Why Are So Many Christians So Un-Christian?

Motar

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The problem these days is that Christians are being too Christian. We have Islam coming in to take us over, and the Christians are letting them in with open arms. Neville Chamberlain would be proud.

Christians have been awarded authority over immigration, Glacier?
 

Twila

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All of the fallen human logic we can muster won't get us to the understanding we receive by grace through faith in Christ, Twila.

how can faith in christ bring you understanding when your human logic (brain) can't muster you to understand to begin with?

what you've said is basically "you may not be smart enough to understand something so don't keep trying. Just give up and you will some how magically know it because you have faith in christ. It's circular and doesn't work because either you are smart enough to understand or you are not. You can't be both because you wouldn't have been dumb to begin with.

So this basically advocates for humans to stop trying to understand what is going on in the world, with themselves and around them and to just accept it. First of, humans can't do that. If we could we would not have invented so many gods to explain that which we didn't understand. 2. to advocate for people to not try, is to tell them to accept their lot and that makes for a caste system which we know if basically a form of slavery. Which we know, as humans and not because of the bible, which advocates slavery, is morally repugnant.

Not some references, MHz.

Along with God's mercy and grace, the whole counsel of Scripture and the person of Jesus Christ embody the righteousness and justice of God. We cannot simply discard these aspects of God's character because they are inconvenient, uncomfortable or both.

Clearly christians have done just such things, otherwise all of the OT would be in play still and you wouldn't be wearing mixed fabrics, eating shell fish, getting divorced and remarried, women wouldn't be speaking in churches, working on saturday, you'd keep slaves, etc.

Mixed feelings on that one but have to see both sides.Not all Christians proseletize

Proselytization is the seeking of converts, and it is something Christians are ommanded to do (Matthew 28:18–20).

It would seem to be a true christian, one must follow the rules as laid out by their god in the bible, yes?
 

Ludlow

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how can faith in christ bring you understanding when your human logic (brain) can't muster you to understand to begin with?

what you've said is basically "you may not be smart enough to understand something so don't keep trying. Just give up and you will some how magically know it because you have faith in christ. It's circular and doesn't work because either you are smart enough to understand or you are not. You can't be both because you wouldn't have been dumb to begin with.

So this basically advocates for humans to stop trying to understand what is going on in the world, with themselves and around them and to just accept it. First of, humans can't do that. If we could we would not have invented so many gods to explain that which we didn't understand. 2. to advocate for people to not try, is to tell them to accept their lot and that makes for a caste system which we know if basically a form of slavery. Which we know, as humans and not because of the bible, which advocates slavery, is morally repugnant.



Clearly christians have done just such things, otherwise all of the OT would be in play still and you wouldn't be wearing mixed fabrics, eating shell fish, getting divorced and remarried, women wouldn't be speaking in churches, working on saturday, you'd keep slaves, etc.



Proselytization is the seeking of converts, and it is something Christians are ommanded to do (Matthew 28:18–20).

It would seem to be a true christian, one must follow the rules as laid out by their god in the bible, yes?
I'm sorry Twila. But I do understand who Jesus, being a Jew himself, was talking to. I tend to percieve things relative to this topic, in a cultural context.

Contrary to popular opinion, Jesus was not Christian. Ill leave it at that

I would add just one thing. Maybe it's better to read all of the writings instead of a few select verses. My advise to anyone with an interest is to read and figure things out on your own.
 

Danbones

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the original cross is/was a measuring instrument
for navigation,building, and surveying/mapping
thats why we CROSS an ocean
The Working Celtic Cross

there are three axis when moving through 3D space (THE TRINITY? heh)
pitch still on course
Roll still on course
YAW OFF COURSE!!!
YAhWAY????

who the hell names a GOD WRONGWAY????

BTW
thats JESUS CHRIST or RICH JEST US for you anagramas out there

JC is a GOLLUM
like corporations
like ISIS

how can faith in christ bring you understanding when your human logic (brain) can't muster you to understand to begin with?

what you've said is basically "you may not be smart enough to understand something so don't keep trying. Just give up and you will some how magically know it because you have faith in christ. It's circular and doesn't work because either you are smart enough to understand or you are not. You can't be both because you wouldn't have been dumb to begin with.

