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Tecumsehsbones

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maybe you wouldn't seem to have the mental capacity of a 12-year-old if you had at least a bit of self-awareness.


amerika is a terrorist country, terrorizing third world countries and keeping them poor for easy exploitation since their inception.
Since their inception? What "third world" countries did the U.S. terrorize between 1776 and 1800?
 

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The expression "third world" didn't come into use until the cold war, so you could be a stickler and say the US hasn't terrorized any "third world" country from 1776 - 1952, because none existed. But you could expand the contemporary definition of third world (which just means without advanced industrialization) and if you go back to 1776 that includes every country in the world, including the United States.
 

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I don't see any huge Hillary bounce after the supposed trouncing Trump took in the debate, at least that's how the mainstream media has spun it. I hope he doubles down on ISSUES and concedes trivial distractions, of which the Clinton campaign are masters, to Hillary.. that'll win the election for him on substance.

Bill Clinton's bimbo eruptions are irrelevant to the voting decision. The voters care no more about that than they do about Trump's tax returns or disparaging remarks about the 1996 Miss Universe. People are going to vote on America's economic decline, on disastrous Free Trade treaties, on the culture of pessimism and death that pervades modern culture, on borders, on a lawful society for all, on gratuitous foreign entanglements.

Trump remains the sole candidate in decades who is idiosyncratic and iconoclastic enough to foment a real change in the direction of disassembly that America is now on.

But to expand on one issue, which has completely riveted the press for about 24 hours.

There was an very good interview with Miss Sweden on CNN about the 2014 Miss Universe contest in which she described Donald Trump as professional, cooperative and engaging. She noted that Miss Universe contestants sign a contract dealing with appearance and conduct, are well supported with personal trainers and nutritionists, and usually do very well in various careers using the pageant as a springboard. Importantly, they are expected to respect the brand of Miss Universe and the agreements for which they signed up.. all of which Miss Venezuela of 1996 ignored and more or less fell into a funk of binge eating and disorderly behaviour. Trump to his credit did not fire her.. but attempted to get her to take care of herself.
 
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Third World is a stupid phrase! There is only ONE world. Third Class might be somewhat accurate.
I love the way the talking heads misuse words to try making themselves look clever.
'Doubling down' became a popular phrase. 'Doubling down' is actually a poker term.
Those words were an 'Ave'. Came from the football expression to throw a hail Mary and they even had to change that to 'an Ave'!
Then there's the old, 'Proof is in the pudding'; the proof is NOT in the pudding, it's in the EATING of the pudding.
Jeez! Why don't they leave the English language alone and tell it like it is!
 

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Third World is a stupid phrase! There is only ONE world. Third Class might be somewhat accurate.
I love the way the talking heads misuse words to try making themselves look clever.
'Doubling down' became a popular phrase. 'Doubling down' is actually a poker term.
Those words were an 'Ave'. Came from the football expression to throw a hail Mary and they even had to change that to 'an Ave'!
Then there's the old, 'Proof is in the pudding'; the proof is NOT in the pudding, it's in the EATING of the pudding.
Jeez! Why don't they leave the English language alone and tell it like it is!

You show them windmills, Dave's Mom.

I don't see any huge Hillary bounce after the supposed trouncing Trump took in the debate, at least that's how the mainstream media has spun it. I hope he doubles down on ISSUES and concedes trivial distractions, of which the Clinton campaign are masters, to Hillary.. that'll win the election for him on substance.

Trump's merry-go-round of campaign advisors have been trying to get him to stick to "substance" and lay off the distracting personal vendettas and Twitter feuds for months. Trump can't do it. He cannot help himself but viciously settle petty scores and slights. You might agree with his idiotic policies, but the man himself is an temperamental hothead with the intellectual capacity and self-control of a 13 year old. He is an man without substance. He has built his entire image and business on lying to people about his having substance and being competent.
 

