As to the raw data, NASA code and raw data is available at their site. CRU has made all the data available that they are legally allowed to make public. They are a third party holder in many cases,and are not allowed to give up that data, no matter how many FOIA requests they get. The larger point is, if someone doesn't like CRU because they can't get access to all of the raw data (some of which was scratched on parchment in the 1800's), then pick another data set measuring the same variable. They all show the same thing.
If you want to see data, try the links from these pages:
Climate Data Links « Open Mind
RealClimate: Data Sources
Open and public debates has been done...a number of times. I don't see that one more time is going to matter, but we'll get more of it anyways. For many people the thought of spending time watching scientists debate the intricacies of atmospheric chemistry and physics is incredibly boring.
The IPCC , the US Climate Change Science Program reports, and other related national programs is where the chips fall. In some cases these synthesis reports, which are very conservative estimates of reality, are underestimating magnitude and pace of changes.
Besides which, I don't think I like the idea of science and related policy matters being left to the whims of the mob. Anyone who thinks "It's happened before" is a relevant point is clearly not up to par on very basic levels of understanding, to even grasp what the salient points are.
Funny you specificly mention NASA, as they're in the news today, being sued to
release data on this subject. Weird...
Debate has already been done with all the facts laid out on all sides...publicly, for
all to examine each other's data....without agendas? Nothing hidden or held back
or manipulated or massaged? Repeatable and verifable? I'm not knocking one side
or the other...any other...I just want to know that I'm not being manipulated
to fatten anyones pockets based on stupidity or lies...no matter which way this
thing plays out. Right now, I don't have have that feeling from any of the sides
on ths issue.
The idea of science and related policy matters being left to the whims of the mob,
if the mob will have to live with, and pay for, policies based n this information? I
think the 'mob' deserves more credit, assuming all the cards are on the table.
Nobody wants to swim in their own filth, or be lied to and taken advantage of.
I think the 'mob' deserves more credit and respect than it's being given.
You & I....all of us...are this 'mob.' I'll take the center until I see which way I have
to jump without anyone elses agenda. That's just me.
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