Fed up with Religions Yet?

[Locutus]

How would a forum work if we/me were just to shut the hell up and move on. I'm trying to visualize a thread of such composition, trying to gauge the depths of it's stale grey culturally correct compliance. No it just wouldn't be fun. I'm sorry to be disagreeable about this mad plan of yours. Friction makes heat, heat warms up the conversation, I've never seen anyone stabbed here before and I don't expect to.

Ahhh ya religion, well I haven't a clue how to fix it.

I was talking about the real world, not forum or other internet antics. Whether it be person to person, person to group, TV to the masses, celeb to fans and such. And certainly not directed toward you or anyone here.

I think there is no better test of a truly open mind than to allow another person their beliefs. I have no moral or intellectual authority to dismiss anyone's traditions, measure of strength or faith. How vain and arrogant it is for me to even think that. I usually fail at this in front of others or when acting an ass in a group setting. Putting others down is easy...putting up with others can be a real challenge for me at times. Alone, is another matter. There is no audience for me to try and demonstrate my 'unique insight' and ability to besmirch and denounce a movement, religion or other such faith-based institution.

I know very little to kick off with. And I'm often wrong. Same with most folk I suspect.

For those that like to lecture others as to how insane they are, ridiculous they sound or appear because of a religion or spiritual following I simply classify them as utterly intolerant and unkind. Whether they be IRL or on places like we have here.

 

[DaSleeper]

While much good is done in the name of religion......with their charities.....but, much harm has been done in the past....the crusades....the witch burnings...etc... and lately .. a lot of harm in the middle east with even infighting with different sects of the same religion, which some people think should get a pass since other religions have done it in the past.
What gets to me is the usual suspects that say nothing of a Happy Halloween greeting, but are all over a Merry Christmas or Happy Easter:roll:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

"THEY" is the key word here. God hasn't done it. The "people" or "adherents" have done it.

God doesn't do anything as far as I can tell. The people have done it in the name of their religion, with the support of its acknowledged leaders and spokesmen, believing they are guided by the divine will. And the presumption that they know what the divine will is, is part of the problem.

When those religious beliefs and tenets are bastardized and perverted by the followers then, yes, it is separate.

And how can anyone tell when that's happened? We've had a quite a variety of posters here identifying themselves as Christian over the years and they can't even agree among themselves what the beliefs and tenets are, and they've accused each other of bastardizing and perverting them. By that logic you can excuse any and all of the historical sins and excesses laid at the door of any church and blame them on the people inside, but I don't see how it's possible to judge a religion, or any other belief system, except by the behaviour of its adherents.

The problem here is, you don't believe, period. Therefore it is impossible for you to understand.

It's not a problem for me, and your conclusion doesn't follow. Not accepting a claim as true doesn't necessarily mean I can't understand it, and belief in this context really means there's no need to understand it anyway, but I seem to be so constituted as to be unable to accept a claim without good evidence or explanation. I was a believer at one point, there was a time in my life when I'd have agreed with most of what you've posted here at CC on the subject, but the more I tried to understand it all the less likely to be true any of it seemed to be. I finally gave it up after several decades of trying, because it didn't make sense to me. There were too many claims and answers that I couldn't reconcile either with each other or with other things I knew about the world, and far too many questions I was told I shouldn't even be asking. Telling me it's just a mystery I have to accept is the worst possible answer to give me.

Here's a simple example of the kind of thing that so troubled me. We all know that believers pray for the ill and injured, for the remission of cancers and the healing of wounds and so on and when people get better, as they often do, some of the credit goes to the prayers. But nobody prays that a severed limb regrow, there's no point in even asking because everybody knows it's never been observed to happen and it's not going to happen this time either. Why is that? Is that an injury god cannot heal? That's not consistent with the characteristics usually ascribed to him. Is it an injury he just won't heal for inscrutable reasons of his own? That doesn't explain anything, it just avoids an explanation, and it's not consistent with scriptural claims about prayers being answered. There's no answer that makes sense to me except rejecting the premise that there's a supernatural being that has some interest in us. For me, the evidence and explanations offered in support of the premise are insufficient to justify accepting it as true. I've been told a lot of things about that, notably that god, again for inscrutable reasons of his own, has not yet seen fit to remove the scales from my eyes but he does have some purpose in mind for me. I see no reason to believe that either.

 

[CDNBear]

I'll trim the pointlessness to keep things short:

Thank you. Your pointless long winded posts are annoying.

#1 - What fabrication are you even talking about?

The one Karrie and I both noted. I even quoted it.

It's pretty easy to copy and paste what I said to show specifically what you're pointing at, yet you don't?

I already quoted it, and said, nice fabrication.

