Brutality & Violence from Union Protestors

darkbeaver

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In case you have forgotten, when unions were stronger the government did not allow exporting of jobs. MADE IN THE USA was something we were all proud of.

They won't believe you gopher, they laughed when we marched against free trade in the early eightys because it was plain as pigeon **** that exporting all the good jobs was the plan. It happened exactly that way and still some people want to bend to the limit. Starving their children will bring the good times somehow. I cannot understand that.
 

petros

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Unions aren't about freedom of assembly.

They're about making money for union heads.

It gets even better, even though you have to pay those union dues, you aren't protected by or served by the union you pay them too.
That sounds like some Right winger nutter conspiracy theory. Any ancient aliens involved who are lead by Elvis out of the Pentagon?

Dues get you $5 an hour in pensions.

At one point, Unions stood up for the little guys against the bullies, be they
companies, gov't, etc...and that was a good thing.

Now it seems different. I watched the video. They've become the bullies
much of the time. That's not a good thing.
Are they beating and shooting Execs using hired thugs to do the dirty work?

Funny you should bring up mining, when I worked for Dynatec Mining, another anti union company, we got paid union wages, and received union benefits.
The anti-union company was so despeate they had to run under permit? That's hilarious.
 

JLM

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Are they beating and shooting Execs using hired thugs to do the dirty work?

I'm not sure if you recognize the irony in that statement. Do you remember John Fryer, biggest f**king a$$hole shipped out of England and former head honcho of B.C.G.E.U. We walked the picket line in the pouring rain for two weeks based on what the jerk told us he was going to get us. At the end of two weeks we were able to get about two bits which he urged us to accept, in exchange for the gov't sending a sh*tload of money to some third world country. Those A$$holes (top union honchos and top execs and gov't echlons) are all in bed together. The man on the end of the shovel is on his own while the Union is bleeding him for dues. I told the A$$hole as much too. The Union didn't like me, but they took the dues no problem!
 

petros

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I'm not sure if you recognize the irony in that statement. Do you remember John Fryer, biggest f**king a$$hole shipped out of England and former head honcho of B.C.G.E.U. We walked the picket line in the pouring rain for two weeks based on what the jerk told us he was going to get us. At the end of two weeks we were able to get about two bits which he urged us to accept, in exchange for the gov't sending a sh*tload of money to some third world country. Those A$$holes (top union honchos and top execs and gov't echlons) are all in bed together. The man on the end of the shovel is on his own while the Union is bleeding him for dues. I told the A$$hole as much too. The Union didn't like me, but they took the dues no problem!
Why did it take the BC Govt two weeks to cough up a measly 2 bits when it cost 4 bits to see the BC Govt do a high diving act?
 

JLM

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Why did it take the BC Govt two weeks to cough up a measly 2 bits when it cost 4 bits to see the BC Govt do a high diving act?

When you add two bits to the pay of 30,000 employees, that two bits is for eternity, whereas the "high diving act" is a one time payout (not to mention God knows what favours in return)
 

petros

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When you add two bits to the pay of 30,000 employees, that two bits is for eternity, whereas the "high diving act" is a one time payout (not to mention God knows what favours in return)
BC...

It's an expensive place to visit and I wouldn't want to live there. LOL

These days if you want a 2 bit raise in BC you have to work in the tourism/hospitality industry and the two bits comes as a tip from somebody from SK or AB.
 

Ron in Regina

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Are they beating and shooting Execs using hired thugs to do the dirty work?

Power corrupts, etc...& I base my opinion on more than just the video in the O.P.,
but who where the physical antagonists in the O.P.?

You and I are both local (as in 'here' :lol:) so we'll both remember that Wheat Pool
Viterra thing on Albert & Vic. I know several couriers (not even delivering to that
building, but needing access to that alley way) as the Union blocked them.

The Police (unionized) being present did nothing but time them. It seems they can
block the sidewalk for five minutes. At the five minute mark, they'd let one delivery van
through and then block the rest, etc...& it was just beyond ignorant. Fantastic Public
Relations. If you don't want to be seen as a pack of thugs & ****faces, don't be a pack
of thugs & ****faces. Seems pretty clear to me, and no....nobody was videotaping this
and it's not on YouTube.

