Your thoughts on the election results?

[Praxius]

Meet the New Boss.......

..... Same as the Old Boss.

Disapointing to say the least... then again, still not all that suprising.... people are just too damn scared to vote anything else into power besides the same old routine everybody's used to for decades.

Another minority Conservative government...... wow.... talk about a 98% complete waste of time.

And I don't say 100% waste of time because of two things that might benifit out of all of this:

#1 - the NDP are graining some steam and overall I feel they ran the best campaign and answered the most straight forward.... so long as they keep this up, they can only improve.

#2 - The Liberals should finally realize just how much of a stupid mistake it was to have Dion as their leader and to follow with that stupid Green Shift plan. With any luck, they'll can his ass and replace him with someone who most can understand and who might actually answer questions directly and to the point.

Oh.... and in regards to the Greens.... May sure as hell requires some education and experience in politics 101. She shouldn't have picked a fight with Peter McKay in his home town, where she isn't actually from..... where his father held the position for a long time before him at that. I would have loved to see McKay get voted out of power..... but seriously.... against May, he already won.

She should have setup camp elsewhere in Nova Scotia and she might have actually had a seat today in Ottawa.

Secondly, she's gotta control her big mouth. Having a strong opinion and unleashing the demon can be good from time to time, but not all the time..... people just lose interest and see you as a loud mouth who's in it for the simple fact that you're in it.

I'm glad that she's gotten her chance for her party to get into the debates and onto more ballots, but they have a long ways to go before people are going to take her seriously.

Back to the Liberals:

Here in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, as well as PEI, it was clearly apparent that the Green Shift certainly didn't have the Maritimes in mind when it was planned up, and most made it clear that it wasn't something they wanted to deal with. I was hoping that NDP would take my Halifax West area, but a Conservative took it from the Liberals, so to me I guess that will do.... as sucky as it sounds, I'd much rather the Conservatives take the area then the Liberals.

And the big thing I noticed was Newfoundland...... all Liberal except for one pocket of NDP which I believe was the first time any NDP held a position on the Island. Clearly Newfoundland wanted to send the message that d*cking over the maritimes over their resources won't fly..... too bad Nova Scotia didn't clue in.

Through all the minor changes, overall it was a big waste of time, and here we go..... back to more of the same, except with a bigger Conservative party and a crumbling Liberal Party.

Maybe this time they'll boot Dion out and put someone in who won't make the party walk out, not vote and not do their damn jobs.

 

[Tonington]

I agree with Dexter. When you nearly get a majority with the support of only 18 out of every 100 Canadians, or 26 out of every 100 eligible voters...something needs fixing.

Funny thing is, if the Prairies had the same representation as say NS or PEI, there would be a majority, and probably a fairly significant one...

 

[Nuggler]

Well, let's see now... We have a government with the support of less than 40% of the people who voted, almost half the eligible voters were so disengaged they didn't bother to turn out, a party dedicated to the destruction of this country got almost 50 seats with less than 10% of the vote, while a feisty and entertaining Green Party with 8% of the vote got nothing. I think something's wrong.

Dexter puts it very well.

Apathy's a great thing..........:angry3:

I expected a minority, con or lib, out of the same manure pile. Usually a minority means we don't get ripped all at once. The death of a thousand cuts, if you will, instead of an IED......whatever.......Guess we'll see.

Pretty expensive exercise in excreta.

 

[earth_as_one]

I am happy with the election results. Since Harper called this election in a cynical attempt to take advantage of a percieved weak Liberal leader to win a majority, I consider this election a marginal "Anything But Conservative" (ABC) success. I would have preferred to see a Liberal/NDP/Green minority, but this result is better than handing Harper unrestricted power to implement his neo-Con agenda. I agree something is wrong with the system when the Greens can't win a single seat despite their wide support.