#2 - I never said anything about how only Religious people trash religions....

You quoted Karrie's question on just that and defended it.

I quoted that too.

If you bothered to put some effort into reading anything beyond the instructions on the back of your medication, you would have seen I was pointing at the violence, the hatred, the bile, the vandalism, the continued hypocrisy between these religions and how they continually act like their sh*t don't stink, they're oh-so holier than thou, and they're completely justified in committing any act of violence they please based on their religion.

Ya, I already noted that your countering a point, with the same point.

And when Atheists point any of this out, oh no... that's not fair, we should just remain silent so they can just keep going with their even worse crap.

Isn't that what you just finished crying at me about?

LMAO!!!

Next time, do a better job trimming the pointless from your posts.

I don't have to since you still haven't showed me where I "Lied."

There you go lying again. Are you even capable of telling the truth at all?

 

[CDNBear]

I'm still waiting Prax.

Can we expect you to produce some evidence to support your claims Colpy and I have lied, or shall we just chalk your claim up to trolling?

 

[Kakato]

Ohio Amish group convicted of hate crimes
Ohio Amish group convicted of hate crimes - World - CBC News



Two Canadians fear for lives after wrongly linked to anti-Islam film
Two Canadians fear for lives after wrongly linked to anti-Islam film | CTV News



Anti-Jihad 'savage' ads to go up in New York City subway
Anti-Jihad 'savage' ads to go up in New York City subway | News.com.au



US man charged with trying to bomb bar
US man charged with trying to bomb bar | News.com.au



This is just today's news from three web sites.

I'd be perfectly fine leaving religions and their followers well enough alone, but they're dragging everybody else around them down into their crap, and it's pretty predictable that all of this is just going to get worse and occur more often.

Crazy stuff!

Funny how people gravitate towards something they cant see or touch and yet will fight wars and starve their own people if you don't believe in their "god"

I'm starting to think religion is the root of all evil.

XTC-Dear God - YouTube

 

[Goober]

Catholic official worried about Israel attacks
Catholic official worried about Israel attacks



Well, looks like all the major religions are getting their fair share of intolerance, hatred and violence.

You have Christians in Canada spray painting swastikas on synagogues, you have christians purposely trashing the beliefs of Muslims knowing exactly how they'd react, Muslims going on the war path to make examples out of the infidels, and we have the Jews attacking and burning christian churches and the sort.....

But they're all religions of peace they say.... With their own versions of what peace is.

If they're all left with their own devices long enough with little control, everybody will be screwed.... But that's what they all want anyways... One big Holy World War III to figure out which religion has the biggest balls to show off to their version of the same God they all worship, ala Judgement Day / Rapture.

What would life be without God / Religion?

Well we wouldn't have to deal with all this crap in the world, that's for sure.

All these religious groups who all think they know best & they have it right, which justifies them in using their religion to attack the other religions.... When in reality, they're all a bunch of crack pots dragging humanity down from progression & unity until we're right back to where we came from in the stone ages so we can do it all over again.

Your OP is crap- In the 20th century how many wars were fought over religion- WW 1 and 2 - Nope - Ya lose on that- Korea - Nope - another loss- Vietnam- Racking up the losses - Gulf War 1 and 2- again another loss -
The kill rate under Hitler, Mao and Stalin- Nope - That again was nationalism and power-
The massacres in Rwanda- Again another loss- the wars in Uganda - Oops another loss.
Possible war in the ME over Iran- Again another loss.
Clearly you do not know when to cut your losses.

Is religion misused - Yes - by some- yet you have the audacity and complete ignorance to lay all the wars at the feet of religion and everyone that has a religious belief. Rather idiotic to say the least. Oh and you talk about tolerance and hatred. Yep- another big loss as you have just demonstrated it in Spades.
Rather tolerant of you

 

[Kakato]

Your OP is crap- In the 20th century how many wars were fought over religion- WW 1 and 2 - Nope - Ya lose on that- Korea - Nope - another loss- Vietnam- Racking up the losses - Gulf War 1 and 2- again another loss -
The kill rate under Hitler, Mao and Stalin- Nope - That again was nationalism and power-
The massacres in Rwanda- Again another loss- the wars in Uganda - Oops another loss.
Possible war in the ME over Iran- Again another loss.
Clearly you do not know when to cut your losses.

Is religion misused - Yes - by some- yet you have the audacity and complete ignorance to lay all the wars at the feet of religion and everyone that has a religious belief. Rather idiotic to say the least. Oh and you talk about tolerance and hatred. Yep- another big loss as you have just demonstrated it in Spades.
Rather tolerant of you

Say what you want but I see religion is at the heart of most violence in todays world.
If I say Allah is an idiot someone puts a fatwa on me,they should just lay a fat one on me and one for themselves,maybe chill out and quit thinking of non believers as kuffars.

