Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza

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Back on subject, this thread is about how Israel treats Palestinians. I believe that Palestinians are human beings and therefore should have the same rights and freedoms as other human beings. .

If only the Palestinians thought the same way about the people of Israel.
 

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If one of the parents is not Jewish, the rule is that the child takes the status of the mother.

My uncle who is into genealogy recently discovered that my maternal grandmother's grandmother came from a Jewish family that fled Russia to Poland and converted to Catholic to avoid antisemitism. I share the same X chromosome with people who claim that God gave them the right to go to Palestine and toss non-Jewish families onto the street and take their homes. But I was raised Catholic and became agnostic. Interpret that as you wish.

Back on subject, this thread is about how Israel treats Palestinians. I believe that Palestinians are human beings and therefore should have the same rights and freedoms as other human beings. The main rebuttal here seems to be that my belief in universal fundamental human rights makes me antisemitic and a racist.

I can prove that I am descended from Semites. Can you? Want to lay a wager.
 

earth_as_one

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If only the Palestinians thought the same way about the people of Israel.
Does it really surprise you that 60+ years of oppression and injustice tends to make people bitter towards those they believe are responsible?

Why stop there? What about Pangaea? It's as relevant...
If you are saying we are all one people, then I agree with you. I see no significant difference between one group of people and another.

If you accept this as true, then how is it possible to support one group of people having the right to dispossess another group of people of their property based on religion?
 

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Does it really surprise you that 60+ years of oppression and injustice tends to make people bitter towards those they believe are responsible?

If you are saying we are all one people, then I agree with you. I see no significant difference between one group of people and another.

If you accept this as true, then how is it possible to support one group of people having the right to dispossess another group of people of their property based on religion?

Are you familiar with the term "Passin" in the US context.
 

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If you accept this as true, then how is it possible to support one group of people having the right to dispossess another group of people of their property based on religion?

I trust you can come up with a supporting link and be completely honest about that? Otherwise you'd be breaking a Forum Rule
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BTW.... Pangaea is an original Earth landmass from which traces of life come in fossil form
 
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Does it really surprise you that 60+ years of oppression and injustice tends to make people bitter towards those they believe are responsible?

If you are saying we are all one people, then I agree with you. I see no significant difference between one group of people and another.

Again you walk the plank- Jews are not -

If you accept this as true, then how is it possible to support one group of people having the right to dispossess another group of people of their property based on religion?[/QUOTE]

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earth_as_one

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I trust you can come up with a supporting link and be completely honest about that? Otherwise you'd be breaking a Forum Rule
Again?

Background on East Jerusalem
Since East Jerusalem was annexed in 1967, the government of Israel's primary goal in Jerusalem has been to create a demographic and geographic situation that will thwart any future attempt to challenge Israeli sovereignty over the city. To achieve this goal, the government has been taking actions to increase the number of Jews, and reduce the number of Palestinians, living in the city. (eao: aka ethnic cleansing)

In 2010, the population of Jerusalem stood at 788,052: 504,179 Jews and others (63.9 percent) and 283,873 Palestinians (36 percent). About 59.6% percent of the residents live on land that was annexed in 1967 (39.3 percent of whom are Jews, and 60.7 percent Palestinians). With the Palestinians having a higher growth rate than the Jews, Israel has used various methods to achieve its goal:

Physically isolating East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank, in part by building the separation barrier;
Discriminating in land expropriation, planning, and building, and demolition of houses;
Revoking residency and social benefits of Palestinians who stay abroad for at least seven years, or who are unable to prove that their center of life is in Jerusalem;
Unfairly dividing the budget between the two parts of the city, with harmful effects on infrastructure and services in East Jerusalem.

Israel's policy gravely infringes the rights of residents of East Jerusalem and flagrantly breaches international law.

East Jerusalem is occupied territory. Therefore, it is subject, as is the rest of the West Bank, to the provisions of international humanitarian law that relate to occupied territory. The annexation of East Jerusalem breaches international law, which prohibits unilateral annexation. For this reason, the international community, including the United States, does not recognize the annexation of East Jerusalem.

