It's not embedding anything.....
Straight flat-out bullshyte. Beating an abusive kid is the stupidest thing to do because it will almost certainly result in snowballing the kid's behavior. Psychiatric therapy is the best so far.
ScienceDirect - Child Abuse & Neglect : Animal cruelty by children exposed to domestic violence
Animal Abuse By Kids May Be Bad Omen - cbs4.com
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/188677.pdf
Psychology of People Hurting Animals: What Early Violent Behavior Towards Animals May Indicate
if I go and take a hockey stick and club some kid with it because I saw it on TV and then my father came along and gave me a whack on the ass with the same hockey stick with a fraction of the power I applied to the kid I attacked, I'll get a very good, first hand understanding on what sensation occurs from what I did to that kid...... it hurts..... and if I was hit with the same level of power I hit the other kid, I'd know it'd hurt even more..... the question in my mind would then be "Do I feel it is right to inflict that same level of pain on someone else who didn't deserve it?" followed by "Would I want that level of pain inflicted on me?"
I really believe you would because I believe you are relatively well-adjusted and don't have any form of psychoses. That kid obviously does have a psychosis. People with psychoses do not think like the rest of us. People with psychoses have different understandings of things than we do.
The answer in both cases would be no..... and if I don't want others to inflict that level of pain on me in the future, then don't do it to others..... the same understanding can be applied to animals as believe it or not, they do have very similar levels of pain reception as us humans.
If the child has no understanding of what certain pain can be like, then they won't fully understand why what they did was wrong.
And a child that cannot think in the same sort of terms as you? Believe it or not, some people get off on pain. Some people just become numb to it, suck it up and carry on. Not everyone is like you. Not everyone is "normal".
I never said to take a hammer to his head like he did to the animals he killed..... I'm talking about giving him a good smack on the ass, let him cry it out and ask him if he liked how that felt..... if he sobs no, then you ask him how he thinks those animals or those he attacked must feel like, which would be far more worse.
It's about understanding, understanding about what he has inflicted on others, as well as understanding that there are consequences for such actions because not being able to play his video game for a couple of days.
And what if the kid understands things differently than average people? How many people with serious ASPD, OCD, etc. issues have you known? If you've known some, do they seem to think the same as most people? I'd bet not or else they were pretty good with facades.
Obviously you're not getting it......[
Oh I get what you're saying. I got it a long time ago. You just don't get it that people like this kid are not normal, do not think normally, do not understand things the same way you or I might, and they don't have the same emotional development as you or I.
If I just walked up to the kid without any provocation and started slugging the crap out of him for my own amusement or over stupid and trivial things they did wrong, then yes.... it could be viewed as how you described..... but if it is used in a controlled and confined aspect of punishment and teaching of consequence to something as tragic as what he has done, as well as education as to why it was being done, why it hurts and to compare what was done to him to what he did to others..... it is possible to teach him that going around and making things suffer for your own amusement isn't cool and isn't right.
To a kid that is relatively normal, yeah, I agree.
When you blindly use physical abuse just because your angry or because a kid did something you didn't like, ie: use it almost every single day for trivial things that can be addressed by simple talking and communication, then you would teach that kid that abuse and physical punishment is the norm....... but when restricted to extreme and dangerous situations to both the child and those around them and done in a moderate, controlled manner, it can be beneficial as a learning tool.
As an example, if my child was playing around with a gun and almost shot one of his or her friends, I'd probably give that kid a good smack on the ass for what they did and a very stern lecture on the dangers of guns and what that can do to someone...... if my kid was told repeatedly to stay away from a fenced off electrical transformer area but was continually found to be climbing the fence and risking their own death, I'd probably grab my kid off the fence and smack them on the ass pretty hard and tell them they'd get a lot worse from the power if they got past the fence..... in situations like that when I was growing up, if I still couldn't understand that I'd get seriously injured or die from doing something stupid, I'd at least learn that if I tried that again, I'd get a good smack on the ass which I didn't like...... so I wouldn't do it.
I never killed or harmed small animals, so explain that one to me why don't you.... in fact I have a great respect for life, human and animal alike and I'm one of the first to help someone or something that's injured...... your above claim is an empty and subjective assumption based on nothing.
Maybe he is abused and beaten day in and day out..... maybe not.... at this stage you and I don't know.... but being regularly beaten and abused for the sake of it, day in and day out, is not what I am promoting, nor am I even suggesting it..... so how about you drop your black and white mentality and try and actually read what I am saying for once..... otherwise there is no point in debating with you if you're going to continually ignore what I am actually debating.
I know what you've been saying, but apparently you haven't bothered to even try understanding what I've been saying.
A good smack on the ass or perhaps a fraction of a tap from one of the tools he used against those animals he killed so he can understand a mere fraction of what he was inflicting on others.....
I already asked you and others what you'd suggest to do to solve this problem, yet I still haven't heard one single idea from you or others.
Liar. I have posted my thoughts at least twice. Youn just ignore anyone else's position.
All I have heard so far are harsh criticisms towards me suggesting a possible solution...... at least I'm offering out ideas.... all you're doing is complaining that this won't work, or that won't work, or this will just cause things to be worse, or that will teach the kid to do this, etc. etc.
Liar
Well then how about you offer up some sort of idea that's better to cope with this situation if you know best?
I have been. You just choose to ignore it.
Like I said, rather then continually bickering and moaning at other people's ideas and complaining that they won't work, how about you conjure up something better.
Like I said, I have been since the OP. You just can't conceive that someone else might have an idea, so you don't see anything but your own.
I will blame the parents until I know more. Something terrible is going on/has gone on in this boy's life. The
parents have known that something was dreadfully wrong over a month ago at least, when he beat the dog to death. An
eight year old should not be so familiar with the concept of death and how to bring it about. Where did he learn this?
From TV?
Probably not from tv. As I said earlier, the majority of studies have shown that abusive kids get it from their parents or their neighborhood.
None of which are what I am even coming close to suggesting, nor condoning..... seriously wtf can't people understand the difference between controlled physical discipline and some parent off their rocker using their children to vent their anger and frustration at?
Cripes... someone suggests giving a kid a spanking and everybody jumps on them like they're suggesting hanging them from the ceiling using rusty hooks in their backs.
You said "beating" not "spanking". And most everyone else here seems to understand that the kid has something wrong with him. Something deeply psychological. So normal discipline or punishment will not work.
The term "Beating" is subjective.... I view it one way, you apparently view it another way. I used the term Beating to cover Spanking or any other form of physical discipline that may apply depending on the situation.
It has more to do with relativity than subjectivity. Someone says spanking and I bet most people would think "open handed swat on the butt". Someone says "beating" and most people would likely think, "black eyes, broken noses, bruises, etc."
That's what I said waaaaay back on page one; the kid needs active psychiatric therapy.
Exactly.
I wonder if he wets his bed as well.. Killing animals at a young age is the beginning stages of becoming a serial killer. His parents are undoubtedly useless trash.
Jeeeez. Animal abuse does not necessarily lead to serial killing. There's a correlation between serial killers and them having abused animals in their younger years and that is all there is. There is no strict cause and effect.
Criminal Minds is a freakin tv show, people, not a psychiatric organisation.
Kellert and Felthous found that family violence, particularly alcoholism and paternal abuse, were significantly more common among aggressive criminals with a history of childhood cruelty toward animals. This connects with statistical information from animal control agencies in the United States. They say that 80% of homes in which animal control agencies found abused pets, there had been investigations by child welfare agencies due to reports of physical abuse and neglect.
Exactly what I've been saying.