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Trump's merry-go-round of campaign advisors have been trying to get him to stick to "substance" and lay off the distracting personal vendettas and Twitter feuds for months. Trump can't do it. He cannot help himself but viciously settle petty scores and slights. You might agree with his idiotic policies, but the man himself is an temperamental hothead with the intellectual capacity and self-control of a 13 year old. He is an man without substance. He has built his entire image and business on lying to people about his having substance and being competent.

Not so, Trump spends 75% of every stump speech on Trade, on America's decline, on a lawful, integrated, constructive society.

It's the mainstream media that is fixated, to the exclusion of everything else, on his combativeness and stubbornness.. both which are potentially great assets to a President if properly channeled.. compared to the utter conformity, dearth of understanding or solutions to the major challenges, and, the total ideological submissiveness of a Hillary Clinton.. who guarantees NO change to the downward arc of the last 50 years.

One of Trump's assets is he tends to hire very impressive people as advisors and employees, who can counterbalance his own shortcomings. That shows that although he's unwilling admit them.. he's aware of them, and is responsible enough to compensate for them. His core team of advisors, many of whom have been with him for years, has not changed at all. The changes have been to political operatives outside of his inner circle.
 
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Not so, Trump spends 75% of every stump speech on Trade, on America's decline, on a lawful, integrated, constructive society.

It's the mainstream media that is fixated, to the exclusion of everything else, on his combativeness and stubbornness.. both which are potentially great assets to a President if properly channeled.. compared to the utter conformity, dearth of understanding or solutions to the major challenges America faces, and, the total ideological submissiveness of a Hillary Clinton.. who guarantees NO change to the downward arc of the last 50 years.

One of Trump's assets is he tends to hire very impressive people as advisors and employees, who can counterbalance his own shortcomings. That shows that although he's unwilling admit them.. he's aware of them, and is responsible enough to compensate for them.

You can spin his "combativeness and stubbornness" any way you like. The fact is Trump is temperamentally unstable. He gets into childish Twitter fights with people and doesn't quit. That's a quality that could be useful in presidents? Relentlessly insulting celebrities, news reporters, the families of dead soldiers, POWs. Real leadership has thick skin. Real leadership doesn't wallow in decades long petty squabbles. And real leaders aren't as easily baited into those childish tantrums. That Miss Universe thing was a trap and that fool fell for it and kept going on about it for days. You can say that Clinton unfairly baited him into it and that makes her a cynical and nasty politician, but your man was weak enough to fall for it. That's the quality you see in a president? An easily manipulated baby that freaks out and abuses any little person that slights him?

It's amazing how incredibly non-intuitive people can be. Donald Trump's entire career, in business and now in politics, has been to fool people into believing he's a savvy leader, that his management is effective and to associate his brand with wealth and success. And yet when you see him speak, he's so obviously lying. Hillary Clinton lies, but her lies wouldn't be so obvious if she didn't have such a long history of lying. Trump's lies are so outlandish it's hard to believe anyone buys it, and yet they do. Trump's businesses are trainwrecks. Trump university is a grift. He doesn't have one of the best minds in the world, as he says. He isn't the healthiest person to ever run for president. He doesn't have a secret plan to beat ISIS. He isn't hiding his tax returns because on an audit. How could you believe these things? They're ridiculous. Use your head, man.
 

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Third World is a stupid phrase! There is only ONE world. Third Class might be somewhat accurate.
I love the way the talking heads misuse words to try making themselves look clever.
'Doubling down' became a popular phrase. 'Doubling down' is actually a poker term.
Those words were an 'Ave'. Came from the football expression to throw a hail Mary and they even had to change that to 'an Ave'!
Then there's the old, 'Proof is in the pudding'; the proof is NOT in the pudding, it's in the EATING of the pudding.
Jeez! Why don't they leave the English language alone and tell it like it is!


I guess it's an extension of the terms Old World and New World!

