Should the government ban Marijuana

petros

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I think (against my better judgment) I have to agree with you here. I love gambling and casinos and detest street drugs, but I suppose one can be just as devastating as the other. I think with gambling however, some personal control is possible, I'm not sure if it is with drugs- for the vast majority I would guess not. :smile:
Both are addictions for millions of Canadians. Casinos and gambling realeases dopamine or smoking a joint releases dopamine.

What's the difference then?

Maybe we need to ban the true culprit, Dopamine?
 

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Is there HST on a $2 bet?

Probably. I really don't know. I never gamble on line and don't go to casinos, far too boring. Wifey is responsible for shopping and she figures if you are meant to win you don't ned a ticket. I spent many years as a contractor and that is real gambling. The games are just for wannabees.
 

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Both are addictions for millions of Canadians. Casinos and gambling realeases dopamine or smoking a joint releases dopamine.

What's the difference then?

Maybe we need to ban the true culprit, Dopamine?

Maybe the other things they do to you. I don't know about dopamine, but gambling makes some people broke. Some gamblers don't have a procedure worked out. I follow 3 basic rules. I don't gamble unless ALL my bills are paid. I don't take any more money to the casino than I'm prepared to lose and when it's gone I'm gone. If I win a substantial jackpot (like $100 or more), 1/2 of it leaves with me. Casinos make most of their money from the small percentage who stay there until they are broke, regardless of how much they may have been ahead at one stage.
 

petros

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I spent many years as a contractor and that is real gambling.
Amen!

Maybe the other things they do to you. I don't know about dopamine, but gambling makes some people broke. Some gamblers don't have a procedure worked out. I follow 3 basic rules. I don't gamble unless ALL my bills are paid. I don't take any more money to the casino than I'm prepared to lose and when it's gone I'm gone. If I win a substantial jackpot (like $100 or more), 1/2 of it leaves with me. Casinos make most of their money from the small percentage who stay there until they are broke, regardless of how much they may have been ahead at one stage.
Some people only smoke a joint a day after dinner.

What's the diffence then?
 

Kreskin

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The one basic rule I work with is I never smoke weed in a casino.
 

petros

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Is your addiction lesser because it's managed. It's like being partially pregnant.

The one basic rule I work with is I never smoke weed in a casino.
No cigarettes to up your dopamine in a casino either but you can always do that with beer or free cola and coffee.
 

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I think (against my better judgment) I have to agree with you here. I love gambling and casinos and detest street drugs, but I suppose one can be just as devastating as the other. I think with gambling however, some personal control is possible, I'm not sure if it is with drugs- for the vast majority I would guess not. :smile:

The whole point of legalizing is so that people with addictions can get help, not thrown in jail with criminals. Don't confuse pot with hard drugs either,they are not the same.
You would be amazed at the number of people that you know that do hard drugs on a semi regular basis and you don't even know. More that are dependent on legal drugs that are just as dangerous as street drugs. Not all drug users end up in DTES.
 

Kreskin

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It doesn't matter to me if it is legalized or not. But isn't there a public safety issue too, or should it only be legal to be stoned in private?
 

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Gotta love this:

By Nelson Wyatt, The Canadian Press


MONTREAL - Cheech and Chong have got some pretty blunt advice for Prime Minister Stephen Harper when it comes to Canada's marijuana's laws.

"Wise up, you douchebag," Cheech Marin says with some glee when asked what he'd tell the prime minister.

Chong, who hails from Edmonton, nods in agreement.

The team of tokers is miffed that Canadian authorities, after nearly decriminalizing pot a few years ago, have made a 180-degree policy shift which culminated in a rash of recent marijuana arrests.

"I would tell Stephen Harper to let go of George Bush's butt," Chong chimes in. "Your head's too far up there. Get your head out of his butt. He's gone. George is gone. He's history, Stephen.

"In fact, turn it over to other people who care about more important things."

A spokesman for the Prime Minister's Office was not immediately available to comment.

Richard "Cheech" Marin and Tommy Chong, who have grown from a stoner counterculture act when they started in 1970s, are cultural icons when it comes to doper humour.

