Fed up with Religions Yet?

[Praxius]

You think all that's worse than you lying?

Nice moral relativism.

Nice fabrication.

Nice refute.... much like the pointless bantering you've made in the other Thread.

Lying?

Prove me wrong.... I would Love you to prove me wrong.

Show me where I have been lying.... or at least, show me where I have been lying more than you and Colpy have been.

But you won't.... instead, you'll just come back with some little smartass quip like you always do, thinking that makes you sound right or something, while you and your ignorant buddies slap each other on the back for a good job in accomplishing nothing.

 

[CDNBear]

Nice refute.... much like the pointless bantering you've made in the other Thread.

Suck it up buttercup.

Lying?

Yes.

Prove me wrong.... I would Love you to prove me wrong.

Well, besides the obvious fabrication that was in your post. You support the idiotic notion that only religions people trash religions.

Show me where I have been lying....

Just did.

... or at least, show me where I have been lying more than you and Colpy have been.

Now you can show me where Colpy and I have lied, m'kay?

But you won't....

I just did. Proving you wrong is fun.

...instead, you'll just come back with some little smartass quip like you always do, thinking that makes you sound right or something, while you and your ignorant buddies slap each other on the back for a good job in accomplishing nothing.

I don't think it makes me look right, I just am, lol. As I have just proven.

I look forward to you showing me where Colpy and I have lied.

 

[Praxius]

I never attempted to justify the wars and the fighting. They've existed all through humanity and have been fought for power since the beginning of time. And they'll continue to be fought so long as it's always the fault of 'the other guy'. I'm just pointing out that you're playing into the mentality. It's 'that guy's' fault. Thank god I got it right and I'm nothing like him. I found the 'right' path, and his needs to be abolished.

Difference is, I'm not preaching my path, shoving it in other people's faces and don't care if people know what my choices are or not.

I'm not going on the war path to sexually assault, beat, stone to death, burn, toss acid at people, etc. based on my beliefs.

But something has occurred that I expected.... it's funny how Colpy's thread can go pages upon pages of him and CDN Bear going on trashing Islam / Muslims with only a couple of members countering them while most of you remain silent.... but as soon as a similar thread is created to target all religions and show that Jews and Christians really aren't much better using the same tactics, suddenly many more come out of the wood works to argue that it's not fair that their religions are being targeted by using "Isolated Incidences" or "Extremists" who did similar things...

.... yet you're all silent when the same is done to another religion you're not a part of or have much relation to.

Funny that.

 

[CDNBear]

Difference is, I'm not preaching my path, shoving it in other people's faces and don't care if people know what my choices are or not.

I'm not going on the war path to sexually assault, beat, stone to death, burn, toss acid at people, etc. based on my beliefs.

But you are lying. How is that any better?

But something has occurred that I expected.... it's funny how Colpy's thread can go pages upon pages of him and CDN Bear going on trashing Islam / Muslims with only a couple of members countering them while most of you remain silent.... but as soon as a similar thread is created to target all religions and show that Jews and Christians really aren't much better using the same tactics, suddenly many more come out of the wood works to argue that it's not fair that their religions are being targeted by using "Isolated Incidences" or "Extremists" who did similar things...

.... yet you're all silent when the same is done to another religion you're not a part of or have much relation to.

Funny that.

I'm not Christian, Jewish, Muslim or a member of any other organized religious group.

My point is you don't counter a point, with the same point, lol.

Oh, I noticed you didn't show where Colpy and I have lied.

Funny that.

 

[Locutus]

 

[Praxius]

So start a "Are you happy with Islam yet?" thread, and post happy fluffy things about Islam.

The answer isn't to go adding to the problem, lol.

Oh, YOU'RE telling me the answer isn't to go adding to the problem, when you yourself do the exact same thing you say I shouldn't be doing?

Way to be, hypocrite. :roll:

And why should I start a "Are you happy with Islam yet?" thread when I'm not happy with, nor defending, any religion? :?

 

[CDNBear]

Oh, YOU'RE telling me the answer isn't to go adding to the problem, when you yourself do the exact same thing you say I shouldn't be doing?

No, I'm saying if you're going to object, don't do the same thing.

I really don't care what you cry about. But I won't ignore your hypocrisy.

Way to be, hypocrite. :roll:

LMAO!!!

And why should I start a "Are you happy with Islam yet?" thread when I'm not happy with, nor defending, any religion? :?

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, in that I assumed you were trying to counter Colpy's thread. The logical action would be to actually counter it, lol.

My mistake, you aren't logical.

So instead of countering Colpy's thread, you made the same thread, but about other religions, while actually lying. Good for you, lol.

So besides being a hypocrite, you employ moral relativism, lol. Way to go.

I'm still waiting to see you prove Colpy and I have lied.

I predict I won't see you present any evidence. Which of course, is what separates the false accusations of trolls, from me, lol.

 

[JLM]

Not religions so much as the hypocrites and Bible thumpers that hide behind the guise of religion.

 

[Praxius]

I'll trim the pointlessness to keep things short:

Well, besides the obvious fabrication that was in your post. You support the idiotic notion that only religions people trash religions.

