starving peasnats in sandals. Imageine if they had to take on a really war... say Iran... they'd get their heads handed to them

The WMD's are in Syria, everyone knows that. If Saddam was smarter he'd be in Syria too.

Iran? :laughing8:

Iran and Iraq fought to a stalemate over what, eight years? The U.S. decimated the Iraqi army in what, three weeks?

The peasants in sandals are killing exponentially more Iraqi's than Americans. Sad really.

 

[Tyr]

I even voted Reform in '97 until they were outed as bible totin', gun slingin' fringe lunatics

 

[scratch]

What are we doing.....nothing other than getting killed by friendly fire....

 

[Colpy]

Like to compare CVs????????

Not a problem. MBA - Project Management, 24 yrs in the Defence and Aerospace Industry (Canada,USA and Europe)

MBA....well, that explains it all.

BA with Distinction Major in History, minor in Poly Sci, GPA of 4.1
Bachelor of Education

Paid for part of my university writing essays for future MBAs that didn't know their arse from their elbow.

 

[scratch]

BA....I have another definition/interpretation.....

 

[Tyr]

The U.S. decimated the Iraqi army in what, three weeks?

What army? There was no army to speak of after the sanctions. They push aside a few goatherders and declared a great victory....and they're still there Five and a half yrs later being fought to a standstill be a bunch of kids in sandals.

4,119 dead as of July 15th 2008. As of March 2008 there were 8,914 wounded requiring medical air transport. 20,416 wounded did not require medical air transport. Of all the wounded 13,109 were unable to return to duty within 72 hours. Medical air transport was required for an additional 8,273 for non-hostile injuries, and for 23,052 for diseases or other medical conditions

Iraqui deaths up to August 2008 have exceeded 1,000,000

I guess it must be just "a policing action"

 

[scratch]

Just like Korea and Vietnam.