Background on East Jerusalem | B'Tselem

B'tselem is an Israeli Human Rights Organization:
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Israel's expansion of settlements in East Jerusalem and eviction of Palestinians from their homes there is a form of ethnic cleansing, a United Nations investigator said on Monday. United States academic Richard Falk was speaking to the UN Human Rights Council as it prepared to pass resolutions condemning settlement building in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The "continued pattern of settlement expansion in East Jerusalem combined with the forcible eviction of long-residing Palestinians are creating an intolerable situation" in the part of the city previously controlled by Jordan, he said.This situation "can only be described in its cumulative impact as a form of ethnic cleansing," Falk declared...
UN investigator: Israel engaged in ethnic cleansing with settlement expansion - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Haaretz is an Israeli national news source.

How about a video of a forcible eviction of an Arab family from their home?
Israel keeps up Palestinian evictions 04 Nov 09 - YouTube

13 April 2010
In recent days a new Israeli military order was revealed which would give the occupying forces unprecedented power to detain, imprison and deport Palestinians in the West Bank that are deemed to be “infiltrating” the Occupied Territory.

This order threatens the deportation of tens of thousands of Palestinians by the occupying Power from the West Bank under the pretext that they are “residing illegally” in the Occupied Territory. The order especially targets Palestinians bearing Gaza Strip identifications who live in the West Bank as well as Palestinian Jerusalemites. It also targets the hundreds of Palestinian expatriates now engaged in the State and institutional-building effort as well as international citizens living in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, whether they are married to Palestinian civilians or are working on development, humanitarian aid and other projects.

It is estimated that this illegal and outrageous order will directly affect up to 70,000 Palestinians, threatening to divide thousands of Palestinian families. This measure further proves beyond a doubt Israel’s intention and determination to escalate its ethnic cleansing policy against the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, especially in East Jerusalem, a policy that has been continuously pursued by various means and measures since the occupation began in 1967. In this regard, it is clear that this most recent Israeli military order is aimed at impairing the demographic and geographic presence and contiguity of the Palestinian people in their homeland as a pre-emptive measure that would annul any and all efforts to realize the two-State solution.

It must be noted that by adopting this military order, Israel, the occupying Power, is also negating previously signed agreements with the Palestine Liberation Organization, which clearly state that it is the sole responsibility and right of the Palestinian Authority to decide who can live in territory under its control.
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You asked for a link to support my claim that in Israel one group of people having the right to dispossess another group of people of their property based on religion? I provided four.

In the video, you can witness for yourself an Arab family being made homeless and a Jewish family taking their home. It never works the other way around in Israel and the occupied territories. Over time, entire neighborhoods in Jerusalem which used to be predominantly Arab, become predominately Jewish and then exclusively Jewish. IN the West bank, Jewish only colonies take over Arab farms, community pastures and parks. Land in the West Bank goes from being used by Arabs, to off limits to Arabs, to a Jewish only colony. Arab homes are demolished, Jewish only neighborhoods are created and up go homes only for Jews.

Every day the land accessible to non-Jews shrink as the land for Jews only increases. As the accessible to Arab areas shrink, become surrounded by walls and check points, families become separated and people loose the means to earn a living. These injustices will be Israel's undoing:

Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights
 

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You asked for a link to support my claim that in Israel one group of people having the right to dispossess another group of people of their property based on religion? I provided four.

If you are saying we are all one people, then I agree with you. I see no significant difference between one group of people and another.

If you accept this as true, then how is it possible to support one group of people having the right to dispossess another group of people of their property based on religion?