Now that its clear Dion can't win an election, he will be replaced. I expect he will resign before someone stabs him in the back. Harper may face some internal dissent as a result of not winning a majority, but he can blame the result on the economy. Layton and May emerged from this election stronger and more credible.

The election has been a diversion at a time when our government should have been able to devout their undivided attention to managing the economic crisis. At least Finance minister Flaherty won re-election, so no one has to come up to speed on the issues.

Here are the results in my riding:

Mississauga South 2008
Lib 20475
Conservative 18476
NDP 4102
Green 3427

Its an almost idential result to 2006
Lib 23018
Con 20888
NDP 5607
Green 2393

I voted stratgically for the ABC candidate (Liberal) because I thought the Conservative might win. It was a closer race but not as tight as I anticipated.

I also noticed was that fewer people voted in this election. Probably because the election wasn't based on an issue.

 

[scratch]

Let's add some fuel to this discussion.

Job creation from Quebec to the rest of Canada:

......Giant Tiger
......Shoppers Drug Mart (IMASCO)
......RONA Hardware
......Corbeil Appliances & Electronics
......PJC (Pharmacie Jean Coutu)

What other province has done this?

If they have, please name them.

Two Solitudes

Hugh MacLennan

Winner of the 1945 Governor General's award.

Subjects:
Literature & Literary Studies: Fiction

A landmark of nationalist fiction, Hugh MacLennan's Two Solitudes is the story of two races within one nation, each with its own legend and ideas of what a nation should be. In his vivid portrayals of human drama in prewar Quebec, MacLennan focuses on two individuals whose love increases the prejudices that surround them until they discover that "love consists in this, that two solitudes protect, and touch and greet each other."

Review quotes
"Canada should stage a coming-of-age party this year. We have produced two novels of the full stature of manhood [including] Hugh MacLennan's Two Solitudes ... Here is the substance of Canada, her countryside, her cities, her conflicting cultures, and, above all, her people." The Canadian Forum "Two Solitudes is the most impressive book that comes within my range this year ... The general theme of the meeting of the two cultures is excellent." The University of Toronto Quarterly

"Canada should stage a coming-of-age party this year. We have produced two novels of the full stature of manhood [including] Hugh MacLennan's Two Solitudes ... Here is the substance of Canada, her countryside, her cities, her conflicting cultures, and, above all, her people." The Canadian Forum "Two Solitudes is the most impressive book that comes within my range this year ... The general theme of the meeting of the two cultures is excellent." The University of Toronto Quarterly

Born in Glace Bay, Nova Scotia, Hugh MacLennan (1907-90) taught at McGill University from 1951 to 1981 and wrote novels and essays that helped define Canadian literature. His novels include Barometer Rising (1941); Two Solitudes (1945); Each Man's Son (1951); The Watch That Ends the Night (1959); Return of the Sphinx (1967), and Voices in Time (1980). He also published several nonfiction works including Cross Country (1949), Thirty and Three (1955), Scotsman's Return and Other Essays (1960), and The Colour of Canada (1967).

Since I have yet to read anything to the contrary, I would think that being in possession of the Quebec mentality and the Canadian mentality would be most advantageous to this situation.

One needs to understand.....if not then you are lost.

 

[scratch]

Let's add some fuel to this discussion.

Job creation from Quebec to the rest of Canada:

......Giant Tiger
......Shoppers Drug Mart (IMASCO)
......RONA Hardware
......Corbeil Appliances & Electronics
......PJC (Pharmacie Jean Coutu)

What other province has done this?

If they have, please name them.

....And just for good measure I will add Canadian Steamship Lines, or CSL, owned by Paul Martin,Jr. (although not Quebec born) but now residing on the south shore of Montreal.
....CSL has been a boon to Great Lake shipping and is now making inroads into the international scene....

....Hydro-Quebec has been a leader in hydro-electric power production and has upgraded its system regularly to be world class....has any other province done this........

....Montreal is one of the two official banking centres in Canada......

