When the government say something especially "If you are not with us........." you can be sure the are trying to ram something down our throats that they already know we would not like. Also can we trust them that extra latitude will not be taken?
Tories on e-snooping: ‘Stand with us or with the child pornographers’
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Too late:-(
Wasn't the last asshole to spout that the same one who said "Bring it on", and "Helluva job Brownie", and Watch this drive".
North America is in a sh it swamp.
I realize that I've already quoted this post, but I just wanted to say...Holy crap! A +11 rating! I don't think I've ever seen it that high before.8O:smile:
Serryah is not saying for people to not call out politicians, but for politicians to not use statements similar to the one attributed to Bush.
That "with us or against us" stuff is a biblical reference, Luke 11:23, quoting Jesus. In the KJV it's "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth." A bankrupt idea if I've ever heard one, no room allowed for legitimate disagreement. And anybody who thinks authorities will use this only to track down the purveyors of kiddie porn doesn't understand the fascist mindset. They'll use it to track down anybody who disagrees with them.
What an outrage, first of all the bastar*ds came after seniors pensions and watering down
medicare and now its the turn of privacy and personal security. This is a George Bush
mentality either you are with us or against us and in sympathy with child porn people. This
is creeping fascism and I use the word carefully. Fascism is a nasty item but this is social
conservatism on the ugly side.
We are going to spy on you, and if you resist we will label you with a disgusting term to shame
you into agreeing with us. I think this government is on the way to its own destruction with its
brazier ideas and proclamations. These are nasty people with the idea that democracy is a
good thing but only if it is convenient. People had better wake up and soon or it will be a long
struggle to regain our freedom.
medicare and now its the turn of privacy and personal security. This is a George Bush
mentality either you are with us or against us and in sympathy with child porn people. This
is creeping fascism and I use the word carefully. Fascism is a nasty item but this is social
conservatism on the ugly side.
We are going to spy on you, and if you resist we will label you with a disgusting term to shame
you into agreeing with us. I think this government is on the way to its own destruction with its
brazier ideas and proclamations. These are nasty people with the idea that democracy is a
good thing but only if it is convenient. People had better wake up and soon or it will be a long
struggle to regain our freedom.
I'm of two minds about the whole thing, on the one hand it doesn't bother me personally because if they "follow" me they will soon get very bored, while on the other hand if it catches a couple of pedaphiles and deters a few a$$holes trying to profit from it that is a positive thing. There is no doubt that power has gone to Harper's head, but if it wasn't his head it would be some other A$$hole's. I don't see it as a threat to my freedom. A lot of hysteria gets worked up with the old line "there's no telling what they will be doing next"- as an old Union Employee I used to hear that a least a couple of times a week. :lol::lol::lol:
I love Conservative Contradictions....
They have no issue using pedophilia as a political tool to get what they want, and link anybody who doesn't agree with them as pedophile supporters, making Pedophiles sound like the worst thing on the planet.... and indeed, they are one of the worst things on the planet.
..... But at the same time, under their new wonderful tough on crime bill.... a convicted pedophile will serve less prison time than someone caught with 6 pot plants..... so obviously pedophiles are not that high on the radar for Conservatives and to Conservatives, Pedophiles are not that bad..... a pot head munching on some doritos is a worse danger to society than a pedophile apparently. :roll:
It hasn't even been 1 year since they got a Majority and already they've screwed so much up..... I'd hate to see what Canada will end up looking like by the time the next election comes around, but I'll say this:
There certainly won't be a second Conservative Majority and it shows. They're trying to shove as much as they can through the government as fast as possible, regardless of public opinion and out cry, because they know they won't get a second run as leaders of Canada.
That is unless they somehow bork Canadian Democracy and Harper pulls a Putin to retain power.
Yeah, so did Michael Jackson..... I doubt it was a "Great" moment.
"It looks to me like the best part of you ran down the crack of your momma's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress!"
^ Is what I think of Bush Jr.
I think there are ways to catch the child deviants without going after everyone for everything.
Its like shooting a criminal in the street. Yup we shot ten people and one of them was the
bad guy we were trying to catch. Its that kind of dubious logic that allows Harper (Snidely Whiplash)
to get away with this kind of crap. Its the same kind of nonsense that George Bush used to set
America on becoming the newest police state on the planet.
America used to be about hope and promise and is now under the cloud of Fear and spying on one
another. The McCarthy era is returning to the front page. People are subjecting themselves to the
fear of criminals, terrorists, pedophiles and any number of deviants The problem is they are so
paralyzed by fear they have forgotten to live. We are hell bent on going down the same road even
though we know how the story ends and it does not end well.
