Angry Libyan mob kills U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three diplomates.

[TenPenny]

I will miss the chance for the refund I think I deserve. Read some of his stuff, maybe you'll appreciate the reward offered.

Are you saying that if you don't like a novelist, they should be killed?

Or are you saying you can't separate reality from fiction?

 

[B00Mer]

So we ... as Americans should redifine our 1st Ammendment because it upsets people in other countries? lol. Seriously?

Insult whoever you want unless they freak out. If they freak out you are committing a crime. If they remain passive it is OK.

Look, I'm all for Free Speech..

However, the film maker went one step further past just making a film to insult Islam, he claimed to be Jewish. That means he was trying deliberately to incite a riot or extreme anger from the Muslims.

Now, if he just made this film.. without lying about being a Jew, then I would be all for his right to Freedom of Speech. Stupid film, poor taste, and sad Americans were killed..

I'm no fan of Islam, and I do defend Free Speech, but when it used to incite a riot, I don't agree..

There is already enough tension in the Middle East between Muslims and Jews.. without inflaming it with false propaganda.

Canada does not have the same Freedom of Speech as the USA, so I don't know what some Canadians are strutting around like pea cocks for.. if this guy was Canadian and filmed it here in Canada, I'm sure they guy would be cooling his heels in jail under some hate crime laws, or something like that..

Remember this Article..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/20/pentagon-florida-pastor-quran-burning

This is the same guy that backed this movie.. he was aware that his warped hate and racism could cost lives of US Military back then, yet he went ahead with a film that would enrage the same hate towards Americans and cause more deaths..

Is this really about Free Speech or more about some Racist fukktard that has no consideration for the lives of US Personal and Military overseas.

If you're such a strong proponent of Free Speech then I guess you will also defend the right of the Westboro Baptist Church to protest at Military funerals.???

 

[Colpy]

First Amendment to the United States Constitution

In the area of free speech, does the right to speak your mind include the right to use offensive language that could start a fight or incite a riot?

First Amendment to the United States Constitution legal definition of First Amendment to the United States Constitution. First Amendment to the United States Constitution synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.



*shrugs*

aagh, my forum stalker with his point forum reply.. Spending way to much time on a reply. Too long, didn't read.

You need to read your own reference:

"Fighting words also should be distinguished from speech that is merely offensive. Crude or insensitive language may be heard in a variety of contexts—at work, on television, even at home. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that speech that merely offends, or hurts the feelings of, another person—without eliciting a more dramatic response—is protected by the First Amendment. The Court has also underscored the responsibility of receivers to ignore offensive speech. Receivers can move away or divert their eyes from an offensive speaker, program, image, or message. In one case, the Court ruled that a young man had the right to wear, in a state courthouse, a jacket with the slogan **** the Draft emblazoned across the back, because persons at the courthouse could avert their eyes if offended (Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15, 91 S. Ct. 1780, 29 L. Ed. 2d 284 [1971]). "One man's vulgarity," the Court said, "is another's lyric," and the words chosen in this case conveyed a stronger message than would a sublimated variation such as Resist the Draft."

 

[B00Mer]

Colpy, you're a Canadian citizen, living in Canada.. wtf.. I would like to see you do a similar movie here in Canada and see what happens to you..

Just post it here first so we can all get a laugh.. and hope Youtube does not pull it. LOL

 

[Colpy]

Colpy, you're a Canadian citizen, living in Canada.. wtf.. I would like to see you do a similar movie here in Canada and see what happens to you..

Just post it here first so we can all get a laugh.. and hope Youtube does not pull it. LOL

Yeah, well there are some ways in which Canada badly needs to catch up to the USA.

I would never be convicted in a Canadian courtroom.

However, I would be hauled before the HRC "human rights" kangaroo courts.......

 

[taxslave]

Yeah, well there are some ways in which Canada badly needs to catch up to the USA.

I would never be convicted in a Canadian courtroom.

However, I would be hauled before the HRC "human rights" kangaroo courts.......

Only if they thought you had enough loot to make it worth their while .