Besides performing live, the duo have released several comedy albums and films and appeared in numerous TV shows. Marin was a regular in the cop drama "Nash Bridges" while Chong had a recurring role on the comedy "That '70s Show."

They went their separate ways in the 1980s, with reports of friction between them, but returned to working together on a variety of projects, including their current tour, in the late 1990s.

Needless to say, they are unabashed advocates of legal marijuana.

Cheech and Chong were in Montreal where they hosted a show last week at the Just For Laughs Festival, doing some of their fabled bits. It's their only Canadian date for now.

In an interview with The Canadian Press, they were more than happy to hold forth on their favoured herb.

"The trouble with the law is that pot is quasi-legal," ventured Cheech, whose father was a Los Angeles police officer for 30 years.

"It's a grey area. You don't know if it's legal or isn't legal. It's like being quasi-pregnant. Either you're pregnant or you're not."

Marijuana for medicinal use has been allowed in Canada for nearly a decade and was nearly decriminalized by Parliament seven years ago. After taking office in 2006, the Conservatives announced they would not revive a Liberal bill to reform marijuana laws.

Last month, police arrested 35 people in raids on clubs in Quebec which supply visitors with marijuana, ostensibly as therapeutic treatment for certain medical conditions. A club in Toronto was also raided two months ago.

Chong sported a T-shirt emblazoned with the face of British Columbia pot activist Marc Emery, who now faces five years in a U.S. prison after being deported from Canada earlier this year. Chong said he wasn't surprised Emery was deported.

"I'm insulted. As a Canadian I'm insulted that Harper would go to that length."

He said marijuana has been used for medicinal purposes for centuries. Cheech's grandmother used it for arthritis and his wife used a hemp-based cream.

"It's a political football that the Conservatives jump all over," Chong said of the marijuana debate.

Health Canada says there are definite distinctions between regulated medicinal marijuana and street use.

"Health Canada does not advocate the legalization of marijuana. Marijuana remains an illegal and controlled substance, similar to other controlled products," spokesman Gary Holub said in an email. "Unlawful possession is a criminal offence."

Cheech, who is now 64, and Chong, 72, both got turned on to pot when they were young.

"It was like a really hush-hush thing," Cheech said of the era. "My roommate turned me on and it was like, 'Wow, how soon can I quit my job?' "

Chong said he got high when he was 18. A jazz bass player handed him a marijuana cigarette and a Lenny Bruce record — and the rest is history.

"Lenny Bruce got me into comedy so really the pot and Lenny together is why we're here now."

He said smoking pot wasn't a big deal then because many people didn't recognize the smell.

"I remember someone asked us what kind of tobacco that was," he said of one time when he imbided during a visit to Kelowna, B.C. "After we stopped laughing for a half-hour we told them it was Italian."

But pot has landed Chong behind bars. He served nine months in 2003 for selling pot pipes.

Cheech and Chong enjoy the comedians that have imitated their act over the years but they take pride in their originality.

Cheech says they always reflected the mainstream "middle-of-the-road dopers."

Chong agreed.

"I think what made us was the fact that back in the day people would talk about stoners. We were the stoners — so much so I ended up going to jail because I was such a good actor they believed that's who I really was."
 

petros

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It doesn't matter to me if it is legalized or not. But isn't there a public safety issue too, or should it only be legal to be stoned in private?
An orgasm is a hugh huge dump of dopamine. Thank your lucky stars for it because you were born out of an addiction.

Ain't life grand?
 

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1. If marijuana is legal, will you somke that? Nope.
2. Do you have any friends somke marijuana? Yeah.
3. Do you think which is better between cigarette and marijuana? MJ is healthier
4. Do you agree marijuana should be legal? Nope....
5. Should the government control the quantity of the marijuana? Nope
 

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The difference between alcohol and weed is you can drink without getting drunk but can't really smoke pot without getting stoned.

Sure you can.... I do it all the time.... it's called being ripped off. :lol:

But in seriousness, alcohol affects you in much the same way as weed does..... in that, while you can take a couple of sips of alcohol or even a shot of spirit and not actually sense a buzz, your blood alcohol still goes up, although slightly..... meanwhile, if I take a pinch of weed in a pipe and smoke only that pinch, while the marijuana might be in my blood, there are no physical/noticeable affects unless you smoke more.... like you'd need to drink more.