#1 - What fabrication are you even talking about?

It's pretty easy to copy and paste what I said to show specifically what you're pointing at, yet you don't?

#2 - I never said anything about how only Religious people trash religions.... everybody and their dog can and does trash any religion they see fit, that's nothing new. The difference is how one uses their own religious beliefs to attack the other religion.

If you bothered to put some effort into reading anything beyond the instructions on the back of your medication, you would have seen I was pointing at the violence, the hatred, the bile, the vandalism, the continued hypocrisy between these religions and how they continually act like their sh*t don't stink, they're oh-so holier than thou, and they're completely justified in committing any act of violence they please based on their religion.

And when Atheists point any of this out, oh no... that's not fair, we should just remain silent so they can just keep going with their even worse crap.

Now you can show me where Colpy and I have lied, m'kay?

I don't have to since you still haven't showed me where I "Lied."

 

[Dexter Sinister]

It's not religion that needs the trashing...

I disagree. It makes truth claims about the nature of reality and the meaning of it all that need to be challenged, they don't get automatic respect just because they have the religious label on them. Considering the sorts of things religion gets up to when it has real secular power--think crusades, jihads, fatwahs, executions for heresy, witch burnings, stuff like that--I have no sympathy when the religious object to mere verbal challenges. The only reason any contemporary church or religion is civilized is because it hasn't the power to be anything else. I believe that even the Quakers or the Amish, given real secular power, would ultimately behave no differently than the mediaeval Christian church did. When people believe they have absolute knowledge, with no test in reality permitted, they'll do horrible things to those who disagree with them, if they can.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yep. And some are so contrary and provocative that feel it is their duty to retort anyone stating their belief or opinion. Instead of just accepting that, like themselves, the other bloke has one, they have to blurt out the opposite ideaolgy just to get a rise or a extra few 'points' in their miserable daily game of the week.

More props to a person who just shuts the hell up and moves on. That also includes the eye-roll, head-shake and exasperated sigh. :lol:

How would a forum work if we/me were just to shut the hell up and move on. I'm trying to visualize a thread of such composition, trying to gauge the depths of it's stale grey culturally correct compliance. No it just wouldn't be fun. I'm sorry to be disagreeable about this mad plan of yours. Friction makes heat, heat warms up the conversation, I've never seen anyone stabbed here before and I don't expect to.

Ahhh ya religion, well I haven't a clue how to fix it.

 

[Praxius]

Ohio Amish group convicted of hate crimes
Ohio Amish group convicted of hate crimes - World - CBC News

Sixteen Amish men and women were convicted Thursday of hate crimes for a series of hair- and beard-cutting attacks on fellow sect members in a religious dispute that offered a rare and sometimes lurid glimpse into the closed and usually self-regulating community of believers.....

Two Canadians fear for lives after wrongly linked to anti-Islam film
Two Canadians fear for lives after wrongly linked to anti-Islam film | CTV News

Two Canadian human-rights activists say they fear for their lives after being wrongly linked to an anti-Muslim film that has sparked riots and protests around the world.
Nader Fawzy and Jacques Attalla said Thursday they are among a number of Coptic Christians who Egypt has accused of being involved in the production, distribution or promotion of the film, "Innocence of Muslims."....

Anti-Jihad 'savage' ads to go up in New York City subway
Anti-Jihad 'savage' ads to go up in New York City subway | News.com.au

A PROVOCATIVE ad that equates some Muslim radicals with savages will go up in the New York City subway system next week, after a wave of violent protests over a film ridiculing the Prophet Mohammed.

A conservative blogger who once headed a campaign against an Islamic centre near the September 11 terror attack site won a court order to post the ad in 10 subway stations on Monday.

It reads, "In any war between the civilised man and the savage, support the civilised man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad''......

US man charged with trying to bomb bar
US man charged with trying to bomb bar | News.com.au

.... Daoud, who turns 19 on Friday, was arrested last week after authorities said he tried to trigger a fake mechanism set up by the FBI as a part of a sting.

Court documents say Daoud told an undercover agent he was pursuing the attack because the US was at war "with Islam and Muslims"......

This is just today's news from three web sites.

I'd be perfectly fine leaving religions and their followers well enough alone, but they're dragging everybody else around them down into their crap, and it's pretty predictable that all of this is just going to get worse and occur more often.

 

[darkbeaver]

We will just have to be patient and remain calm and wait for the god war to stop, I think it's started in a big way recently and I don't expect any resolution till the hills have been toasted and the seas filled with fish food. Cheer up it's just an exam.

 

[relic]

The world would be a much better place if everyone was just like me.I'm serious,you people have no fn idea just how wonderfull I am.

 

[karrie]

Difference is, I'm not preaching my path, shoving it in other people's faces and don't care if people know what my choices are or not.

I'm not going on the war path to sexually assault, beat, stone to death, burn, toss acid at people, etc. based on my beliefs.

