Maybe. On the other hand, maybe he has never heard of a society that allows cruelty, too, though.
Boy, 8, accused of killing more pets
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I think Scott's point has some relevance though (although not to the extreme he takes it imo).... across the ocean 8 year olds can be revered for being cruel enough to slowly kill a bull, but right here right now, our society pretends he's an abberation and demands he be beaten or ostracized because we associate him with serial killers. He's not an abberation, he's a fairly stable (speaking percentage wise) expression of humanity. Teaching him that we have no need to be cruel to animals anymore, teaching him how to fit into society, makes more sense to me than pretending an 8 year old is less than human.
Exactly, this is here and now.
And I repeat what I usually say, our society is sick. It needs fixing.
Exactly why I said the boy needs active therapy, not beating.
Does this mean you would trust this boy around your own children? PETA Media Center > Factsheets > Animal Abuse and Human Abuse: Partners in Crime
As natural "explorers," don't all children sometimes harm animals?
Absolutely not. While some children kill insects, few torture pets or other small creatures. If allowed to harm animals, children are more likely to be violent later in life. Animal cruelty, like any other violence, should never be attributed to a stage of development.
What kind of children are cruel to animals?
Serious or repeated animal cruelty is seen more often in boys than in girls. Children as young as four may harm animals, but such behavior is most common during adolescence. Cruelty is often associated with children who do poorly in school and have low self-esteem and few friends. Children who are cruel to animals are often characterized as bullies and may have a history of truancy, vandalism, and other antisocial behaviors.
What does animal cruelty indicate about family dynamics? Researchers say that a child's violence against animals often represents displaced hostility and aggression stemming from neglect or abuse of the child or of another family member. Animal cruelty committed by any member of a family, whether parent or child, often means child abuse occurs in that family.
Yup..... or put him through the same failed system of youth justice where he get's a stern talking to, set loose back into society to continue beating and killing animals which will eventually progress towards beating and killing humans, which of course won't be his fault either and when he becomes an adult, his record is wiped clean as if he never did anything wrong, just so he can start all over again.
Cuz that's been working so well.
PETA! Holy mackerel juan, you are leaving yourself wide open for ridicule from quite a few people on here that think they are a bunch of wackos (Wacko being anybody who has an opposing view, that is).
At 8 years old, the kid is obviously seeking attention. My guess would be that he is abused or neglected at home, or as VanIsle stated, doesn't get enough hugs. Most of our kids are raised by TVs. How can we expect stable, balanced children? We have a whole generation or two who have very little social skills because they were taught life by the Mutant Ninja Turtles.
We do? Last I heard they're killed unless someone goes to the media to plea for public support to save their dog and sway opinion.
Then what sort of wonderful "Help" would you suggest that would work?
I knew a punk like this growing up, who continually killed and abused animals and bragged about it.... the police didn't do anything about him besides tell his parents to lecture him, which did nothing, and when the last I saw him back when we were around 20-21 years old, he was bragging about how one day he was walking down the street with his grandmother when a dog chained up in someone's yard barked at them and startled his grandmother..... so he came back later in the night and while it was in its pin, he poured gas all over the dog and then set him on fire and just stood there and watched.
This kid apparently didn't learn from his past actions as even in the report they said "RCMP and Child, Youth and Family Services were addressing the incident because of the boy's age" Which sounds to me like they threw everything they had at the kid to "Help" him..... and it didn't work.
Yes.... let's keep talking to the kid, cuz that worked before..... How dare anybody suggest giving this kid some form of punishment to show there are at least consequences for his actions..... if he can't understand that killing and beating animals, other people's pets at that, is wrong, then maybe he will understand that there will be punishments for doing wrong.
But apparently even that's too harsh.
Yeah well nobody said to kill him or brutally beat him so he can't walk anymore.
Then toss him into boot camp, military school or institutionalize the little freak.
Exactly.... and these type of people when given plenty of lee way will eventually come to the conclusion that they have power over everybody else, that the consequences for their actions are minimal or non-existent.... and when the time comes that he decides to kidnap a fellow classmate, take them out into the woods and torture/beat them to death, he'll be dragged into the courts and of course will plea insanity or something else to work around the system, like mommy and daddy didn't love him enough or something stupid...... then gets maybe 2 months in some adult day care where they teach him how to make baskets and socks, adding further insult to his victims and their families.
Oh, he gets a high on killing small creatures.... so that makes it so much better?
You make it sound like something every 8 year old kid goes through like it's normal to go around clubbing and killing animals/other people's pets.
The one time I actually used violence against something or someone, I got a good smack with a good yelling and I learned pretty damn quickly not to do that crap again..... pretty simple and quite effective..... In fact, when I did something stupid.... and I mean really stupid growing up, I got a good throttling.... it never encouraged me into thinking that being abusive to others is a good thing and to keep doing it, nor can I remember the last time I was ever violent to someone except in cases of self defense.
This isn't some kid spilling milk all over the table we're talking about.
