Rights Group Calls for Cheney Arrest-in Vancouver

[petros]

Meanwhile in Libya...

Did Canada hire this guy?

• Top Libyan Rebel Leader Has Deep Al Qaeda Ties

Abdel Hakim Belhadj, who leads the rebel forces in Tripoli, was a founder of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, and is believed to have been close to bloodthirsty head of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
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bBelhadj spoke last week to Al Jazeera

By Jean-Pierre Perrin
LE TEMPS/Worldcrunch
For U.S. intelligence services, the man who led the rebel assault on Tripoli, and is now the de facto military governor of the capital, is an old acquaintance. The CIA had tracked down the accused jihadist, and eventually captured him in Malaysia in 2003. The agency is believed to have then transferred him, in total silence, to a “top secret” prison in Bangkok.
At that time, Abdel Hakim Belhadj, identified under the name of Abu Abdallah al-Sadek, born May 1, 1966, was already known for his long history as a jihad operative. This career began in 1988 in Afghanistan, like many other Islamist activists.
However if the CIA wanted him, it’s first because he was one of the founders, and even the “emir” of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), a small highly radical organization, which prior to Sept. 11 had two secret training camps in Afghanistan. The CIA was extremely interested in one of them, Shahid Cheikh Abu Yahya, about 19 miles north of Kabul, where the LIFG welcomed volunteers who had links with Al Qaeda.
Osama Bin Laden’s organization had many Libyans among its leading members, including Abu al-Laith al-Libi, one of Al-Qaeda’s military chiefs who was killed in Afghanistan in 2008. In 2007, the LIFG was given the seal of approval by Ayman al Zawahiri, then Al-Qaeda’s number two, and current successor of Bin Laden at the helm of the network. The LIFG then called on Libyans to rebel against Gaddafi, the U.S. and the other “infidels” of the West.
After Afghanistan, Belhadj traveled to Pakistan and Iraq. In Iraq, where the Libyans are the second most numerous group of Islamist volunteers after the Saudis, he was said to be close to Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, Al-Qaeda’s chief in that country until his death in 2006. In Bangkok, in 2004, after having long been questioned and possibly tortured by the CIA, he was handed over to the Libyan secret services.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Three weeks on the NY Times Best Sellers List!

Ouch!



Meanwhile in Libya...

Man I can't wait til we get our new kickass jets.

 

[EagleSmack]

Man I can't wait til we get our new kickass jets.

These ones?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

These ones?

Yeah, it'll be great to have something that wasn't built before the Commodore 64.

 

[earth_as_one]

While Harper is PM, Canada will be a safe haven for American war criminals.

Whatever went on between Saddam and Kuwait is small potatoes, he murdered on average between 30 thouand and 60 thousand of his own people for 30 years. He's right up there with Hitler, Stalin and Idi Amin. Bush Jr. did the right thing, Bush Sr. f*****d up. :smile:

No doubt Hussein was not a nice guy. I've been against Hussein since the early 1980's when he executed his rivals to take power. Americans should have condemned Hussein's use of chemical weapons at the time it happened, not 15 years later. I support blaming Hussein every death resulting from the wars he started and revolts he crushed.

I also support holding Bush and Cheney to the same standard as Hussein. These guys should also be held responsible for every death resulting from the Iraq war and the subsequent ongoing rebellion. Cheney and Bush should also be held responsible for their decision to authorize torture.

After reading the posts in this thread, its clear, many people are unaware of how much the US supported Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. Here are some facts that Bush and Reagan supporters ignore:

The US never had any problems with Hussein using chemical weapons against anyone, especially against Iranians.
Halabja - America didn't seem to mind poison gas - NYTimes.com

When Europe imposed an arms embargo against Iraq for using CWs against civilians, the US responded by picking up the slack and selling Hussein more arms. The US also provided loan guarantees and financing. That was all done under Ronald Reagan's watch. You can read all the details here:
Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

This NYT article describes the level of US assistance to Iraq... after the US tried to blame Iran for the CW attack, even though they knew the truth that it was Iraq. The US only conceded Iraq was responsible after the evidence was irrefutable. Then the US issued a meaningless condemnation, while continuing to support Hussein's brutal regime covertly:
OFFICERS SAY U.S. AIDED IRAQ IN WAR DESPITE USE OF GAS - New York Times

This investigative author put all the above pieces together, with more details in a book about US involvement in the Iran/Iraq war and summarized his findings here:
Barry Lando: A Secret War Against Iran? We've Done It Once-Why Not Again?

