Your thoughts on the election results?
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Hmmm, doesn't say much for you, scratch. One of the worst defeats of a liberal party and he/you think dion was a winner?? Poor dion took personal hits on the 'front line'? What abouit Harper getting it from 4 parties/sides? Dion didn't hold the Conservatives to a second minority, it was the Bloc with a bit of NDP help. dion was only the second liberal leader never to become Prime Minister. That says something too. Dion is a loser. That is how he will be remembered.
His post sounds just like sour grapes to me....
Liking the thread does not mean that I agree with it.
I've read many that I have liked and not made a comment.
......Dion is a loser...so be it...could you have done better...and if so: How?
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So, instead of a first-past-the-post system, you prefer a 'biggest loss of seats' system?
I guess you'd have named Kim Campbell PM, then, I think in this respect she outdid Dion.
The Last Torie Government
This country is not really in good shape at all. We are talking about a red ink budget for next
year and I believe for a few more years after that. If and I mean if we go into something worse than a recession we will take a real hit.
Remember most thought we wouldn't have a recession at first and now it is clear we are in for a serious economic flu. The Conservatives have peaked.
They must replace Harper in the not too distant future, but he is a one man band so there is no one to take his place and still run a smooth machine.
The Liberals, well they have no money, no leader and no vision, and people now know it.
The NDP, they need to define themselves once and for all, where they are going, and what they would realistically would do.
Our country faces a leadership vacume with all the parties these days, and the voters know it that is why no one got a majority. The public at least has control of this bunch for now, they allowed the various parties and leaders to have a say and cooperate, but no one was given a real mandate to govern, and for the moment that is a good thing
This country is not really in good shape at all. We are talking about a red ink budget for next
year and I believe for a few more years after that. If and I mean if we go into something worse than a recession we will take a real hit.
Remember most thought we wouldn't have a recession at first and now it is clear we are in for a serious economic flu. The Conservatives have peaked.
They must replace Harper in the not too distant future, but he is a one man band so there is no one to take his place and still run a smooth machine.
The Liberals, well they have no money, no leader and no vision, and people now know it.
The NDP, they need to define themselves once and for all, where they are going, and what they would realistically would do.
Our country faces a leadership vacume with all the parties these days, and the voters know it that is why no one got a majority. The public at least has control of this bunch for now, they allowed the various parties and leaders to have a say and cooperate, but no one was given a real mandate to govern, and for the moment that is a good thing
I'm glad you agree that Harper is running a smooth machine... He destroyed the liberals, why would they want to replace him??
One thing I agree with is there are too many parties. Lets get back to the liberals aand Conservatives!
Harpers Machine
The Conservatives are running an internal smooth machine because Harper calls all the shots.
They should replace him because, he has gone as far as the party will likely go under his leadership, and in politics like sports, you must plan for the future.
The Liberals are in real trouble with no money no vision and no leadership, the Conservatives have people waiting in the wings to take the party to the next level, and if that doen't happen soon, new leaderhsip I mean, they will fade rather quickly. There are only two national parties now, the Conservatives and the NDP. Yes the NDP, they have representation in all regions of
Canada, and the Liberals run the risk of not being relevant in the future.
I believe the NDP and Conservatives actually have some principals and stand for some real vision of Canada, whether you agree with the visions is one thing as for the Liberals their only
vision is to get elected, and there is little substance after that.
Harper has to go, for the Tories to progress that is why they must think about who should lead
The Conservatives are running an internal smooth machine because Harper calls all the shots.
They should replace him because, he has gone as far as the party will likely go under his leadership, and in politics like sports, you must plan for the future.
The Liberals are in real trouble with no money no vision and no leadership, the Conservatives have people waiting in the wings to take the party to the next level, and if that doen't happen soon, new leaderhsip I mean, they will fade rather quickly. There are only two national parties now, the Conservatives and the NDP. Yes the NDP, they have representation in all regions of
Canada, and the Liberals run the risk of not being relevant in the future.
I believe the NDP and Conservatives actually have some principals and stand for some real vision of Canada, whether you agree with the visions is one thing as for the Liberals their only
vision is to get elected, and there is little substance after that.
