The Great Debate

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MSM in major meltdown over Trump destroying Clinton in the Debate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-donald-trump-won-the-debate-hell-endorse-it/

No, Donald Trump Didn't Win Post-Debate Polls : NPR

Trump's Victory In Post-Debate Polls Shouldn't Be Trusted

ROFL!

A MAJOR meltdown. You should of heard them crying on CNN and NPR over the beating in the polls.

Why would they have a meltdown? According to Flossy Clinton smoked Trump in the debates and is now sailing smoothly to the white house. Nothing to cause concern.
 

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Why would they have a meltdown? According to Flossy Clinton smoked Trump in the debates and is now sailing smoothly to the white house. Nothing to cause concern.

One would think! :)

But they are having break downs on TV about Clinton getting blown out in the polls after the debate.
 

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How Reuters "Tweaked" Its Latest Poll (Again) To Show A Clinton Lead
Reuters has taken some heat in recent months for "tweaking" their polling methodology seemingly every time the data reveals "inconvenient" results for Hillary (see our previous posts on the topic here and here). But the latest Reuters/Ipsos polling "tweak" is truly amazing. Having run out of options for slyly "tweaking" questions and categories to sway respondents in their preferred direction, Reuters has apparnetly resorted to blatant poll tampering by altering their polling samples to include a disproportionate number of democrats.
How Reuters "Tweaked" Its Latest Poll (Again) To Show A Clinton Lead | Zero Hedge

Good ol roto reuters...
 

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Yet this charletoon is set to fool the population of America into voting him president .
Sort of the reverse of us getting fooled into voting an imposter .

How is it the reverse? It's exactly that.

third world is just a synonym for poor , undeveloped country. generally former colonies.
Mao's three worlds theory described them as nations which are exploited by imperialist first world nations.

Yeah, which is why it's weird to say the US has been terrorizing third world countries since its inception. The United States was a third world country at its inception, excepting that the term isn't a useful description for any country in 1776. "Undeveloped" describes every country at the time.

This is why Hilary is completely manipulating him like a puppet.

It's not even a difficult tactic by any measure.

Here's how you beat Trump:

Start off with your campaign promise and after explaining it fully, say something about his mom at the very last second. He'll go for the bait and your policy will be left alone with no legitimate criticism.

Then, Hilary Shimmy

Unlike his previous primary opponents, Clinton baited Trump the right way. Rubio made fun of his hands. That's low and childish and reflected poorly on Rubio as well. But bringing the Miss Universe thing does not reflect back on Clinton in the same way. Trump freaked out and thought it was a low blow, but that's not how it was received by the audience. It's an actual concern that he's a man that treats women in such an awful way. And Trump, being that man, could not understand that viciously attacking this woman in retaliation wasn't the right way to respond. So he did and he keeps going. I thought he'd be done by now, but he's still at it. It worked perfectly and it proves how badly Trump knows it hurt him.

Trump's now saying he's going to go after Bill Clinton's infidelity. That might hurt her, but it will also reflect back on him because it's personal. Americans are incredibly ignorant but every single American voter knows Bill Clinton was unfaithful. It won't get him much traction against Clinton, and the blowback could be worse.

He could bring up the rape accusations, but I'm willing to bet that would be seen as going too far. Just like if Clinton tried to bait him with the rape accusations against Trump. Trump would wig out, but it would really hurt Clinton.

I'm not sure why Donald Trump isn't just moving on from this Miss Universe thing...

I've explained it to you, but you won't listen. You're so enamored with Trump that you're blind to the fact that he's an erratic, vindictive, woman-hating psychopath. You refuse to believe the obviousness that in business he's a conman or that he's a social liberal. You'll never understand and you'll keep on deluding yourself. He's a conman and he conned you.
 

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I see the drooling dogs of the Trump admiration society have been out in full force today. Carry on sniffing each others butts.
 
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How is it the reverse? It's exactly that.



Yeah, which is why it's weird to say the US has been terrorizing third world countries since its inception. The United States was a third world country at its inception, excepting that the term isn't a useful description for any country in 1776. "Undeveloped" describes every country at the time.