 

[lone wolf]

....And just for good measure I will add Canadian Steamship Lines, or CSL, owned by Paul Martin,Jr. (although not Quebec born) but now residing on the south shore of Montreal.
....CSL has been a boon to Great Lake shipping and is now making inroads into the international scene....

....Hydro-Quebec has been a leader in hydro-electric power production and has upgraded its system regularly to be world class....has any other province done this........

....Montreal is one of the two official banking centres in Canada......

You can take CSL off that list.... It's not even a totally Canadian company.

Shoppers Drug Mart, Giant Tiger, Loblaws and all the Mac's/Beckers/Mike's Mart conglomerate are Quebec-owned due to Canada kissing butt to keep them in the dominion. Nationalization of an out-of-country establishment isn't in the cards.

Hydro Quebec? What is it without the James Bay Power Project? The Cree Nation will take that with them when they separate from Quebec.

Harbours control? Talk to the Americans. They won't appease you. They will not take kindly to a French thumb on access to sixteen Great Lakes ports either. War with the states? You better learn to speak Amerrikun, boa ... and turn Baptist

 

[scratch]

You can take CSL off that list.... It's not even a Canadian company.

Shoppers Drug Mart, Giant Tiger, Loblaws and all the Mac's/Beckers/Mike's Mart conglomerate are Quebec-owned due to Canada kissing butt to keep them in the dominion. Nationalization of an out-of-country establishment isn't in the cards.

Hydro Quebec? What is it without the James Bay Power Project? The Cree Nation will take that with them when they separate from Quebec.

Harbours control? Talk to the Americans. They won't appease you. They will not take kindly to a French thumb on access to sixteen Great Lakes ports either. War with the states? You better learn to speak Amerrikun, boa ... and turn Baptist

Separation is a political tool.
Quebec will never separate, Canada is just too profitable.
.....by the way harbour control was in Quebec only....

And one other question:
Do you have a duo-mentality, have you experienced Quebec living?

Rather than `boa` snake would work.

I am Quebecois first and Canadian second.....

But the real question hasn't been answered.....

With all due respect, and that is not BS.

Regards,
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[lone wolf]

Separation is a political tool.
Quebec will never separate, Canada is just too profitable.
.....by the way harbour control was in Quebec only....

And one other question:
Do you have a duo-mentality, have you experienced Quebec living?

Rather than `boa` snake would work.

I am Quebecois first and Canadian second.....

But the real question hasn't been answered.....

With all due respect, and that is not BS.

Regards,
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Okay ... don't keep us in suspense... What is the real question?

You have answered why Canada should stop appeasing Quebec.... Long have I maintained separation is an extraction tool and national Quebec is greedy....

 

[Risus]

Okay ... don't keep us in suspense... What is the real question?

You have answered why Canada should stop appeasing Quebec.... Long have I maintained separation is an extraction tool and national Quebec is greedy....

What happened? I agree with wolf!

 

[scratch]

Okay ... don't keep us in suspense... What is the real question?

You have answered why Canada should stop appeasing Quebec.... Long have I maintained separation is an extraction tool and national Quebec is greedy....

Since the late 30s & early 40s the Quiet Revolution has been going on.

Recognition has always been the keystone for Quebec within Canada.

Quebec has achieved about 90% of its goal.

Quebec wants to be seen as a part of Canada and that is happening.

What Quebec wants is for the un-clued-in to clue in to what it is and say it.

Quebec cannot survive without Canada and Canada cannot survive without Quebec.

The question here is:

Will Canada ever recognize Quebec for what it is and not question its motives?

If Quebec is recognized and accepted as an equal partner in Canada the question of separation is mute.

If Quebec is seen as a `distinct society` the question is mute.

......as an aside IMO Canada (not including Quebec) is jealous of how Quebecers can move so freely not only within Canada but also throughout the world, while the balance of Canada cannot.....