But something has occurred that I expected.... it's funny how Colpy's thread can go pages upon pages of him and CDN Bear going on trashing Islam / Muslims with only a couple of members countering them while most of you remain silent.... but as soon as a similar thread is created to target all religions and show that Jews and Christians really aren't much better using the same tactics, suddenly many more come out of the wood works to argue that it's not fair that their religions are being targeted by using "Isolated Incidences" or "Extremists" who did similar things...

.... yet you're all silent when the same is done to another religion you're not a part of or have much relation to.

Funny that.

I've had my go arounds with Colpy on the issue of Islam. I've pointed out much the same things I've said to you here. It gets boring and old. Your thread is fresh meat.

I disagree. It makes truth claims....

So you just ignore the whole part where I said that it's the mentality that the path you've chosen is right, that needs to change? Because, if you'd read that, if you'd actually absorbed it, you'd realize that applies to religion, to politics, to tribalism of all sorts. But no. Scrap religion and the world will be great, because then it would be like you, and you got it right. Right?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

So you just ignore the whole part where I said that it's the mentality that the path you've chosen is right, that needs to change? Because, if you'd read that, if you'd actually absorbed it, you'd realize that applies to religion, to politics, to tribalism of all sorts. But no. Scrap religion and the world will be great, because then it would be like you, and you got it right. Right?

No, that's not what I'm arguing, and you should know better than that after all the exchanges we've had. That mentality IS the issue, all those things people have mentioned, like politics, tribalism, religion, etc., all play to the same weaknesses in human perception and cognition. We perceive patterns where there aren't any, we seek confirming evidence and ignore disconfirming evidence, we find causal connections where there aren't any, we cling to beliefs even after they're proven false, and so on.

Nobody's born knowing how to do critical thinking correctly or how to test claims for their truth content, it's a learned skill, it's difficult to do well, and all those things--politics, religion, tribalism, etc.--actively discourage it and promote certainty instead. They promote, in fact, that mentality you're talking about, and that's the problem. You're trying to separate religion from the beliefs and activities of its followers, as if it exists off on its own in some world of Platonic ideals and people pervert it to their own ends so religion itself bears no responsibility for them. That argument I find specious. If a religion is not the activities and beliefs of its adherents, it's just an extinct idea, and thus not relevant to this conversation.

 

[talloola]

no, i'm not fed up with religion at all, BUT what I am happy about is the fact that, for some reason,
at a very early age, I saw religion as a useless use of my time, and I walked away from that area of
life, and moved on with my life 'without' believing in god, or being part of any religion.

I do see religion as just another part of life where power hungry people push and shove other power hungry
people and try to make them be 'what' they are, no different than politics, or corporate interference
with people to buy their products, (so they can be wealthy).

As I grow older and hopefully wiser, I see so many walks of life as 'pushy', and have backed off from
paying any attention to any of them, advertising, politics and the such, which keeps my mind free to
see more clearly from afar, exactly what they are trying to do to us, which just makes me smile and
do the 'in one ear and out the other' game, and not take any of them seriously at all.

All of whom I mention, as far as I am concerned don't give a damn about any of us, it is themselves they
love, and are trying to gain money and power in their own direction, at our expense, and in many cases,
with all of those walks of life, it leads to violence.

As a child, I realized that religion was trying to control my life thru fear, eg. 'if you do this, this will
happen to you', and I don't remember anything about religion actually enhancing my life at all.

I'm not fed up with religion, as that would take negative energy toward something I have no interest in, so I will
look elsewhere to use positive energy throughout my day.

 

[gerryh]

Nobody's born knowing how to do critical thinking correctly or how to test claims for their truth content, it's a learned skill, it's difficult to do well, and all those things--politics, religion, tribalism, etc.--actively discourage it and promote certainty instead. They promote, in fact, that mentality you're talking about, and that's the problem.

"THEY" is the key word here. God hasn't done it. The "people" or "adherents" have done it.

You're trying to separate religion from the beliefs and activities of its followers, as if it exists off on its own in some world of Platonic ideals and people pervert it to their own ends so religion itself bears no responsibility for them. That argument I find specious. If a religion is not the activities and beliefs of its adherents, it's just an extinct idea, and thus not relevant to this conversation.

When those religious beliefs and tenets are bastardized and perverted by the followers then, yes, it is separate. The problem here is, you don't believe, period. Therefore it is impossible for you to understand. It's impossible for you to have an "open mind" concerning Religion in general and God in particular.

 

[taxslave]

"THEY" is the key word here. God hasn't done it. The "people" or "adherents" have done it.



When those religious beliefs and tenets are bastardized and perverted by the followers then, yes, it is separate. The problem here is, you don't believe, period. Therefore it is impossible for you to understand. It's impossible for you to have an "open mind" concerning Religion in general and God in particular.

Well it is kind of hard to have an open mind about a bunch of myths that certain people with a desire for power keep pushing as fact.

 

[gerryh]

Well it is kind of hard to have an open mind about a bunch of myths that certain people with a desire for power keep pushing as fact.

What I said to dexter applies to you. When you have already decided that it is all a "myth" then there is no discussion. You have closed your mind to any other possibilities.