Harper has to go, for the Tories to progress that is why they must think about who should lead
Bye Stevie, don't forget to visit. Yet you are right about the Liberals, no-one within their party wants the job, not even Bob Rae. If Bob doesn't want it well.........
I find it hard to believe that the liberals would want Rae to run the party anyway...
Is this news story relevant to the current direction of this thread?
Source: Election result made Bloc irrelevant
I quoted only a few paragraphs from the story, but its full context
can be read if anyone so desires.
The big story was not the Conservatives' failure to secure a majority, but their growing dominance as the only truly national party. There is no alternative government waiting in the wings. The Conservatives led the national popular vote by more than 11 per cent over the Liberals, who posted their worst showing ever. The Conservatives all but swept the West and are now the dominant party in Ontario.
By contrast, NDP support is thin and broadly dispersed. The Liberal party now is largely restricted to regional enclaves in Toronto and anglophone Montreal. Once known as Canada's natural governing party, it now has only a small toehold in Western Canada and francophone Quebec. Consequently, the rebuilding task that faces the Liberals goes well beyond a leadership review and may be the work of a generation rather than a few months or years.
At the same time, the fact that the Conservatives did not secure a majority means that parliamentarians will have to give serious consideration to how to make minority governments work. These could be the new normal, and we must find a way to get beyond paralyzing partisanship and constant threats of elections.
There was momentary fear on election night that the Bloc would trigger a backlash in Western Canada, as its 50 seats denied Stephen Harper a majority government. However, such a reaction didn't materialize when it became clear that the difference between a majority and a strong minority is almost inconsequential.
Harper does not have a majority, but neither does he face early defeat in the House. Thus the failure to capture more seats in Quebec is at best a minor blemish on a solid performance. The Conservatives will need some opposition support going forward, but that support is more likely to come from the Liberals and New Democrats. If Duceppe is waiting for the phone to ring, he will have a very long wait indeed.
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Source: Election result made Bloc irrelevant
I quoted only a few paragraphs from the story, but its full context
can be read if anyone so desires.
The big story was not the Conservatives' failure to secure a majority, but their growing dominance as the only truly national party. There is no alternative government waiting in the wings. The Conservatives led the national popular vote by more than 11 per cent over the Liberals, who posted their worst showing ever. The Conservatives all but swept the West and are now the dominant party in Ontario.
By contrast, NDP support is thin and broadly dispersed. The Liberal party now is largely restricted to regional enclaves in Toronto and anglophone Montreal. Once known as Canada's natural governing party, it now has only a small toehold in Western Canada and francophone Quebec. Consequently, the rebuilding task that faces the Liberals goes well beyond a leadership review and may be the work of a generation rather than a few months or years.
At the same time, the fact that the Conservatives did not secure a majority means that parliamentarians will have to give serious consideration to how to make minority governments work. These could be the new normal, and we must find a way to get beyond paralyzing partisanship and constant threats of elections.
There was momentary fear on election night that the Bloc would trigger a backlash in Western Canada, as its 50 seats denied Stephen Harper a majority government. However, such a reaction didn't materialize when it became clear that the difference between a majority and a strong minority is almost inconsequential.
Harper does not have a majority, but neither does he face early defeat in the House. Thus the failure to capture more seats in Quebec is at best a minor blemish on a solid performance. The Conservatives will need some opposition support going forward, but that support is more likely to come from the Liberals and New Democrats. If Duceppe is waiting for the phone to ring, he will have a very long wait indeed.
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I would bet that if there was another federal election tomorrow, the bloc number of seats would drop significantly. Its the hard core Quebecors who keep their support up. It will be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming provincial election in Quebec.
I was actually try'n to show the relevance of what a high seat count minority means in a
five party system, compared to a clear majority (which may be something that will happen
very seldom in the future with five parties). I guess there might be more/different points to
be made/argued than the one I was shooting for...
five party system, compared to a clear majority (which may be something that will happen
very seldom in the future with five parties). I guess there might be more/different points to
be made/argued than the one I was shooting for...
So Good Risus,
Look into your crystal ball and tell me what is going to happen in the next Quebec election?
My Sincere Regards to You,
scratch