Given this close relationship between the US and Saddam Hussein throughout the 1980's, it would not be unreasonable for Iraq to conclude in 1990 that the US would back stab Kuwait in return for favorable oil concessions. If the US didn't want Iraq to invade Kuwait, then they should have stated this clearly rather than just saying "the US doesn't take sides in Arab-Arab disputes", which could be interpreted as "you people do what you like to each other, we just want your oil."

BTW, I'm not crying any tears for Hussein. I'm just pointing out the lies and deceptions which Cheney and others used to manipulate the masses into supporting an unprovoked war.

I've supported an arms embargo against Iraq since the Halabja CW attack. The US is the only Western country which continued selling arms to Iraq after that attack. I was against blocking food and medicine during the 1990's, because I am against collectively punishing civilians. As far as I know, collective punishment has never caused people to rise up and overthrow their leader. Collective punishment tends to have the opposite effect. Everyone in the country unites against a common enemy... the people responsible for the collective punishment. It allowed Hussein to use food and medicine as a means to oppress his people.

If the US did not invade Iraq in 2003, its very likely that the Iraqis would be revolting against Hussein now as part of the Arab spring. Americans should arrest Cheney themselves and charge him with gross incompetence.

 

[Colpy]

Does "democracy" include invading another nation on the basis of LIES......for the purposes of doing a regime change ( ILLEGAL( and installing a US friendly gov't in the region , while slaughtering over a million of its population?? Is THAT the kind of "democracy " you want defended???

It is NOT about defending anyone.It is about evaluating and discussing the various actions taken and questioning their legality and the MOTIVES behind them.

IF you really believe that the US invaded and is occupying Iraq for the benefits of the Iraqi people...... it is time to drink a different brand of Kool Aid. As IF it was merely about removing a despost leader , the US would have been out of there some time ago. You see any signs of the US actually LEAVING..........as in closing all those new military bases it has constructed there.?? Sure it mentions bringing back a few troops now and then and acts like that is a big deal. Smoke and mirrors is all that is.

First of all, if you want to talk about LIES "slaughtering of a million of its population" is a blatant lie.

Who gives a fcuk about international "law"???? It is a joke, there is no law where anyone has the ability to ignore it.

Ahhh REALITY

Secret US documents released by Wikileaks indicate 100,000 non-combatant deaths in Iraq.........a little short of the "over one million" BS.

As of August 2011 there were only 44,000 US troops in Iraq......down from 200,000 all nationalities that took part in the invasion.

Those, except for a very few advisors, will be gone within six months, at the request of the Iraqi gov't............strange way to occupy a country....most of those new bases have ALREADY been turned over to Iraqi soldiers......

I suggest you put down the kool-aid.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

While Harper is PM, Canada will be a safe haven for American war criminals.



No doubt Hussein was not a nice guy. I've been against Hussein since the early 1980's when he executed his rivals to take power. Americans should have condemned Hussein's use of chemical weapons at the time it happened, not 15 years later. I support blaming Hussein every death resulting from the wars he started and revolts he crushed.

I also support holding Bush and Cheney to the same standard as Hussein. These guys should also be held responsible for every death resulting from the Iraq war and the subsequent ongoing rebellion. Cheney and Bush should also be held responsible for their decision to authorize torture.

After reading the posts in this thread, its clear, many people are unaware of how much the US supported Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. Here are some facts that Bush and Reagan supporters ignore:

The US never had any problems with Hussein using chemical weapons against anyone, especially against Iranians.
Halabja - America didn't seem to mind poison gas - NYTimes.com

When Europe imposed an arms embargo against Iraq for using CWs against civilians, the US responded by picking up the slack and selling Hussein more arms. The US also provided loan guarantees and financing. That was all done under Ronald Reagan's watch. You can read all the details here:
Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

This NYT article describes the level of US assistance to Iraq... after the US tried to blame Iran for the CW attack, conceded Iraq was responsible after the evidence was irrefutable and then issued a meaningless condemnation, while continuing to support Hussein's brutal regime covertly:
OFFICERS SAY U.S. AIDED IRAQ IN WAR DESPITE USE OF GAS - New York Times

This investigative author put all the above pieces together, with more details in a book about US involvement in the Iran/Iraq war and summarized his findings here:
Barry Lando: A Secret War Against Iran? We've Done It Once-Why Not Again?