Yet some here want to make it sound like I'm in support of a regular everyday thrashing at 4:00pm on the dot for the sake of it..... black and white for some it seems.
*Sigh*
Looks like this goon already got all the teaching he could get when they sent the RCMP, Child Services, Youth Services and Family Services all after him the first time around...... and it clearly failed because he ended up killing more animals.
So tell me your wonderful, less shocking solution to curing this kid of his sadistic tendencies that these organizations didn't already do.
If that was the case then I'd be chopping up people right now and storing them in my freezer..... I would have been attacking and killing animals for my own sick pleasure when I was growing up..... I would have been a bully in school, picking fights with everybody I came across, yet I never did any of these things, in fact I tolerated a lot of crap other kids did to me and I was the complete opposite of what you're claiming above.
And so you think I'm also in support of beating kids around for stupid things like not coming their hair right, brushing their teeth, spilling their food, etc?
I'm talking about a kid who kills, not some kid who can't figure out how to comb his hair..... two completely different things.
I do not agree with the actions being taken in your above story, and your above story is completely different then the original report.
Who's to say this kid isn't already getting all the love, snuggles and rainbows he needs/wants? There's no evidence in the report stating he does or doesn't and there are plenty of kids like this wanker who do get plenty of attention, sometimes a little too much imo, and still end up like freaks like this kid..... all the while their parents sob on the camera saying they don't understand what went wrong, their child was such an angel and wouldn't hurt a fly.
Killing one animal is one thing..... continuing to kill more animals after already being caught and having everything the system can throw at you to teach you what you're doing is wrong is a whole other ball game.
Chances are you're right..... though none of us will ever know for sure because he'll be covered up by the system until he's 18 and then have all his past records wiped, so we'll never truly know if it's the same kid or not, or if there's a correlation.
That's the other problem..... they should be giving these kid's names out to the public.... no matter what their age is.... 8, 13, 16 years old... it doesn't matter..... maybe if they figure out that they won't be protected and covered up by the system and that their neighbors, classmates and friends all will know what they did or will do.... maybe they won't do it in the first place.
My father used to say that if any of us ever broke the law, he'd call the police himself (he was friends with a number of RCMP, so it wasn't far fetched) and get them to haul us away to jail and get the stiffest penalties possible.
Of course in reality this was kind of impossible to occur, but none of us knew about or protections with the Youth Justice system at the time and really thought we'd go to jail..... which is what I count as a good reason why I didn't screw around.
:roll: So embedding the abusive attitude into the kid by beating him will do what? Why not just kill the kid right off and be done with it?
He's already displayed an abnormal amount of aberrant behavior, let's make it worse by showing him it is ok to beat living things. :tard:
It's quite likely that being beaten is why he lashes out on small animals to begin with.
Right. You didn't specify as tyo what "beating" consisted of.
A whole lot better idea than your first one.
Sometimes, yup. We never hear about the ones that go through therapy and become fairly regular people. All we hear about are the ones that start out ok then turn bad because of some abuse of some sort and end up being societies' pariahs.
I didn't see it that way.
Nope. You make it sound like that to people.
So you are saying you were the same as this kid is? Then you're hardly one that people should go to for answers.
Studies. Anyone with half a wit could figure out there's something abnormal in this kid's behavior. Upbringing is simply the most common reason.
Plenty of kids like him? How many is plenty? Do you have reports?
Yup. So normal punishment won't work on abnormal behavior. That should be obvious.
Yup. That'll be the panacea to curing everyone alright.
Oh, wait threat of jailtime doesn't work now, even on adults.
My children are 8 and 10, unless I know the other kid really well, their play time is supervised anyway. And yes, they do have playdates with some socially challenged kids who I'd never trust them alone with. I'm not about to be complicit in someone's mental damage by participating in the ostracizing of an 8 year old who could obviously use some behaviour modeling.
He'll be going to the psych until unil he's 18. That's one record that will NEVER go away.
I know of the perfect place for him here in SK. I have a friend that works at one facility that is an ex Marine pshycologist that worked at Gitmo from 2001 to 2004. He's incredible with disturbed kids.
What bothers me about this kid is that he seems bereft of pity. He literally beat the dog to death. It's not like he accidentally shot the dog and it was instantly dead, he beat the dog until it was no longer alive. The dog was on a leash and couldn't get away. Somebody has to teach this kid as soon as possible that this behavior is completely unacceptable.
An eight-year-old kid is old enough to know right from wrong. The kid and his parents should be doing laps around a psychiatrist's office with a possible chemical straight-jacket chaser.
Heuristic way is the most effective way of teaching/learning.
Let a kid touch a hotplate once, he'll never do it again.
Let a kid feel exactly how the animal, that he tortured feel and he probably won't do it again.
That is not cruelty, that is common sense.
Let a kid touch a hotplate once, he'll never do it again.
Let a kid feel exactly how the animal, that he tortured feel and he probably won't do it again.
That is not cruelty, that is common sense.