Bilingualism and duo-mentality is something to admire and strive for....but too much of an effort for the rest of Canada.

Passion and pride is at the heart of this discussion, Quebecers have it and the rest of Canada does not.

I, as a buyer for the Hudson's Bay Company traversed this country more than six times and found the work ethic, the pride, the passion and ethics of other Canadians lacking.

I have answered to the best of my ability. A state of mind is something you have or you do not have.

The choice is open......you do or you don't.....

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[Tonington]

It's reasons like this "need to be recognized" that so many of us in the rest of Canada view Quebec as an attention seeking child. Do Acadians crave attention, and make tragedies of trivial matters?

Yeah, I get that you have a distinct society. I get that you're an equal part of Canada. I don't get your insatiable need for attention. Most kids grow out of having their mommy praise them for every scribbled picture...

 

[scratch]

It's reasons like this "need to be recognized" that so many of us in the rest of Canada view Quebec as an attention seeking child. Do Acadians crave attention, and make tragedies of trivial matters?

Yeah, I get that you have a distinct society. I get that you're an equal part of Canada. I don't get your insatiable need for attention. Most kids grow out of having their mommy praise them for every scribbled picture...

This is a `faux pas` but this is due to the influence of the Catholic church.

This you really do not want to experience, but it is part and parcel of the Quebec culture.

 

[Praxius]

The thing I see is not that other provinces are jelious of Quebec's attention whoring, they're pissed that Quebec continually gets special treatment over many other provinces who've had serious issues passed over and passed over for years with no attention or resolutions brought up to solve the issues..... Because the government is to damn busy catering to Quebec's attention whoring.

Of course people's pride and work ethic is all well and good in Quebec.... they've been getting pretty much everything they want since they joined Canada.

Visiting and running around the various provinces is one thing.... try living in one of them for a period of time..... try looking for a steady job that pays well..... try looking for a decent home to live in that is nearby most necessities...... try getting the government to do something your community needs without having your Quebec Badge of Seperation to wave around.

Don't tell me about the rest of Canada not having pride and passion compared to Quebec because you don't know a damn thing if that's what you think.

If you want Quebec to be treated as an equal partner then perhaps you guys should start acting like the rest of the provinces and stop bitching and moaning about leaving the union when you guys don't get what you want.

Quebec already got their distinct society identification a while back..... wtf more do you guys want? The whole "Nation within a Nation" Identity? It ain't gonna happen, and if it does, then the seperatist have what they need to finally go ahead with their goals.

With the right governments in place, Canada could very well live perfectly fine without Quebec.... and if Quebec was lucky enough to get people who know what they are doing, Quebec might do well on their own, but when it comes to who would crumble first when the seperation starts, Quebec would fall a lot faster and harder.

You speak of Quebec wanting to be seen as an equal part of the rest of Canada, well guess what? Quebec isn't..... Quebec is beyond an equal part of Canada..... ffs, you guys have your own political party inside the government which focuses completely on your province and interests.

I don't see BC, Alberta or Newfoundland with their own parties in Ottawa...... how the hell can you post those comments with a straight face? Honestly?

 

[lone wolf]

Proof of that pandering will occur when Parliament sits. To take a seat, a Member has to swear an Oath of Loyalty. How does one pledge loyalty to a nation it is your purpose to break up? In my book, that's called perjury....

 

[scratch]

The thing I see is not that other provinces are jelious of Quebec's attention whoring, they're pissed that Quebec continually gets special treatment over many other provinces who've had serious issues passed over and passed over for years with no attention or resolutions brought up to solve the issues..... Because the government is to damn busy catering to Quebec's attention whoring.

Of course people's pride and work ethic is all well and good in Quebec.... they've been getting pretty much everything they want since they joined Canada.

Visiting and running around the various provinces is one thing.... try living in one of them for a period of time..... try looking for a steady job that pays well..... try looking for a decent home to live in that is nearby most necessities...... try getting the government to do something your community needs without having your Quebec Badge of Seperation to wave around.