Given this close relationship between the US and Saddam Hussein throughout the 1980's, it would not be unreasonable for Iraq to conclude in 1990 that the US would back stab Kuwait in return for favorable oil concessions. If the US didn't want Iraq to invade Kuwait, then they should have stated this clearly rather than just saying "the US doesn't take sides in Arab-Arab disputes", which could be interpreted as "you people do what you like to each other, we just want your oil."

BTW, I'm not crying any tears for Hussein. I'm just pointing out the lies and deceptions which Cheney and others used to manipulate the masses into supporting an unprovoked war.

I've supported an arms embargo against Iraq since the Halabja CW attack. The US is the only Western country which continued selling arms to Iraq after that attack. I was against blocking food and medicine during the 1990's, because I am against collectively punishing civilians. As far as I know, collective punishment has never caused people to rise up and overthrow their leader. Collective punishment tends to have the opposite effect. Everyone in the country unites against a common enemy... the people responsible for the collective punishment. It allowed Hussein to use food and medicine as a means to oppress his people.

If the US did not invade Iraq in 2003, its very likely that the Iraqis would be revolting against Hussein now as part of the Arab spring. Americans should arrest Cheney themselves and charge him with gross incompetence.

You are a first class idiot and yes I know this post will likely get zapped, but I just wanted to say what most people are thinking.

Okay EAO report away.

 

[EagleSmack]

Americans should arrest Cheney themselves and charge him with gross incompetence.

As if that will happen. Stop being so silly.

 

[ironsides]

While Harper is PM, Canada will be a safe haven for American war criminals.



No doubt Hussein was not a nice guy. I've been against Hussein since the early 1980's when he executed his rivals to take power. Americans should have condemned Hussein's use of chemical weapons at the time it happened, not 15 years later. I support blaming Hussein every death resulting from the wars he started and revolts he crushed.

I also support holding Bush and Cheney to the same standard as Hussein. These guys should also be held responsible for every death resulting from the Iraq war and the subsequent ongoing rebellion. Cheney and Bush should also be held responsible for their decision to authorize torture.

After reading the posts in this thread, its clear, many people are unaware of how much the US supported Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. Here are some facts that Bush and Reagan supporters ignore:

The US never had any problems with Hussein using chemical weapons against anyone, especially against Iranians.
Halabja - America didn't seem to mind poison gas - NYTimes.com

When Europe imposed an arms embargo against Iraq for using CWs against civilians, the US responded by picking up the slack and selling Hussein more arms. The US also provided loan guarantees and financing. That was all done under Ronald Reagan's watch. You can read all the details here:
Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

This NYT article describes the level of US assistance to Iraq... after the US tried to blame Iran for the CW attack, even though they knew the truth that it was Iraq. The US only conceded Iraq was responsible after the evidence was irrefutable. Then the US issued a meaningless condemnation, while continuing to support Hussein's brutal regime covertly:
OFFICERS SAY U.S. AIDED IRAQ IN WAR DESPITE USE OF GAS - New York Times

This investigative author put all the above pieces together, with more details in a book about US involvement in the Iran/Iraq war and summarized his findings here:
Barry Lando: A Secret War Against Iran? We've Done It Once-Why Not Again?

Given this close relationship between the US and Saddam Hussein throughout the 1980's, it would not be unreasonable for Iraq to conclude in 1990 that the US would back stab Kuwait in return for favorable oil concessions. If the US didn't want Iraq to invade Kuwait, then they should have stated this clearly rather than just saying "the US doesn't take sides in Arab-Arab disputes", which could be interpreted as "you people do what you like to each other, we just want your oil."

BTW, I'm not crying any tears for Hussein. I'm just pointing out the lies and deceptions which Cheney and others used to manipulate the masses into supporting an unprovoked war.

I've supported an arms embargo against Iraq since the Halabja CW attack. The US is the only Western country which continued selling arms to Iraq after that attack. I was against blocking food and medicine during the 1990's, because I am against collectively punishing civilians. As far as I know, collective punishment has never caused people to rise up and overthrow their leader. Collective punishment tends to have the opposite effect. Everyone in the country unites against a common enemy... the people responsible for the collective punishment. It allowed Hussein to use food and medicine as a means to oppress his people.