 

[BaalsTears]

The exercise of First Amendment rights on American soil trumps the religious sensitivities of foreign nationals outside of America. Case closed.

Yeah, well there are some ways in which Canada badly needs to catch up to the USA.

I would never be convicted in a Canadian courtroom.

However, I would be hauled before the HRC "human rights" kangaroo courts.......

If you are hauled before the HRC human rights kangaroo court you will have to hire an attorney and spend a lot of money. It's easier to be silent. That's the objective of the HRC.

 

[skookumchuck]

Only if they thought you had enough loot to make it worth their while .

I'm sure Daddy "lawfare" Warman would be tempted, he has had a run of bad luck lately and may have to cough up some of his ill gotten gains. There is an actual trial coming with a real life judge.

 

[darkbeaver]

Or are you saying you can't separate reality from fiction?

Are you suggesting that you can?

 

[L Gilbert]

When a video is made that mocks a group of people's beliefs and there is loss of life the video makers should be held responsible

You make a mockery of being liberal.

 

[earth_as_one]

Absolutely. It amazes me how many people think that if you aren't calling for this film makers head on a platter, then you are defending him. Nothing can be further from the truth.

Don't you believe that because I support universal human rights, freedom and justice and oppose injustice and oppression (including that suffered by Palestinians), that I must support Palestinian war crimes? Nothing could be further from the truth.

For the record I only support non-violent resistance to oppression and injustice only. IMO these forms of resistance are far more likely to lead to peace than violence and war crimes.

EAO
This is just a taste of what you support
Iran foundation boosts reward to $3.3-million for death of author Rushdie, after Prophet

....

What a load of BS Goober. Don't you ever tire of attributing to me opinions I don't have? I support the right of Rushdie to write crappy books which insult Islam and profit from the resulting notoriety. His book regarding Mohammad should have been denounced and then ignored.

For the record, this is my opinion of Iran

eao:
...Iran is an oppressive religious state with an abysmal human rights record. I oppose Iran's discrimination based on religion, gender and sexual orientation. They have the death penalty. So I also don't support Canada having close relations with Iran. I also find holocaust denial objectionable, but diversionary...
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...-diplomatic-relations-iran-2.html#post1645573

Holocaust denial is a good example of how we in the west impose limits on freedom of speech. While some people may find holocaust denial as offensive as some Muslims found this movie, as far as I know, holocaust denial has never led to any riots or deaths (unlike this movie which was deliberately designed to be as offensive as possible and trigger riots and protests) although it has caused professors to loose tenure and laws limiting free speech associated with the holocaust have led to prison sentences.

Since the Innocence of Muslims film's primary purpose was to generate hate and insult an entire religion... its not that different in nature from holocaust denial and therefore should be treated the same way.

IMO, Legitimate research into Mohammad's life and the Nazi death camps should be protected, while hate propaganda against Muslims, Jews or any other identifiable group should be discouraged. (legal, but denounced and the author discredited) Those of you who believe that Holocaust Denial should remain illegal, yet support this film despite its obvious hate inspired nature are hypocrites.

Back on subject:
IMO, this film triggered the riots, but the 14 people who died in the attack (4 American diplomats, 10 Libyan police officers and security personnel) referenced in the OP were the result of heavily armed militants who took advantage of the riots... That attack was going to happen anyway, regardless of the movie.

IMO, reports of this attack which only mention the diplomat deaths, ignore the sacrifices of Libyan security and police officials and did not report the Libyan protests against these attacks (This attack does not represent Libya or Muslims)... are not just incomplete, inaccurate and misleading... some reports are anti-Muslim, anti-Libyan hate propaganda... and not that different in intent than the offending movie.

 

[SLM]

Don't you believe that because I support universal human rights, freedom and justice and oppose injustice and oppression (including that suffered by Palestinians), that I must support Palestinian war crimes? Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nice edit from "Aren't you the person who believes" to "Don't you believe".

Are you absolutely certain you want to know what I think about all those threads, and the patterns of behaviour contained within them, that I rarely, if ever, venture into? Because I can make it a habit to visit them on a regular basis and I have no compunctions whatsoever about speaking my mind.

