Brutality & Violence from Union Protestors

[petros]

Unions were created to protect workers when Government's didn't..

One time there was no minimum wage, or worker rights imposed by our governments.

Different time, different era and the Unions have out grown their usefulness, costing taxpayer and driving jobs out of the country to lower wage environments.

Apparently Govts don't protect workers anymore and don't back your right for freedom of association.

Freedom of association, not to be confused with free association, is the individual right to come together with other individuals and collectively express, promote, pursue and defend common interests.[1] The right to freedom of association has been included in a number of national constitutions and human rights instruments, including the United States Bill of Rights, European Convention on Human Rights and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

They are ****ing with the Charter and Bill of Rights and some morons cheer this on? WOW!

People damn well better be bashing heads if Govt is trying to take away RIGHTS.

 

[JLM]

The unions were created to protect workers when government didn't and they were part of
the social agenda for this country supporting increased benefits for ordinary people rather
than just giving the wealth of our resources away.
Well the fact is aside from lip service the government still does no properly involve itself
with workers rights. Oh they have a labour department and a labour board but it is a costume
design rather than a functional part of the agenda. What you get from the labour board most
of the time is excuses for the companies.
If you want to see the historic efforts of labour and the struggle for recognition go to Estevan
Sask, the old mine there still has a plaque remembering the workers who were murdered by the
RCMP and the sign reads just that.
During that dispute, and the Winnipeg Riots the police rode their hoses as part of the governments
goon squad, as the companies had bought and paid for the governments of the day.
No the Union is not always right and I have been critical of them myself for a couple of reasons
1 They have become content to be the money managers of the pension fund
2 They don't find new ways to get out into the workforce and organize unions for those at the
bottom of the pole as it were
I have my own company, I have been a business general manager but I still support the union
concept, Its more than about work, its about the direction our country is going in and the social
fabric of the nation. Unions have proved to be a progressive movement in those areas as well.

They can also kill the goose that lays the golden egg! Case in point postal union. Postage has gotten so high now, that people either don't use the post as there are other means today and if you have to ship a parcel, cheaper and just as fast to put it on the bus.

Unions were created to protect workers when Government's didn't..

One time there was no minimum wage, or worker rights imposed by our governments.

Different time, different era and the Unions have out grown their usefulness, costing taxpayer and driving jobs out of the country to lower wage environments.

Not hard to see where minimum wage has gotten us!

 

[damngrumpy]

The disputes and picket lines are the places where the steam is blown off, why do you think
the strike goes on for a while before the two sided begin to talk? It is to let off steam sometimes
on both sides. I am willing to be there are just as many fools in the halls of management as
there is on the union picket line.
Some also don't realize the picket line is not always the safest place to be for striking workers
either. I have seen a couple get carried away. When travelling with union bargaining agents
from CLC decades ago we always stopped at the mining strike work sites. They would be in
the wilderness with a picket line, warm fire and a pallet of beer.
People don't realize either that more than ninety percent of the negotiations that take place in
this country are settled without a strike we rarely hear about those.

 

[petros]

They can also kill the goose that lays the golden egg! Case in point postal union. Postage has gotten so high now, that people either don't use the post as there are other means today and if you have to ship a parcel, cheaper and just as fast to put it on the bus.

Post is still far cheaper than courier. Bus is probably the most expensive.

 

[JLM]

Post is still far cheaper than courier. Bus is probably the most expensive.

We found the bus to be cheaper. Mind you with the bus you have to pick it up at the depot.

 

[petros]

We found the bus to be cheaper. Mind you with the bus you have to pick it up at the depot.

And that "savings" is marginal because you have to pick it up and there is no insurance unless you buy it. Post has $100 built in or full value for an extra buck or two.

 

[JLM]

And that "savings" is marginal because you have to pick it up and there is no insurance unless you buy it. Post has $100 built in or full value for an extra buck or two.

You could be right, but in my life time I've seen the letter rate go from 5 cents to 68 cents.
I use it so seldom now, my thinking may be out of date. We ship gift cards rather than parcels.

Sears delivers free!

 

[Cliffy]

You could be right, but in my life time I've seen the letter rate go from 5 cents to 68 cents.