Don't tell me about the rest of Canada not having pride and passion compared to Quebec because you don't know a damn thing if that's what you think.

If you want Quebec to be treated as an equal partner then perhaps you guys should start acting like the rest of the provinces and stop bitching and moaning about leaving the union when you guys don't get what you want.

Quebec already got their distinct society identification a while back..... wtf more do you guys want? The whole "Nation within a Nation" Identity? It ain't gonna happen, and if it does, then the seperatist have what they need to finally go ahead with their goals.

With the right governments in place, Canada could very well live perfectly fine without Quebec.... and if Quebec was lucky enough to get people who know what they are doing, Quebec might do well on their own, but when it comes to who would crumble first when the seperation starts, Quebec would fall a lot faster and harder.

You speak of Quebec wanting to be seen as an equal part of the rest of Canada, well guess what? Quebec isn't..... Quebec is beyond an equal part of Canada..... ffs, you guys have your own political party inside the government which focuses completely on your province and interests.

I don't see BC, Alberta or Newfoundland with their own parties in Ottawa...... how the hell can you post those comments with a straight face? Honestly?

It isn't difficult.
All I had to do was live 17 years in another province.
You've made disparaging remarks about Quebec before and that is okay with me.
If the Bloc wanted into Federal politics it wasn't against the law, actually I'm surprised that other provinces didn't pick up on it.

I am just one person and I speak for myself and not for others.

Having the knowledge of other provinces, I do.

Speaking or voicing my opinion is my right as a member of our society.

IMPHO:

Prax,
You are pist that Quebec knows the `ropes` and you do not.
Good for Qc, too bad for you.

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[Praxius]

It isn't difficult.
All I had to do was live 17 years in another province.

Which one? Ontario? Alberta?

You've made disparaging remarks about Quebec before and that is okay with me.

I'm sick and tired of their whining and complaining. I'm sick of their threats of seperation. I'm sick of their nazi language police and control over other cultures and religions..... and I'm sick of people from Quebec telling us that we have it better then they do, which is why they bitch and moan all the time..... None of that I will apologize for.

If Nova Scotia was in a position like Quebec, we'd probably have seperated long ago, however this province has been milked and sucked out of every resource, all our youth to the oil sands, and nothing has been coming back this way, that we've been pretty well crippled to the point where we can't do anything...... and the fact that we have very little say in the government compared to other provinces.... such as Quebec..... we're not going to be able to get out of this hole anytime soon.

If the Bloc wanted into Federal politics it wasn't against the law, actually I'm surprised that other provinces didn't pick up on it.

Oh I picked up on it quite well..... they don't branch out of Quebec because they don't give a sh*t about anybody else except Quebec and their goals of seperating from Quebec.... why would they bother with anywhere else?

I am just one person and I speak for myself and not for others.

Having the knowledge of other provinces, I do.

Speaking or voicing my opinion is my right as a member of our society.

IMPHO:

Prax,
You are pist that Quebec knows the `ropes` and you do not.
Good for Qc, too bad for you.

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Your comments make no sense at all and looped with little tid bit anologies that explain nothing.

Quebec knows the ropes of what?

How to bitch the government out, stomp their feet and threaten seperation in order to get what they want ahead of other provinces who at least attempt to use the democratic process as it was orginially meant?

As a child, yeah I know those ropes very well..... it's called being a spoiled, whiny, prissy lil' b*tch-princess.

"Hey That's not fair! Mommy! How come brother Newfoundland gets a bigger deal then when I asked for one? It's not fair, I want a bigger one.... I want it I want it!!!!"

*Stomps Feet*

"Give me what I want or I'll run away and you'll never see me again!!.... and I'll report you to UN Child Protection of Nations and tell them how bad you treated me!"