Marijuana is not Salvia...... you still need a decent amount in order to have any worthwhile effect..... just taking one puff off a joint is not enough to instantly screw you up.... unless of course you got some powerful, unique stuff (On average, you don't) and one shot of alcohol won't be enough to instantly screw you up..... unless of course you drank something well above 100 proof.

In the end, it all depends on an individual's tolerance.

Never mind Marijuana, ban the S.O.B.s that produce, import or sell any illegal drugs. I have nothing particular against Marijuana, but I'm still waiting proof of its benefit to the average healthy person.

Why does it need to have a benefit in order to be legal?

What kind of benefit? The term Benefit to the average healthy person can be subjective, as a can of Pepsi isn't all that healthy nor has little benefit for the average healthy person..... should Pepsi be made illegal?

I'm a person who supports the legalization/decriminalization of Marijuana and have come across many various studies that show medical benefits as well as everyday benefits from smoking weed, not to mention a much healthier substitute then cigarettes...... I'm not a person who would suggest everybody should smoke it, nor would I suggest everybody to drink alcohol..... but I am a person who believes someone should not be legally punished for possession or private use of Marijuana unless used on the job or smoked in a non-smoking area.

And I can not support your view of banning or getting rid of drug dealers, as they're the only ones who supply people with the stuff without being sent to jail (it's not illegal unless you're caught)

That's the mentality I never got...... someone claims to not have an issue with a drug like Marijuana, but thinks it should remain illegal until somehow proven safe or somehow beneficial to mankind, and those who possess, use or sell Marijuana should be arrested and sent off to jail..... so if nobody is allowed to sell, own or use marijuana, how exactly is someone supposed to be able to actually prove it's safe and/or somehow beneficial to mankind, when you're not allowed to come near the stuff, let alone use it or try it to know??

All that would happen is that more and more people would continually be sent off to jail who pose no serious risk to society, no research or open studies are allowed because nobody's allowed to own, buy or use it, nobody is willing to come forward due to the fear of being sent off to jail.... thus it will continue to remain illegal and nothing changes.

In other words, the claim: "Never mind Marijuana, ban the S.O.B.s that produce, import or sell any illegal drugs. I have nothing particular against Marijuana, but I'm still waiting proof of its benefit to the average healthy person." ~ Is just a complete load of hot air, trying to sound like you're for something, all for action on something, but your parameters setup a position that doesn't change or solve anything and nothing is really done besides the current status quo.

I think (against my better judgment) I have to agree with you here. I love gambling and casinos and detest street drugs, but I suppose one can be just as devastating as the other. I think with gambling however, some personal control is possible, I'm not sure if it is with drugs- for the vast majority I would guess not. :smile:

And in all honestly, I'm the complete opposite of you.

I don't gamble, have no interest in gambling and think it should be illegal...... but I support the legalization of certain drugs based on their level of mental/physical addiction and known side effects.

I don't gamble and it is a very rare occasion when I drink alcohol..... the only thing I do now is weed and tobacco.... it doesn't impact my job, my relationship or my interaction with the rest of my friends/family... I know my limits and I know when it's ok to smoke pot and when it isn't.

Some personal control is possible in any situation, be that drugs or gambling.... mind you, certain drugs like Tobacco, Cocaine, Heroin, Crack, Meth, etc. have some serious physical addictions, as well as mental addictions to them and even the most discipline-minded person could have difficultly getting out of that stuff.

Drugs such as Marijuana/Hash/Oil, Shrooms, LSD, Salvia and the sort do not have physical addictive qualities such as Cocaine, Heroin, Crack and Meth and if you try Marijuana/Hash/Oil, Shrooms, LSD or Salvia, you don't get physically hooked to the point where you're sick and vomiting all over the place or turn completely incapable of doing anything without the drug being in your system.

You may think to yourself "Man, a joint or a hit of acid would be nice right about now" ~ But that's no different then saying to yourself "Man, a slice of pizza would be nice right about now."