There's nothing weird about it and the USA was never a third world country. By the time of their inception in 1776 they were already in control of massive swaths of land , wrote up a constitution for old white privileged men, and were powerful enough to challenge the British empire for independence.
The Historian Sidney Lens comments - "the urge for expansion – at the expense of other peoples – goes back to the beginnings of the United States itself." As well, Yale historian Paul Kennedy put it, "From the time the first settlers arrived in Virginia from England and started moving westward, this was an imperial nation, a conquering nation." - Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism.

The entire history of Amerika has been about conquest and knocking down the doors of any country that doesn't want to give them their resources.

The Occupation of Mexico, May 1846-July 1848
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Haiti
The Long Legacy of Occupation in Haiti - The New Yorker
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1914-1920/haiti
The U.S. Occupation of the Philippines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Veracruz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Nicaragua
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_the_Dominican_Republic_(1916–24)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Hawaii
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Military_Government_in_Cuba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Occupation_of_Cuba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Intervention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base


these links don't even make up a fraction of the story of amerikan imperialism, but it's a start.
 

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or listening to Trump and Hillary argue...
 
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By Eric Loomis

Overall, Hillary Clinton embarrassed Donald Trump last night. But let’s not kid ourselves, Trump absolutely crushed her on trade in the early part of the debate. I found it highly disturbing to realize that if I didn’t know that Trump didn’t actually care about this issue and certainly doesn’t care about the workers of the world, I would find myself agreeing with him. NAFTA is indeed the worst trade deal in history. It was a complete disaster for the working class of the United States and it was a complete disaster for the working class of Mexico.

Trump also did a great job of connecting recent issues of capital mobility to his statements. The Carrier closure became a national issue because the announcement was filmed. And then the recent announcement of Ford that it was closing its unionized American factories that make its small cars like the Focus (guess I will be buying a different car next time I am on the market) and moving them to Mexico is basically Ford giving Trump the biggest possible assist it could. If all the jobs are moving overseas, why wouldn’t the white working class vote for Trump? What good reason do they have for not doing so? I know why the black and Latino working class won’t–because of the racism of the Trump campaign. But if you have no hope except for being white, why not vote for your racial dominance? That’s what Trump offers.

Now don’t get me wrong. I know very well that Donald Trump does not care about this issue. He will do nothing to solve this problem. If he has an allegiance, it’s to his business interests and to the business interests of other capitalists. He will do nothing to hurt them. And of course I know all the other ways that Hillary Clinton is actually better for the working class than Trump. But you can’t expect the average low-information voter to know that. And certainly Hillary Clinton can’t expect them to know that.

But Trump’s lies are not really the point. The point is that he has one great issue upon which he may well be elected. Hillary Clinton has no good answer because she ultimately is a supporter of free trade and has not really thought through the real hardships that the working-class faces when they lose their jobs because of capital mobility. The other point is that American policymakers have failed and continue to completely fail to take capital mobility and working-class unemployment seriously. From the beginning of the modern era of capital mobility in 1965, both Republican and Democratic policymakers have largely supported widescale corporate flight overseas in the name of profits. But they have never had good ideas for what those workers are going to do. They might give cheap bromides about education. They might vote to fund retraining programs for jobs that if they exist at all will pay far lower than the union jobs the workers lost. They talk dreamily about the creative economy and disruption creating new jobs. But new jobs for who? At what price? With what power for workers?

We are seeing this all over again in the mania for driverless vehicles. Let’s be very clear–the driverless vehicle fad may have some safety benefits. But it exists for precisely one reason: so that companies can profit on not employing truck drivers or taxi drivers. If driverless vehicles really become a real thing, 3.5 million truck drivers are going to lose their jobs. Overall, there is 8.7 million people employed by the trucking industry. The Obama administration is already creating a regulatory framework to ease these driverless vehicles on the road. But it, like all the administrations before it, have absolutely no answer or even any real beginnings of a vague plan on what those 3.5 million workers (if not closer to 8.7 million) are going to do.

That’s a gigantic policy failure on the part of every president from Johnson to Obama. It won’t get any better under either Clinton or Trump. Those who claim that ultimately this capital mobility and automation and disruption is a good thing have to live in the country this creates. That country may well vote Donald Trump into the Oval Office. Not taking unemployment and working-class despair in the face of millions and millions of lost union or otherwise high-paying jobs is part of the reason why. And if we don’t figure out how to fix it, with very real, concrete plans for these workers, no matter their color or political leanings, the political instability we are seeing in 2016 will continue and deepen, no matter who wins in November.

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