Third World is a stupid phrase! There is only ONE world. Third Class might be somewhat accurate.
I love the way the talking heads misuse words to try making themselves look clever.
'Doubling down' became a popular phrase. 'Doubling down' is actually a poker term.
Those words were an 'Ave'. Came from the football expression to throw a hail Mary and they even had to change that to 'an Ave'!
Then there's the old, 'Proof is in the pudding'; the proof is NOT in the pudding, it's in the EATING of the pudding.
Jeez! Why don't they leave the English language alone and tell it like it is!


Even worse is some of the pronunciation. When we were kids a buoy sounded just like boy, on the media the other day and it happens often they kept mentioning boooooooooooey. How do these clowns get a broadcasting license?
 

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maybe you wouldn't seem to have the mental capacity of a 12-year-old if you had at least a bit of self-awareness.


amerika is a terrorist country, terrorizing third world countries and keeping them poor for easy exploitation since their inception.
Yet they have never taken over Canadu .

You can spin his "combativeness and stubbornness" any way you like. The fact is Trump is temperamentally unstable. He gets into childish Twitter fights with people and doesn't quit. That's a quality that could be useful in presidents? Relentlessly insulting celebrities, news reporters, the families of dead soldiers, POWs. Real leadership has thick skin. Real leadership doesn't wallow in decades long petty squabbles. And real leaders aren't as easily baited into those childish tantrums. That Miss Universe thing was a trap and that fool fell for it and kept going on about it for days. You can say that Clinton unfairly baited him into it and that makes her a cynical and nasty politician, but your man was weak enough to fall for it. That's the quality you see in a president? An easily manipulated baby that freaks out and abuses any little person that slights him?

It's amazing how incredibly non-intuitive people can be. Donald Trump's entire career, in business and now in politics, has been to fool people into believing he's a savvy leader, that his management is effective and to associate his brand with wealth and success. And yet when you see him speak, he's so obviously lying. Hillary Clinton lies, but her lies wouldn't be so obvious if she didn't have such a long history of lying. Trump's lies are so outlandish it's hard to believe anyone buys it, and yet they do. Trump's businesses are trainwrecks. Trump university is a grift. He doesn't have one of the best minds in the world, as he says. He isn't the healthiest person to ever run for president. He doesn't have a secret plan to beat ISIS. He isn't hiding his tax returns because on an audit. How could you believe these things? They're ridiculous. Use your head, man.
Yet this charletoon is set to fool the population of America into voting him president .
Sort of the reverse of us getting fooled into voting an imposter .

Neat eh .
 

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The expression "third world" didn't come into use until the cold war, so you could be a stickler and say the US hasn't terrorized any "third world" country from 1776 - 1952, because none existed. But you could expand the contemporary definition of third world (which just means without advanced industrialization) and if you go back to 1776 that includes every country in the world, including the United States.
third world is just a synonym for poor , undeveloped country. generally former colonies.
Mao's three worlds theory described them as nations which are exploited by imperialist first world nations.
 

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You can spin his "combativeness and stubbornness" any way you like. The fact is Trump is temperamentally unstable. He gets into childish Twitter fights with people and doesn't quit. That's a quality that could be useful in presidents? Relentlessly insulting celebrities, news reporters, the families of dead soldiers, POWs. Real leadership has thick skin. Real leadership doesn't wallow in decades long petty squabbles. And real leaders aren't as easily baited into those childish tantrums. That Miss Universe thing was a trap and that fool fell for it and kept going on about it for days. You can say that Clinton unfairly baited him into it and that makes her a cynical and nasty politician, but your man was weak enough to fall for it. That's the quality you see in a president? An easily manipulated baby that freaks out and abuses any little person that slights him?

It's amazing how incredibly non-intuitive people can be. Donald Trump's entire career, in business and now in politics, has been to fool people into believing he's a savvy leader, that his management is effective and to associate his brand with wealth and success. And yet when you see him speak, he's so obviously lying. Hillary Clinton lies, but her lies wouldn't be so obvious if she didn't have such a long history of lying. Trump's lies are so outlandish it's hard to believe anyone buys it, and yet they do. Trump's businesses are trainwrecks. Trump university is a grift. He doesn't have one of the best minds in the world, as he says. He isn't the healthiest person to ever run for president. He doesn't have a secret plan to beat ISIS. He isn't hiding his tax returns because on an audit. How could you believe these things? They're ridiculous. Use your head, man.