In other words, You like it..... but your whole world doesn't suddenly end/stop if you can't get any, nor will you go through withdraw if you can't get any.

That's why I support the legalization of the drugs that do not produce heavy physical addictions such as Crack, Meth, Cocaine, Heroin, etc.

Since I don't gamble and have no interest in Gambling, I can not speak for what it is like being addicted to gambling.

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1. If marijuana is legal, will you somke that? - Yes
2. Do you have any friends somke marijuana? - Yes
3. Do you think which is better between cigarette and marijuana? - Marijuana
4. Do you agree marijuana should be legal? - Yes
5. Should the government control the quantity of the marijuana? - No
 
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Medicinal Properties of Marijuana

Medical cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MARIJUANA
AKA: weed, cannibus, pot , dope etc.
RX: smoked dried, added to salads fresh
The much debated and scolded Cannabis, marijuana has shown positive effects on cancer, aids and glaucoma. So effective on aids patients from its ability to increase a persons appetite as well as relieving nausea allowing patients to regain weight. Marijuana reportedly helps glaucoma patients by reducing ocular pressure which can cause damage to the eye. It is the most effective treatment for chronic nausea. It is not physically addictive.
Warnings: Coughing, asthma, upper respiratory problems, difficulty with short term memory loss, racing heart, agitation, confusion, paranoia, possible psychological dependence.


Pot has been used for medical purposes for thousands of years. It has a proven track record that is disputable except by those who listen only to the propaganda put out the US government. The main problem with pot is its abuse as a recreational stimulant. A lot of people use it on a daily basis to get high. This not only causes the symptoms warned about, but also causes a tolerance that requires more and more to be smoked to get the same high. I rarely smoke the stuff (once or twice a year). It only takes me one toke to get really wasted because I have no tolerance to the stuff.

The Healing Properties Of Cannabis - An Index - 420 Magazine

Here is something to start you research on the medical uses of pot, JLM.
 

karrie

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I'm doing a internet research. Please help me.
1. If marijuana is legal, will you somke that?
2. Do you have any friends somke marijuana?
3. Do you think which is better between cigarette and marijuana?
4. Do you agree marijuana should be legal?
5. Should the government control the quantity of the marijuana?

1. Yes.

2. Yes.

3. that's a tough question. Cigarettes contain more chemicals, but marijuana has more tar. Cigarettes are also rarely a 'one a day' thing. I guess overall pot wins out as 'healthier' than cigs.

4. Legal? No. De-criminalized, yes. I don't see the point in criminalizing something that is naturally occurring.

5. No.
 

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Better question, would marijuana be as popular if it was legal? The forbidden fruit isn't forbidden anymore. Countries that have legalized it are backing off now, is there something about it we do not know?

No, smoking causes cancer, marijuana is no exception.
 

karrie

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Better question, would marijuana be as popular if it was legal? The forbidden fruit isn't forbidden anymore. Countries that have legalized it are backing off now, is there something about it we do not know?

No, smoking causes cancer, marijuana is no exception.

So does alcohol consumption. So do most prescription drugs.
 

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How Legal Pot Could Harm the Cartels


Tuesday, 20 July 2010 07:27



'So far, no modern country has ever legalized marijuana production—not even the Netherlands. Yet with heavy drug-related violence plaguing the U.S.-Mexican border, some analysts and policymakers now say that America should legalize weed in order to reduce the power of Mexico’s drug cartels.
Marijuana carries the least amount of overhead cost for many of the cartels and provides some of their cash flow for buying guns and influence. Estimates vary, but analysts say pot accounts for somewhere in the range of 20 to 50 percent of the cartels’ profits. But that could soon change with competition from El Norte: California has a proposition set for the November ballot—on which voters are roughly split—that would legalize the drug’s domestic production and sale. If the measure passes, says a recent analysis by the RAND Corporation, California could become a major supplier of the drug to the rest of the U.S. That, according to George W. Grayson, a professor of government at William & Mary, “would hurt the cartels badly.” RAND estimates that it could reduce the drug’s pretax price by more than 80 percent.'
Read more: How Legal Pot Could Harm the Cartels