So this basically advocates for humans to stop trying to understand what is going on in the world, with themselves and around them and to just accept it. First of, humans can't do that. If we could we would not have invented so many gods to explain that which we didn't understand. 2. to advocate for people to not try, is to tell them to accept their lot and that makes for a caste system which we know if basically a form of slavery. Which we know, as humans and not because of the bible, which advocates slavery, is morally repugnant.

Clearly christians have done just such things, otherwise all of the OT would be in play still...

It would seem to be a true christian, one must follow the rules as laid out by their god in the bible, yes?
lol good point(s)
Also didn't the pope just say gay is OK and aborting is sporting
global warming is harming...
and we need world government or some such like that that
( thats NWO - the NAZIS for all you athiests out there )

thank poon the vatican record player is NOT still stuck on the sun going round the earth
 

MHz

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We have Islam coming in to take us over, and the Christians are letting them in with open arms.
Christians made their homeland a hellhole and most citizens are opting to return home as more than 1M already have so the immigrants are the rebels soldiers that now need a home. Reaping what we have sewn, for better or for worse.

the original cross is/was a measuring instrument
for navigation,building, and surveying/mapping
thats why we CROSS an ocean
The Working Celtic Cross

there are three axis when moving through 3D space (THE TRINITY? heh)
pitch still on course
Roll still on course
YAW OFF COURSE!!!
YAhWAY????

who the hell names a GOD WRONGWAY????
It looks like it should say 'You are a way off course' because that is what you are when mentioning God.

Not some references, MHz.

Along with God's mercy and grace, the whole counsel of Scripture and the person of Jesus Christ embody the righteousness and justice of God. We cannot simply discard these aspects of God's character because they are inconvenient, uncomfortable or both.
I'll take that as a 'No.' as far as references go.
 

darkbeaver

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What constitutes being a Christian and what disqualifies them from being a Christian? Sometimes on weekends when taking my walk I get accosted by one judgmental pr*ck , who I am sure thinks he is a Christian. I would argue that Christians aren't loud and obnoxious and more or less mind their own business.

I am a real christian these others are imposters, posers, idolators and meat worshippers.




Because most poor people in the West today are poor through their own fecklessness and laziness.

There could be something wrong with the western education establishment.
 

Twila

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There could be something wrong with the western education establishment.

that and marketing. People are convinced they need to have all the stuff they can't afford to keep up appearances. Personal debt is through the roof.
 

darkbeaver

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The laws, unfortunately, make sense. It's a food handling and safety issue. Not to mention there've been enough freaks out there willing to poison wildlife and other people's pets they find annoying. It's not a big step from there to giving poisoned food to people who are "annoying".
On the other hand, church and soup kitchens don't have an infinite supply food to feed everyone everyday.


I was going to make a crack about the right-wing Christian fundamentalists being confused Hebrews but in this case it wouldn't make sense. OT laws stipulated that farmers were not to harvest the corners of their fields, leaving them to the poor so that the poor could eat while still maintaining some measure of dignity by working for it and not having to beg for food.

You consider the law unfortunate because it makers sense?
 

Motar

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Christians don't have authority over anything, but they are more left-wing than the general public on certain topics like immigration.

"Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness." (Matthew 10:1 NIV)

"I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you." (Luke 10:19 NIV)

"To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations..." (Revelation 2:26 NIV)

I'll take that as a 'No.' as far as references go.

My references are the whole counsel of Scripture and the living Christ, MHz.
 

JLM

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Cuz they ain't f**king Christians...........Christians don't a make a nuisance of themselves by putting pressure on people, Christians don't set standards for others to adhere to and Christians don't stick their f**king noses into other people's business and Christians don't gossip! That should take care of a few of them! (Non Christians that is) :)
 

petros

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Cuz they ain't f**king Christians...........Christians don't a make a nuisance of themselves by putting pressure on people, Christians don't set standards for others to adhere to and Christians don't stick their f**king noses into other people's business and Christians don't gossip! That should take care of a few of them! (Non Christians that is) :)

Born Again cult sure does.