Religion is at the heart of all of todays violence,the fuse is lit,it will get worse.

The religious diehards should all go up to some remote place and fight it out over who,s god is better and leave the rest of us out of it.

If a badly dubbed youtube clip can encite the kind of violence like the one making headlines is then just wait,the fuse is lit.

We aint seen nothing yet.

 

[gopher]

All these religious groups who all think they know best & they have it right, which justifies them in using their religion to attack the other religions....

Don't forget to mention all the Muslim mosques that have been attacked in the USA with nary a word from the controlled right wing media:

Crime - Salon.com

Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns - U.S. News

 

[Kakato]

Don't forget to mention all the Muslim mosques that have been attacked in the USA with nary a word from the controlled right wing media:

Crime - Salon.com

Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns - U.S. News

Depends on what radio station or tv network you get your news from,maybe your watching the wrong station?

At any rate it is going to be 2 or 3 religions that start the next war.
Us Atheists wont be leading the charge,we just all want to get along.

 

[JLM]

I have no problem with religion, just the people who keep talking about it. I never could figure out why people are so adamant about others believing the same as they do. Maybe they figure there's strength or credibility in numbers! :smile:

 

[gerryh]

I have no problem with religion, just the people who keep talking about it. I never could figure out why people are so adamant about others believing the same as they do. Maybe they figure there's strength or credibility in numbers! :smile:

Atheists do the same thing. Dexter as proof.

 

[JLM]

Atheists do the same thing. Dexter as proof.

I have no problem with them either, a lot of famous people were/are atheists, George Bernard Shaw for one.

 

[gerryh]

I have no problem with them either, a lot of famous people were/are atheists, George Bernard Shaw for one.

Never said I had a problem with Atheists, nor did I imply that you did. I was just pointing out that it's not just "religious" people that push their beliefs. Atheists do the same damn thing.

 

[gopher]

Depends on what radio station or tv network you get your news from,maybe your watching the wrong station?

At any rate it is going to be 2 or 3 religions that start the next war.
Us Atheists wont be leading the charge,we just all want to get along.

None of the media here in the Twinkie Cities reported that.

A little while ago there was a terrible weather disaster in Joplin and supposedly the entire community was brought together by it. There was a huge outpouring of benevolence from every corner of the USA to relieve all the grief caused by it. So you have to wonder - where is the outpouring of grief and relief for those American Muslims under attack there???

 

[darkbeaver]

I was talking about the real world, not forum or other internet antics. Whether it be person to person, person to group, TV to the masses, celeb to fans and such. And certainly not directed toward you or anyone here.

I think there is no better test of a truly open mind than to allow another person their beliefs. I have no moral or intellectual authority to dismiss anyone's traditions, measure of strength or faith. How vain and arrogant it is for me to even think that. I usually fail at this in front of others or when acting an ass in a group setting. Putting others down is easy...putting up with others can be a real challenge for me at times. Alone, is another matter. There is no audience for me to try and demonstrate my 'unique insight' and ability to besmirch and denounce a movement, religion or other such faith-based institution.

I know very little to kick off with. And I'm often wrong. Same with most folk I suspect.

For those that like to lecture others as to how insane they are, ridiculous they sound or appear because of a religion or spiritual following I simply classify them as utterly intolerant and unkind. Whether they be IRL or on places like we have here.

"I know very little to kick off with. And I'm often wrong. Same with most folk I suspect. " Wisdom I read somewhere. I find it comforting in a religious way. The value of confessions I guess,anyway I agree with your post. I try to keep my lectures humourous and buffoonish, I think laughter is the best. Hope it happens that way but. I have new found respect for religion because of the characters here at CC who instill curiosity and therefore compel me to read. Any debate engaged in is for my instruction primarily and only secondarily to demonstrate how bloody intelligent I must be. Religion is a must for all humans, a god concept is better than an anti god concept, if you don't acknowledge your ignorance in the face of infinity you are a fool there are far greater powers and consiousness far beyond the human realm. To acknowledge that relieves one of the burden of struggle against the almighty which you ain't going to win. I think it takes a ungodly person like my former self a life time to come to that conclusion. Yours truly, some stardust. There are things we must demonstrate intolerance for and you can't be unkind enough to the evil.

 

[Just the Facts]

Don't forget to mention all the Muslim mosques that have been attacked in the USA with nary a word from the controlled right wing media:

Crime - Salon.com

Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns - U.S. News

Maybe they were mistaken for churches, or maybe the perps just didn't want the mosque-goers to feel left out?