The price of stamps didn't go up. The value of the dollar came down. I had more buying power at 44$ a week in '64 than I do now at about $300 week.
I was never a fan of unions, but I watch as we become more of a third world country with minimum wage becoming the norm and people turn on those who made a decent wage possible in the past. The divide and conquer tactics are obviously working as our jobs leave the country and our resources are given over to foreign interests. The government and their puppet masters have us fighting among ourselves as they stick it to us. Geezus folks, wake up or stock up on Vaseline. Youu have fallen for the diversionary finger pointing while you are being screwed from behind.

 

[petros]

You could be right, but in my life time I've seen the letter rate go from 5 cents to 68 cents.
I use it so seldom now, my thinking may be out of date. We ship gift cards rather than parcels.

Sears delivers free!

That's still cheap. In my lifetime I've seen a chocolate bar go from 8 cents to $1.60 and now there is GST on top of that.

$1.80 (GST inc.) to send a letter weighing upto 30grams anywhere in the world is damn cheap. No other company can do that.

 

[JLM]

The price of stamps didn't go up. The value of the dollar came down. I had more buying power at 44$ a week in '64 than I do now at about $300 week.
I was never a fan of unions, but I watch as we become more of a third world country with minimum wage becoming the norm and people turn on those who made a decent wage possible in the past. The divide and conquer tactics are obviously working as our jobs leave the country and our resources are given over to foreign interests. The government and their puppet masters have us fighting among ourselves as they stick it to us. Geezus folks, wake up or stock up on Vaseline. Youu have fallen for the diversionary finger pointing while you are being screwed from behind.

Me neither, I don't under these people who get themselves beholden to ANY organization (bowling teams excepted) whether it be a religious denomination, poltical party or union movement............they are all being ruled by someone else's thinking and whims. Just the fact they think they need support says a lot about them! (That Rhinocerus Party was tempting though)

That's still cheap. In my lifetime I've seen a chocolate bar go from 8 cents to $1.60 and now there is GST on top of that.

$1.80 (GST inc.) to send a letter weighing upto 30grams anywhere in the world is damn cheap. No other company can do that.

Yeah, but you have enough wads of money to choke a horse-

 

[captain morgan]

Maybe this is what people want to prevent by avoiding "right to work" {sic} laws.

Didn't see Michigan on that list... How they doing these days?.. I understand that I can get a helluva deal on a house in Uniontown (Detroit).

Yep, the UAW has done nothing but favors for that town

 

[petros]

I never knew you were for the destruction of US Bill of Rights and the Canadian Charter?

 

[captain morgan]

I never knew you were for the destruction of US Bill of Rights and the Canadian Charter?

Curtailing the union lock on certain jobs is actually an expression of support of the Bill of Rights.

Since when did a union have the ability to determine exactly who can work and under what conditions?

 

[petros]

Curtailing the union lock on certain jobs is actually an expression of support of the Bill of Rights.

Since when did a union have the ability to determine exactly who can work and under what conditions?

I could care less about Govt/Public employee unions but when Freedom of Assembly is gone for one, it's gone for all. Becareful in what you chose to support.

 

[captain morgan]

There is a fine line between Freedom of Assembly and trampling on the rights of others to engage in their business... How many times has a picket line been accidentally set up as to prevent people (staff and customers) from accessing a facility?

It's a 2-way street. having the raft of 'rights' that we see today have no use at all if they can be forced by one group at the expense of another

 

[petros]

If you **** with one right, you **** with them all. Use your noggin.

 

[captain morgan]

The other side of that coin is that certain groups may already be f*ckin' with those rights which has lead to this action.

 

[petros]

The rights of a fiction or a "dead hand"? Do you have a disdain over the Elks club? Would you go after the Elks club for doing their thing? If you take it away from one group you've taken it away from the Elks and ALL others too.

 

[lone wolf]

My biggest objection to Unions is the disparity in wages between Union and non-Union paycheques. Commerce always gears itself to those who can afford to pay more for their loaf of bread

 

[JLM]

My biggest objection to Unions is the disparity in wages between Union and non-Union paycheques. Commerce always gears itself to those who can afford to pay more for their loaf of bread

Be patient LW the gap is going to close!