I asked for a link where I have posted anything of support for...
people having the right to dispossess another group of people of their property based on religion?
...as per your two-part mixmaster style of query. If it was not your intent to be accusing in the tone of your easily misunderstood question, perhaps you should work more on your methods than worry of what terseness in response your questions tend to generate.
 

earth_as_one

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Housing rights – forced eviction

The Israeli authorities generally withheld construction permits from Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem and Area C of the West Bank, where Israel retains full authority for planning and zoning, impeding their right to adequate housing. The Israeli authorities intensified their demolition of Palestinian homes and other facilities in the West Bank that had been built without permits, demolishing more than 620 structures during 2011. Almost 1,100 Palestinians were displaced as a result, an 80 per cent increase over 2010; more than 4,200 others were affected by demolitions of 170 animal shelters and 46 cisterns. Vulnerable Bedouin and herding communities were particularly affected, with some at risk of permanent displacement due to severe restrictions on their movement, repeated demolitions and violence by settlers.

  • In June, Israeli forces carried out repeated demolitions in Hadidiya, a herding community in the northern Jordan Valley, destroying 33 structures and making several families homeless. An appeal to the High Court of Justice resulted in a temporary injunction against further demolition orders that were issued in November.

The authorities also intensified demolitions of Palestinian homes inside Israel, particularly in officially “unrecognized” villages, where all construction is banned. In September, the cabinet approved plans to regulate “illegal” Bedouin construction in the southern Negev region; if implemented, these could lead to the forced eviction of thousands of Palestinian citizens of Israel.


  • Shacks and other structures in al-‘Araqib, an “unrecognized” village in the Negev, were demolished at least 20 times in 2011, following other demolitions in 2010. In July, the Israeli authorities brought a legal claim against the village residents seeking 1.8 million NIS (approximately US$500,000) to meet the costs of the repeated demolitions and evictions.

Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

eao: Since the Israeli government generally doesn't issue Arabs building permits in Jerusalem and demolishes their homes, while providing fewer and fewer services, these people are being squeezed out of Jerusalem. This discrimination is religious based because if they were Jewish, they would not face these restrictions. Jews in Jerusalem generally can get building permits. The objective is to make Jerusalem a Jewish majority city. If this was fair, getting building permit shouldn't have anything to do with religion. Since the intent is to shift the Jerusalem's demographic from being an Arab majority to a Jewish majority by increasing the number of Jews living in Jerusalem, while making life difficult to impossible for Arabs until they move elsewhere, this is a bureaucratic form of ethnic cleansing.

AI's 2012 Report:

Summary
The Israeli authorities continued to blockade the Gaza Strip, prolonging the humanitarian crisis there, and to restrict the movement of Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT). In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, the authorities continued to construct the fence/wall, much of it on Palestinian land, and to expand settlements, breaching international law. They demolished Palestinian homes and other facilities in the West Bank, and homes of Palestinian citizens inside Israel, especially in “unrecognized” villages in the Negev. The Israeli army frequently used excessive, sometimes lethal force against demonstrators in the West Bank and civilians in border areas within the Gaza Strip. Israeli military forces killed 55 civilians in the OPT, including 11 children. Settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank increased, and three Palestinians were killed by Israeli settlers. Israeli settlers and soldiers accused of committing abuses against Palestinians generally escaped accountability. The authorities failed to conduct independent investigations into alleged war crimes by Israeli forces during Operation “Cast Lead” in 2008-2009. The Israeli authorities arrested thousands of West Bank Palestinians. More than 307 were administrative detainees held without charge or trial; others received prison terms following military trials. Israel held more than 4,200 Palestinian prisoners at the end of 2011. Reports of torture and other ill-treatment of detainees continued.

Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights
 
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Were you equally enraged about all the Jewish homes demolished in Gaza in 2005? What about Hamas demolishing homes, is that a crime against humanity too?
 

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Does it really surprise you that 60+ years of oppression and injustice tends to make people bitter towards those they believe are responsible?

60+ years? Do you think they were all loving with each other in 1948?

At least you admit to the Palestinians being a hateful racist group. That is why the Jewish people will never submit.
 

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Were you equally enraged about all the Jewish homes demolished in Gaza in 2005? What about Hamas demolishing homes, is that a crime against humanity too?
The IDF demolished jewish homes that weren't suppose to where they were in the first place because it was illegal?