I think the union concept is a good one, and they have done a lot of good at one point.
I believe they've evolved beyond what they once where though, and I don't think that
evolution has been all in a positive direction by any means.
 

earth_as_one

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Your surest job protection comes from putting your nose to the grindstone and out performing everyone else and don't whine!-:)

That's not necessarily true. The surest job protection and best pay comes from having a high demand skill and a shortage of qualified people. If you are a ditch digger and the labor market is full of unemployed ditch diggers, you probably have put your nose to the grindstone, accept poor working conditions and crappy pay.

I'd rather work smart for high pay than work hard for chump change.

At one point, Unions stood up for the little guys against the bullies, be they
companies, gov't, etc...and that was a good thing.

Now it seems different. I watched the video. They've become the bullies
much of the time. That's not a good thing.

Corporations dictate government policy and we the voters cheer the erosion of everything our grandparents fought so hard to achieve... safe working conditions, and reasonable compensation.. People have forgotten how bad it used to be.

Winnipeg General Strike
Winnipeg General Strike 1919

The only effective answer to organized greed is organized labor.
David Morris: When Unions are Strong, Americans Enjoy the Fruits of Their Labor
 

earth_as_one

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The solution is increasing the compensation of the underpaid so they are also fairly compensated rather than decreasing the pay of the fairly compensated so they are also underpaid.
 

Spade

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You could be right, but in my life time I've seen the letter rate go from 5 cents to 68 cents.
I use it so seldom now, my thinking may be out of date. We ship gift cards rather than parcels.

Sears delivers free!
My friend, Sears charges $69.95 to deliver from the nearest depot (even a block away) if the item is over 35 kg.
 

earth_as_one

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I'm sure our grandparents must be spinning in their graves. We are in the process of pissing away all the rights they fought so hard to achieve.

At some point people will figure out that Walmart, Home Depot and all these other union busting corporations are evil. Grinding poverty with no hope of a better future is a recipe for revolution. Eventually we'll have to riot and strike again to get fair compensation.
 

petros

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Power corrupts, etc...& I base my opinion on more than just the video in the O.P.,
but who where the physical antagonists in the O.P.?

You and I are both local (as in 'here' :lol:) so we'll both remember that Wheat Pool
Viterra thing on Albert & Vic. I know several couriers (not even delivering to that
building, but needing access to that alley way) as the Union blocked them.

The Police (unionized) being present did nothing but time them. It seems they can
block the sidewalk for five minutes. At the five minute mark, they'd let one delivery van
through and then block the rest, etc...& it was just beyond ignorant. Fantastic Public
Relations. If you don't want to be seen as a pack of thugs & ****faces, don't be a pack
of thugs & ****faces. Seems pretty clear to me, and no....nobody was videotaping this
and it's not on YouTube.

I think the union concept is a good one, and they have done a lot of good at one point.
I believe they've evolved beyond what they once where though, and I don't think that
evolution has been all in a positive direction by any means.
I doubt couriers that were Teamsters or Rail had any issues. That's what Brotherhood and Freedom of Assembly is all about and what it takes to protect Rights of the works. All workers. God bless em'. Utility and and trade Union workers can fill those alleys easily and with permits too.
 

lone wolf

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I'm sure our grandparents must be spinning in their graves. We are in the process of pissing away all the rights they fought so hard to achieve.

At some point people will figure out that Walmart, Home Depot and all these other union busting corporations are evil. Grinding poverty with no hope of a better future is a recipe for revolution. Eventually we'll have to riot and strike again to get fair compensation.
The rights Unions won weren't to be paid at rates that kill companies and force non-union people into destitution. Unions have become as greedy as investors.
 

JLM

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I'm sure our grandparents must be spinning in their graves. We are in the process of pissing away all the rights they fought so hard to achieve.

At some point people will figure out that Walmart, Home Depot and all these other union busting corporations are evil. Grinding poverty with no hope of a better future is a recipe for revolution. Eventually we'll have to riot and strike again to get fair compensation.

Partly true, perhaps! I know for a fact Walmart hires people who would otherwise have a tough time getting a job, so what we have is a person who is self sufficient and has pride in his/her work. Nothing evil about that!

The solution is increasing the compensation of the underpaid so they are also fairly compensated rather than decreasing the pay of the fairly compensated so they are also underpaid.

Not very observant are you? That has been exactly what's been happening for 60 years that I know of. Are they any better off than when I was digging fence post holes for 35 cents an hour? Not much. You still have quite a bit to learn about life! -:)