This is why Hilary is completely manipulating him like a puppet.

It's not even a difficult tactic by any measure.

Here's how you beat Trump:

Start off with your campaign promise and after explaining it fully, say something about his mom at the very last second. He'll go for the bait and your policy will be left alone with no legitimate criticism.

Then, Hilary Shimmy

 
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Regarding the likelihood of starting a nuclear war, there are a lot of honchos under the President who have great influence in such dire matters. The following is just a smattering of the ones serving under President Obama as an example.


The Vice President Joseph Biden
Speaker of the House Paul Ryan
President pro tempore of the Senate1 Patrick Leahy
Secretary of State John Kerry
Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew
Secretary of Defense Ashton B. Carter
Attorney General Loretta Lynch
Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewel
Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack
Secretary of Commerce Penny Pritzker
Secretary of Labor Thomas E. Perez
Secretary of Health and Human Services Sylvia Mathews Burwell
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julián Castro
Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx
Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz
Secretary of Education Arne Duncan
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Robert McDonald
Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson

You can spin his "combativeness and stubbornness" any way you like. The fact is Trump is temperamentally unstable. He gets into childish Twitter fights with people and doesn't quit. That's a quality that could be useful in presidents? Relentlessly insulting celebrities, news reporters, the families of dead soldiers, POWs. Real leadership has thick skin. Real leadership doesn't wallow in decades long petty squabbles. And real leaders aren't as easily baited into those childish tantrums.


I'm not convinced that you like Trump! :)
 

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I'm not sure why Donald Trump isn't just moving on from this Miss Universe thing... i'm sure he's been advised to move on to issues that actually resonate with voters.. like TRADE. But i know he's more complex and empathetic than the mainstream media's portrayal of him.

This is an article, and CNN clip, on a Miss Wisconsin of 2005, struggling with an incurable, terminal illness.. who thanked Trump for his emotional and financial support.

Ex-Miss Wisconsin tears up thanking Trump at rally | TheHill

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/30/polit...in-trump-darkest-hour-newsroom-costello-intv/

Trump supporters are well aware this guy is a full on pugilist, someone who goes after anyone who goes after him. They also correctly see him as someone who is independent of political correctness, and, neocon free market economic ideology, both of which FULLY define Hillary Clinton, and which is driving the U.S. into an industrial, financial and cultural PIT.

Trump remains the only hope for change from America's, and the West's, catastrophic path. Sure he's a loose canon, but there is so much clutter on the U.S. ship of state, that its the only way to clear the deck, its the only way to change course. The U.S. needs Donald Trump, with all his flaws.

I think he'll win. Nothing else really makes sense given the trajectory of events over this political cycle.
 
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Yet they have never taken over Canadu .
Why on earth would we want to? So we could cater the the whining and demands of 35 million socialists who want to be paid for breathing?

I'm not sure why Donald Trump isn't just moving on from this Miss Universe thing... i'm sure he's been advised to move on to issues that actually resonate with voters.. like TRADE. But i know he's move complex and empathetic than the mainstream media's portrayal of him.
I'm gonna go with "because he's an emotional child throwing yet another temper tantrum."
 

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Trump lost debate, likely to cause nuke war

Donald Trump, whose shaky and irritable performance at Monday night's debate led many inside his own campaign to concede he lost, appeared to come out on top regarding at least one issue after the event: Voters think he's far more likely to cause a nuclear war if elected.

According to a Public Policy Polling survey out Thursday, a whopping 49% of respondents after the debate said they felt Trump was more likely to bring about a nuclear holocaust.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-lost-debate-nuke-war-clinton-poll-article-1.2811707