The fact remains the government is stealing our freedoms one at a time and they will make us pay
until we do something about it. I have nothing to hide either but the thought of people spying on us
is the same as when someone breaks into your home or car and steals personal property and this
law has the potential to do the same thing metaphorically.
Its like shooting a criminal in the street. Yup we shot ten people and one of them was the
bad guy we were trying to catch. Its that kind of dubious logic that allows Harper (Snidely Whiplash)
to get away with this kind of crap. Its the same kind of nonsense that George Bush used to set
America on becoming the newest police state on the planet.
America used to be about hope and promise and is now under the cloud of Fear and spying on one
another. The McCarthy era is returning to the front page. People are subjecting themselves to the
fear of criminals, terrorists, pedophiles and any number of deviants The problem is they are so
paralyzed by fear they have forgotten to live. We are hell bent on going down the same road even
though we know how the story ends and it does not end well.
The fact remains the government is stealing our freedoms one at a time and they will make us pay
until we do something about it. I have nothing to hide either but the thought of people spying on us
is the same as when someone breaks into your home or car and steals personal property and this
law has the potential to do the same thing metaphorically.
I kind of think that what he wants to be able to do and what he will actually do are two very different things. I'm guessing 99% of us will never be a subject of scrutiny, but if say a couple of reports come in about Joe Blow at 999 Main St. is suspected of nefarious activities, the authorities can jump on it in a matter of minutes and apprenhend the guy without a whole pile of red tape, that just costs the 99% a pile money, it's a good thing. :smile:
I don't think you are getting the implications here. It is a draconian law that is ambiguous enough to be misused in the hands of assholes that say crap like "you are either with us or agin us". I remember back in the 70s reading an article titled "If you Liked 1984, you will Love 1973(?) Technology has jumped by leaps and bounds and now we will see Big Brother far beyond Orwell's worst nightmares. Harpo is just cueing us up for the finale. like I said before, stock up on Vaseline.
The problem is that you or I or someone else can inform them that Joe Blow on main street
is up to some nasty stuff because we don't like him and they will turn his life upside down.
It is the worst part about McCarthyism and wouldn't you know it, it is being promoted by none
other than conservatives and social conservatives at that.
These people are one step away from being fascists, and what was the American prosecutor
said about the leaders of the fascist regime. They all looked so ordinary none of them would
stand out on a public street. That is the problem, we don't recognize the danger until its too
late.
is up to some nasty stuff because we don't like him and they will turn his life upside down.
It is the worst part about McCarthyism and wouldn't you know it, it is being promoted by none
other than conservatives and social conservatives at that.
These people are one step away from being fascists, and what was the American prosecutor
said about the leaders of the fascist regime. They all looked so ordinary none of them would
stand out on a public street. That is the problem, we don't recognize the danger until its too
late.
Bang on, Dexter. But, where does that leave us?
Who will be first to man the barricades and toe to toe it with the army? This is of course what the Harperites would love as it would really out their "enemies" (Canadians), and tell them with certainty whom they have to gulag.
Most of us have too much to lose, and by not objecting, will lose it anyway; as in history.
The G20 was just a warm up to let the sheeple know that the next time they'll use real bullets. Not a coincidence this rush to mandatory minimums, and prison building.
I really don't believe that even that little squeaky voiced Reeeeeeeeeeformer, Preston Manning knew where his movement was going to lead.
They are a bunch of evil bastards.
Yes, thank you. Although moreso please stop using such statements to make enemies out of everyone who doesn't believe like the person quoting it does. Life just does not work like that and the broad brushing of people into neat little piles of "yays" and "nays" is just stupid.
No, of course not, it's Bush but this IMO was one of the toppers of not so great.
The following just gleaned from comments of CBC articles: Right on the money also;
''How odd. The Conservatives felt the gun registry and the long-form census data was an invasion of privacy. Yet now they're able to access private data without permission?" -
............someone's thinking.
''How odd. The Conservatives felt the gun registry and the long-form census data was an invasion of privacy. Yet now they're able to access private data without permission?" -
............someone's thinking.
I'm currently reading a book about Dodd, the US ambassador to Germany in the 1930s. Funny how familiar this scenario seems, I was reading about that just last night.
It doesn't look like anything is going to change and the bill will pass.
PM defends 'online spying' bill
PM defends 'online spying' bill
I don't know all the in and out of this bill but I do not like it especially this AM on the TV they said that power of this bill will also be given to some civil organizations like the Office of Competition. If this is true it is not only the police.
Screwed again. Not in the good way. And the ignorant will not perceive any danger until they're caught in it themselves, then they'll howl bloody murder but continue to vote Tory anyway because they can't perceive any connection between things a government does and the quality of their lives.