If the US did not invade Iraq in 2003, its very likely that the Iraqis would be revolting against Hussein now as part of the Arab spring. Americans should arrest Cheney themselves and charge him with gross incompetence.

Get your facts right.

Part 68 – SEPTEMBER 8, 1988
‘‘As a result of our evaluation of the situation, the United States Government is convinced that Iraq has used chemical weapons in its military campaign against Kurdish guerrillas. Any use in this context is abhorrent and unjustifiable.’’ - State Department Spokesman Charles E. Redman
Today, State Department officials said that US intelligence agencies have confirmed Iraq’s use of chemicals in its recent drive against Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.
Until now, the US Government has always stated that it had no conclusive proof that Iraq was using chemical weapons against Iranians and Iraqi Kurds.


US: Iraq has used chemical weapons against Kurds

 

[earth_as_one]

Actions are stronger than words.

You might have a point if the US followed that condemnation up by joining the international arms embargo against Iraq. Instead the US continued to supply Iraq with materials and hardware which could be used to manufacture and deliver WMDs. Read my links and compare the dates... The US only stopped selling Iraq arms, material and technology for WMDs after Iraq invaded Kuwait... two years after that "official" but toothless condemnation.

 

[Goober]

While Harper is PM, Canada will be a safe haven for American war criminals.


E Fukin Nuff Buckey - Yes I tried to be polite but you are a 1st class XXXXXXX- What War Criminals is the Govt protecting - You mentioned on another post the Canadian were War Criminals - Proof - Not BShxt is required.
Put up or shut up.

 

[earth_as_one]

When did you post something polite recently G? You'll have to quote yourself, because I missed that post. You might have to go back a few years to find that polite post... which shouldn't be a problem since dredging up old posts from years ago is one of your specialties.

Bush Regime War Crimes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes#War_on_Terror

 

[Goober]

When did you post something polite G? You'll have to quote yourself, because I missed that post. You might have to go back a few years... which shouldn't be a problem since dredging up old posts from years ago is one of your specialties.

E Fukin Nuff Buckey - Yes I tried to be polite but you are a 1st class XXXXXXX- What War Criminals is the Govt protecting - You mentioned on another post the Canadian were War Criminals - Proof - Not BShxt is required.
Put up or shut up.
So after reading the below again then be kind enuff to answer the above questions which have been asked before - You tar people with War Criminal - all Canadians - and i am sure it is directed at Conservatives and Soldier - My opinion. So Proof -



You read them - - Go the the Palestinian thread -

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...an-unilateral-declaration-independence-2.html

QUOTE=earth_as_one;1481044]

EAO - Just for you. Do accuse me of being impartial. Some excellent points and 1 State is not on the list.

Israel, Palestine and the United Nations: Yes to Palestinian statehood | The Economist

THE Palestinians are edging closer to getting a recognised state, at least on paper. Their application to the UN’s Security Council, pencilled in for September 23rd, will be rebuffed by an American veto. But if they then go to the UN General Assembly, which seems likely sooner or later, the Palestinians will win an overwhelming majority. The “observer” status that would be given to them would be similar to that of the Vatican—a position short of full membership, which can be conferred only by the Security Council. It would not make an immediate difference on the ground but would help the Palestinians on their way to the real thing by giving them a diplomatic fillip. It should be encouraged, for reasons of both principle and practice.

The principle is simple: the Palestinians deserve a state, just as the Israelis do. The United States, the European Union and the Israeli government have all endorsed a two-state solution. There is broad agreement that the boundary should be based on the pre-1967 one, with land swaps allowing Israel to keep its biggest settlements close to the line, in return for the Palestinians gaining land elsewhere; Jerusalem should be shared; and the Palestinians should give up their claimed right of return to Israel proper. That still leaves much room for negotiation. But provided that the Palestinian request at the UN, still unfiled as The Economist went to press, does not undermine the basic terms of this deal, it is hard to see why any peacemaker, including America’s Barack Obama, should oppose a proposal that nudges Palestine closer to real statehood (see article).


http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...nian-unilateral-declaration-independence.html

Point – