KKK costume at Canadian Legion Halloween party disgusts many

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If you are so worried about what you do is PC or not don't get out of bed in the morning cause sure as hell some one will take offense. Thousands of Canadians died to protect your right to say "I hate..(insert your pick here)" and other than perhaps not many will agree with you, it is your right. I will even defend your right even though I may disagree with you. Up till the point that you advocate injuring or killing that group.
One of the problems with a democratic society.
The same goes for religion. I think that anyone that believes in a god has to be a few cards short of a deck however I will defend their right to believe what they want until they try to force their beliefs on me or anyone else.
 

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Pointing out that the point keeps going over your head isn't insulting...unless you find the truth insulting. Dressing up as any evil villain should be acceptable during Halloween. The costume is not god or bad, it is behavior. Like I said earlier, a costume may be inappropriate for certain places (ie: the sheep f..cker at a kids party) but even dressing up as Mel Gibson can be hateful if you spout anti-Jewish slurs. That doesn't mean a Mel Gibson costume is intrinsically hateful.

Right on.
 

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I suppose if you really wanted to be scary they could have dressed up as a priest.
It no longer matters, someone is going to pay the price for this and the members
will be booted out of the local Legion. This isn't about dressing up, for Halloween,
it is about thinking about where the party was and what the Legion is supposed to
stand for. We are living in interesting times to say the least. I for one don't think
these people thought this threw but it is too late. The general public is expecting
someone to pay the price for this and it won't go away anytime soon.
 

relic

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Doesn't bother me a bit,would have been better if a real black man had of played along. The PC thing has gotten wayyy out of hand,lighten th' fk up !
 

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Say whatever you want. No one has to accept what you say or take care not to say something that may offend you about your or your choice or opinion. There is over play when it comes to political correctness and there is also anti-politically correct crowd would would not care to live in the world they promote for the rest of us.
 

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No you can't. Laughing at your own inadequacies and insecurities is one thing. That is acceptable, especially if you initiate the exchange. But fingering others with mean-spirited, nasty verbage meant to demean and humiliate your target just so you can feel good about yourself is not acceptable. Someday you'll get it....

Who said anybody was even doing that?

I hear jokes about Maritimers, people from Nova Scotia, jokes about people who come from Irish and/or Scottish heritage, jokes about white people ALL THE TIME..... And even in these forums over the years, I've heard plenty of other members in here taking jabs at people from the Maritimers as being nothing but leeches off of the government, mooching off unemployment and having no desire to actually work (Which I suppose explains why so many from here sacrifice being with their families and children to work in Alberta to do all the jobs nobody there wants to do, because there's no jobs around here)

Then there are others who have no ill intentions to actually offend someone but just want to toss a little joke their way..... not to somehow feel better about themselves, but just for a simple laugh.

I have no problem with people tossing crap my way, especially if they don't mind it coming back at them.

In the end of the day, do you really think a light-hearted joke is going to seriously ruin someone's day, let alone the rest of their life?

If you get offended by someone cracking a joke, then speak up, let everybody know how much of a prude you are, and more often then not, those around you will heed your request....... usually not out of respect, but just so they don't have to listen to you whine anymore :p

I disagree. Wearing a Nazi uniform, no matter the intent, hurts people. Dressing up as a lynch victim, how is that not hurtful? It isn't necessary for the intent to be there. Actions can be hurtful nonetheless. Were their actions criminal? I never said that they were. However, they were stupid. The two men in question agree with that assessment.

Some things should not be Halloween costumes. This was one of them.

So with that frame of mind, I can say I find it hurtful and degrading that so many people attempt to dress up like Irish as if they're actually Irish to begin with and use St. Patrick's Day as an excuse to get drunk, smash things up and get into fights..... because after all, "that's what all Irish people do?"

Maybe I should go to the government or the courts and have the whole thing shut down, or make it illegal for people to depict the Irish if they're not actually Irish, because they're being ignorant and racist.

^ My point being is that dressing up as something is not actually the problem.... it's the intent of the individual who's dressed up that matters the most and it's their intent that differs between something meant as a joke, a joke in bad taste, or supposed to be deliberately offensive and meant to degrade a particular group of society.
 

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Does this picture not offend you.......and it wasn't even posted by Fox;-)

 

Praxius

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At least know that when you do something stupid prepare for a backlash.

^ Exactly.... that's why in one of my first posts on this topic, I said I don't see the big deal with these guys dressing up as they do..... just as I wouldn't see the big deal if they got the living crap beaten out of them.

They should have been fully aware some would be offended and not get their joke and there's a chance someone might confront them about it.

In the news last night they had the guy who dressed as the black guy on the phone claiming that he's probably going to have to leave down and live somewhere else because it's "Affecting my private life" and "I have people at work asking me what I was thinking."

^ Sounds like the consequences are taking effect as I predicted.
 

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Exactly the points I've been trying to make, but apparently they fly over some people's heads. That's OK they are probably people you wouldn't want to spend much time with anyhow. Many years ago a woman at a party asked me "What's black and blue and lies in the gutter"? "You, you S.O.B. if you tell any more Ukranian jokes". I kind of respected her for that and switched to Irish jokes. :smile:
 

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These people went to a masquarade event.

Their wearing a KKK hood and a blackface is absolutely NO MORE offending - especially in view of the fact that it WAS a masquarade event - than people wearing T-shirts depicting the image of mass murderer Che Guerrera. Of Fidel Castro. Or the worst mass murderer in history, Mao Tse Tung.
 

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I have many friends who, if they wore this costume, I'd find it downright hilarious because they are not racist, and would be poking fun at idiots, much like many Halloween costumes do. Without knowing who's under the 'hood' it's hard to know what context they meant it in, but I can't imagine myself picking up a phone to freak out on someone about it.
 

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After reading through this thread...I now understand why the CHRC inquisition has managed to survive all these years......political correctness remains alive and well....down with free expression{speech).....
 

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I'm really busy at work today and truly wish I could put more effort into my response. Alas, those with more time on their hands are able to put forth their thoughts without too much rebuttal on this side. But I'll get back to you soon. And with more force, I promise.

Hate in all it's forms is a major blight on humanity. Full stop. You think I'm against freedom of speech? Far from it. Say and do what you will but expect a backlash if you cross my path with vile, hateful deeds.

Whining huh. Only when it comes from someone else eh Prax. Your rants could never be considered whining...just cold hard facts huh. Oy vey! I'm just taking a stand here man. Get used to it.
 

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Pointing out that the point keeps going over your head isn't insulting...unless you find the truth insulting. Dressing up as any evil villain should be acceptable during Halloween. The costume is not god or bad, it is behavior. Like I said earlier, a costume may be inappropriate for certain places (ie: the sheep f..cker at a kids party) but even dressing up as Mel Gibson can be hateful if you spout anti-Jewish slurs. That doesn't mean a Mel Gibson costume is intrinsically hateful.

Right, so it's a way out...a cover if you will.

Unless someone comes right out and says it they aren't being hateful.

Got it.

At least you understand why someone could be offended.

After reading through this thread...I now understand why the CHRC inquisition has managed to survive all these years......political correctness remains alive and well....down with free expression{speech).....

Does someone have a right to be offended?

I never said anything about banning costumes, arresting people for poor judgement nor did I call the two guys at the legion racist.

Can you understand why a black person would find that costume offensive?

REad your posts- that you don't think the thread is deteriorating. Or do you just type a bunch of piffle for the hell of it? :smile:

I wrote them.

If you are going to start calling me names then I suppose you are leading the way JLM.

Do you want to go down that road...I don't.

Now explain why a priest pediphile is offensive and a KKK turd leading around a guy in black face around by a rope isn't offensive.

"It's Halloween for f*ck sake."
 

karrie

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Can you understand why a black person would find that costume offensive?


I totally get why a black person would be pissed at that costume. I'm sure others would also understand why I'd leave a party in distress over any zombie costume that looks 'decayed'. And why my girlfriend who lost her brother and a year later her husband, would be offended at any 'crash victim' costume being awarded a prize.

Finding things offensive doesn't mean that others need to take you into account when dressing in the morning.
 

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Avro I wrote them. If you are going to start calling me names then I suppose you are leading the way JLM. Do you want to go down that road...I don't. Now explain why a priest pediphile is offensive and a KKK turd leading around a guy in black face around by a rope isn't offensive. [B said:
"It's Halloween for f*ck sake."[/B]

Being offensive isn't the point. It doesn't matter what you do or say, someone somewhere will be offended. Bad taste is another thing but still in the eyes of the beholder. The last sentence in your post says it all. If you are going to be offended by Halloween goings on, stay in your house and lock your doors and remember bad taste and political incorrectness can be comical. :smile:
 

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Whining huh. Only when it comes from someone else eh Prax. Your rants could never be considered whining...just cold hard facts huh. Oy vey! I'm just taking a stand here man. Get used to it.

Good for you, have a cookie.

There are justified situations that warrant complaints and reporting to officials over racially-related incidences..... and then there are those situations where something is blown way out of proportion because some people have a stick shoved so far up their own ass, they can't feel comfortable in their lives unless they bitch and moan about something to let some of the pressure out.

I just fart... that releases enough pressure for me daily.

And so far, none of my posts in here (this thread) are whining since I'm not complaining some injustice has been committed and complaining that someone should be held accountable or tossed in jail for something that was in reality..... pretty trivial and there was no intention to do any serious harm to anybody.

But hey, I'm not the one having a problem with "Cold Hard Facts" to dub them as whining..... which is quite a stretch.

Anyways, in related news:

We're not racist, KKK costumes a mistake: former cop
We're not racist, KKK costumes a mistake: former cop - CTV News

CAMPBELLFORD, Ont. — A former police officer who donned blackface for a Halloween party and was led around on a rope by a friend dressed as a Ku Klux Klansman says he's sorry. "It was a stupid thing. In hindsight now, we should have never done it," Terry Nunn told The Canadian Press on Thursday, adding he's terribly embarrassed and ashamed.

"With my background I should have realized that maybe somebody might have been offended," he said.

Nunn, who was Toronto's police officer of the year in 1981, is a former homicide detective and director of legal services for the Toronto Police Association who retired in 2006.

He worked on high profile cases such as the 1990 sex killing of six-year-old Andrea Atkinson and the 1995 drug-fuelled murder of Dr. Carolyn Warrick, 29, in an underground garage.

Nunn said he is in "no way, shape or form" a racist and neither is his friend Blair Crowley who wore the Klansman garb.

"I don't believe in the KKK," he told Toronto radio station AM640.

He bought a plaid shirt and the black hairspray that he used on his face only hours before the Royal Canadian Legion's party in Campbellford, Ont., last Saturday night, he said.

They won the prize for most original costume at the party, which was open to the public. Neither man is a legion member.

But what was supposed to be a night of fun to celebrate Halloween has turned into a nightmare of controversy for the pair.

"I never thought it would get this far that they would close down the legion," he said, adding he hopes they will reopen the branch in Campbellford.

Nunn said he and Crowley might apologize in person to Mark Andrade, the black owner of Rubbs Barbeque Bistro. He arrived at the legion just in time to see Nunn and Crowley get their prize. He later complained.

However, their costumes weren't the only ones in poor taste. Another man was dressed as a Nazi chef and had "a little Hitler moustache," said Nunn.

Crowley's wife Marsha said her husband admits he should have thought more about his outfit.

"It was just a last-minute 'Well, what am I going to wear? There's a bedsheet. Well I'm not going as a ghost.' And we had a piece of bristol board and kind of rolled it up and that was his costume," said Crowley from their home in Hastings on Thursday.

Her husband also wore a U.S. Confederate flag on his back.

Crowley said her husband is no racist, adding his best friend is black.

"They're two great guys. They're not racist. They didn't mean nothing by it. They're really sorry it's gotten this far but they can't take it back. What's done is done," Crowley said.

She described her husband as a "teddy bear" and a motorcycle buff who has for years taken part in charity rides, including the Ride for Sight.

The Crowleys have kept their son home from school for a couple of days. Nunn said the incident has been difficult for his three stepchildren at school.

The former officer, who ran for Trent Hills council in the recent municipal election but finished last among the candidates, said he may have to move out of Campbellford if the controversy continues.

Nunn apologized on the radio to Trent Hills Mayor Hector Macmillan.

The mayor said Thursday he knows who Nunn is but he hasn't spoken to either of the men since the incident.

"They did a dumb thing. They did a stupid thing and have apologized for it and it's time to move on," he said.

Legion officials have decided to close the Campbellford branch indefinitely while they assess what happened and what steps should be taken.

Macmillan said the timing couldn't be worse, with the yearly poppy campaign in full swing and Remembrance Day next week.

"It's too bad something like this is overshadowing that," the mayor said.

A spokeswoman for the legion's Ontario Command said it was hoped the investigation would be complete in time for the Remembrance Day service.
Well hopefully this should clarify a few things up many were speculating on...... and their intentions and explanations sound a lot like what I have been saying all along.

Besides, even the original guy who complained and was offended said himself that it's time to move on

Fact Mr_Pockets :lol:
 

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I totally get why a black person would be pissed at that costume. I'm sure others would also understand why I'd leave a party in distress over any zombie costume that looks 'decayed'. And why my girlfriend who lost her brother and a year later her husband, would be offended at any 'crash victim' costume being awarded a prize.

Finding things offensive doesn't mean that others need to take you into account when dressing in the morning.

I never said that.

If you choose the wear a Hitler outfit and carry around a bowl of Jew eyeballs prepare for a backlash.

These guys made an error in judgment and understood this error after the fact.

However whenever dumb things like this happen the first reaction is to say it's only Halloween, lighten up. Or we will ban costumes and set up pc panels to decide what people can and cannot wear.

All anybody has to say is, "yeah, I can see how some people might find that offensive".

Many don't as it has been displayed here, you are not allowed to be offended but you sure are allowed to be offensive.