*Mommy Government gives in and Gives Big Sister Quebec what she wanted*

"Ha ha! I got what I wanted and you guys suck..... na na nana naaaaa!"

"F*ck you Quebec!"

"Oh you're just jelious because we know the 'Ropes'."

"What? Being a B*tch who can't stand true equality?"

Hmmmmm.... yeah sounds the same.

Added:

If I had to live in a country where I had to continually bring up seperation or our "distinct society" all the damn time in order to get things done, then perhaps we shouldn't be in that country to begin with.

And if the democratic process has to stoop to that kind of level in order to get things done and to jump ahead of other provinces, then that's a pretty pathetic way of life.

It's people and attitudes like your own that make me wish for the day you guys seperate and piss off once and for all.

And keep in mind I have some pretty good levels of respect for just about every other province in this country, even the rich ones.... and no, it's not because they're all mostly english, it's because none of them act as childish as how Quebec does.....

It's got nothing to do with jeliousy..... it's more like shame. Shame knowing that a Province in this nation could continually stoop to these pathetic levels in order to get what they want, while all the other provinces attempt to operate within the current democratic system without having to resort to calling the seperation card.

Even when Newfoundland was freaking about the offshore deal, they never started with the seperation card to get what they wanted..... and heck, their society is a hell of a lot more distinct then Quebecs'

 

[scratch]

Which one? Ontario? Alberta?



I'm sick and tired of their whining and complaining. I'm sick of their threats of seperation. I'm sick of their nazi language police and control over other cultures and religions..... and I'm sick of people from Quebec telling us that we have it better then they do, which is why they bitch and moan all the time..... None of that I will apologize for.

If Nova Scotia was in a position like Quebec, we'd probably have seperated long ago, however this province has been milked and sucked out of every resource, all our youth to the oil sands, and nothing has been coming back this way, that we've been pretty well crippled to the point where we can't do anything...... and the fact that we have very little say in the government compared to other provinces.... such as Quebec..... we're not going to be able to get out of this hole anytime soon.



Oh I picked up on it quite well..... they don't branch out of Quebec because they don't give a sh*t about anybody else except Quebec and their goals of seperating from Quebec.... why would they bother with anywhere else?



Your comments make no sense at all and looped with little tid bit anologies that explain nothing.

Quebec knows the ropes of what?

How to bitch the government out, stomp their feet and threaten seperation in order to get what they want ahead of other provinces who at least attempt to use the democratic process as it was orginially meant?

As a child, yeah I know those ropes very well..... it's called being a spoiled, whiny, prissy lil' b*tch-princess.

"Hey That's not fair! Mommy! How come brother Newfoundland gets a bigger deal then when I asked for one? It's not fair, I want a bigger one.... I want it I want it!!!!"

*Stomps Feet*

"Give me what I want or I'll run away and you'll never see me again!!.... and I'll report you to UN Child Protection of Nations and tell them how bad you treated me!"

*Mommy Government gives in and Gives Big Sister Quebec what she wanted*

"Ha ha! I got what I wanted and you guys suck..... na na nana naaaaa!"

"F*ck you Quebec!"

"Oh you're just jelious because we know the 'Ropes'."

"What? Being a B*tch who can't stand true equality?"

Hmmmmm.... yeah sounds the same.

Okay Prax.

Take a downer.

It is what it is.

Not what it was.

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[Praxius]

Okay Prax.

Take a downer.

It is what it is.

Not what it was.

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Pickles fly in Space but not Under the Sea.....

See, I can throw a bunch of crap together too and get you to figure out what I'm trying to say.... it doesn't help the debate now does it?

You started this whole crap about Quebec, you can damn well finish it.

 

[scratch]

Pickles fly in Space but not Under the Sea.....

See, I can throw a bunch of crap together too and get you to figure out what I'm trying to say.... it doesn't help the debate now does it?

You started this whole crap about Quebec, you can damn well finish it.

It's over.