 

[earth_as_one]

I often don't get the right nuance on first pass and I also make typos. Sue me...

 

[Goober]

I often don't get the right nuance on first pass and I also make typos. Sue me...

Add facts,changing Members Posts, lying, slanderous comments to the list of errors that we are all familiar with.

 

[SLM]

I often don't get the right nuance on first pass and I also make typos. Sue me...

Right. So it was all about quoting my reply to this post about cause and effect and the principals that deals with....

I'm not saying it is OK. I think it was dumb. But it was not a crime. He should no more be jailed than you should be for those posts regardless whether you were trying to make a point.

Yes... they riot and flip out over slights to their religion. So you are saying that because they flip out we should make it illegal to make anything that could be offensive to Islam. Whereas we can insult every other religion as we wish because they Buddist, Christians, etc don't riot.

Basically you're bowing down to them.

...and making it all about you.

 

[earth_as_one]

I find your sudden realization that its wrong to assume that just because someone doesn't support one extreme viewpoint, they must therefore support the opposing extreme viewpoint position enlightening. Too bad you don't consistently apply this reasoning.

 

[EagleSmack]

Look, I'm all for Free Speech..

However, the film maker went one step further past just making a film to insult Islam, he claimed to be Jewish. That means he was trying deliberately to incite a riot or extreme anger from the Muslims.

Now, if he just made this film.. without lying about being a Jew, then I would be all for his right to Freedom of Speech. Stupid film, poor taste, and sad Americans were killed..

It does not appear that you are.

I'm no fan of Islam, and I do defend Free Speech, but when it used to incite a riot, I don't agree..

So all the offended group needs to do is riot?

If you're such a strong proponent of Free Speech then I guess you will also defend the right of the Westboro Baptist Church to protest at Military funerals.???

The Westboro Baptist Church does protest at military funerals. They have the right to, do they not?

 

[B00Mer]

Hezbollah protests over anti-Islam film - 17 September 2012 | World news | guardian.co.uk

Great Hezbollah now starting up protests over the video.. :roll:

Never let a crisis go to waste..

It does not appear that you are.

Well I do support Free Speech and Responsible Speech.

So all the offended group needs to do is riot?

Look, if the US government tells you not to burn the Koran because it will put American Soldiers at risk and American persons overseas, then you go out and back a movie instead..

You have been warned that your actions will cost lives. I don't call that Free Speech, sorry. I call it reckless behavior, and so far has cost 6 US lives.

The Westboro Baptist Church does protest at military funerals. They have the right to, do they not?

I have a solution for people like the Westboro Baptist Church or the film maker.. a 5 cent solution..

The film maker is lucky that I'm not the son or related to Christopher Stevens, because I guarantee he would be dead by now.. Just pull my L42 Enfield out of the closet and polish it up..

 

[Colpy]

Hezbollah protests over anti-Islam film - 17 September 2012 | World news | guardian.co.uk

Great Hezbollah now starting up protests over the video.. :roll:

Never let a crisis go to waste..



Well I do support Free Speech and Responsible Speech.



Look, if the US government tells you not to burn the Koran because it will put American Soldiers at risk and American persons overseas, then you go out and back a movie instead..

You have been warned that your actions will cost lives. I don't call that Free Speech, sorry. I call it reckless behavior, and so far has cost 6 US lives.



I have a solution for people like the Westboro Baptist Church or the film maker.. a 5 cent solution..

The film maker is lucky that I'm not the son or related to Christopher Stevens, because I guarantee he would be dead by now.. Just pull my L42 Enfield out of the closet and polish it up..

Much as I like Remington .357 Magnum 125 grain semi jacketed hollow points.........

You are shooting in the wrong direction.

How silly do you have to be to come under attack and start shooting at the folks inside the house??

 

[Nuggler]

Yep, betcha their "manhunt" took all of five minutes. Thanks Islamic friends.:roll:

It's spelled D I P L O M A T S.

Mates are friends. Or mating is something you probably do with a goat.............mate.