Churches Vandalized, Ransacked, and Threatened With Disruption |

Two Catholic Churches Vandalized in One Week - U.s. - Catholic Online

Catholic League: Gays Vandalize San Francisco Church - U.s. - Catholic Online

Cleanup begins at vandalized church | WAVY.com | Virginia

Canada's St. Gebriel Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church Vandalized

California church vandalized; artifacts damaged | Fox News

http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...rch-vandalized-police-say.html?nclick_check=1

LDS Church Vandalized

Stafford Church Vandalized | NBC4 Washington


etc. etc.

Call the FBI!

Should we google "Synagogue vandalized" now? lol

 

[darkbeaver]

I'm still waiting Prax.

Can we expect you to produce some evidence to support your claims Colpy and I have lied, or shall we just chalk your claim up to trolling?

I support praxius. You and Colpy have both lied frequently. Weather it was intentional or you're just too ignorant to know fact from fabrication I can't say for sure. But I would donate toward the cost of lab expenses to have the matter cut into and exposed.

 

[Praxius]

What I said to dexter applies to you. When you have already decided that it is all a "myth" then there is no discussion. You have closed your mind to any other possibilities.

Funny, since you have an issue with people calling the current religions as Myth's, yet all the religions that came before the currently followed religions are now dubbed as "Mythologies" even by the currently followed religions.

What makes Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. not Mythologies?

One difference between mythology and religion has to do with truth. Although both mythology and religion can be associated with supernatural text and stories, religious stories are perceived by members of that religion to be true. Mythological stories are generally considered to be fiction.

Closed mind, meet closed mind.

I'm still waiting Prax.

Can we expect you to produce some evidence to support your claims Colpy and I have lied, or shall we just chalk your claim up to trolling?

Oh sorry, I had better things to do this weekend then to entertain you and your crap... sorry if I kept you waiting.... didn't think your life was that boring.

I've already related this thread and my point to your and Colpy's Fed Up with Islam thread, which I posted in as well, so there's plenty there for you to compare to.

But since you're such a slack ass troll who can't be bothered to do anything beyond getting spoon fed information, I'll entertain your miserable life once again:

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/104858-fed-up-islam-yet-16.html

^ just look at your responses to my quote, followed by my responses to your posts. I provided you with plenty of examples, just as I am providing examples in this thread as well, which you continually ignore, won't accept that Christians and Jews aren't any better than Muslims, and when putting the same mentality on Christians and Jews as you and Colpy place on Muslism, you don't refute or counter any of those equal examples, you kept side tracking, or just simply ignored and continued with your pointless trolling.

You:

Really? You can't find anything comparable in this decade?

Fail.

Nice that you try and narrow the criteria to just the last decade, while attempting to ignore the last century, and beyond based on what Christians and Jews have done in the past..... a pretty piss poor attempt if you ask me.

I then listed off more recent examples.... and above in this post, I presented even more recent (just last week) reports on things Christians and Jews have done.... oh but you avoid those things and claim I'm lying. :roll:

And the above examples were just from three news sources and just from that day.... if I had the time to look through the last month's new on several threads, I'm sure I could make this thread balloon to three pages in examples.

You can claim I Failed.... I'll just claim you're lame and a waste of thread space.

Anyways, I've entertained your pointless crap for long enough... time to move onto other, more worthwhile posts.

 

[darkbeaver]

Maybe they were mistaken for churches, or maybe the perps just didn't want the mosque-goers to feel left out?

Churches Vandalized, Ransacked, and Threatened With Disruption |

Two Catholic Churches Vandalized in One Week - U.s. - Catholic Online

Catholic League: Gays Vandalize San Francisco Church - U.s. - Catholic Online

Cleanup begins at vandalized church | WAVY.com | Virginia

Canada's St. Gebriel Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church Vandalized

California church vandalized; artifacts damaged | Fox News

http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...rch-vandalized-police-say.html?nclick_check=1

LDS Church Vandalized

Stafford Church Vandalized | NBC4 Washington


etc. etc.

Call the FBI!

Should we google "Synagogue vandalized" now? lol

Yea go ahead. The number of synagoges vandalized by members of the congregation are interesting to say the least.

None of the media here in the Twinkie Cities reported that.

A little while ago there was a terrible weather disaster in Joplin and supposedly the entire community was brought together by it. There was a huge outpouring of benevolence from every corner of the USA to relieve all the grief caused by it. So you have to wonder - where is the outpouring of grief and relief for those American Muslims under attack there???

There isn't any we've been conditioned to hate the enemy and the enemy is Islam. Who points the finger at Muslims who always points at Muslims, who benefits?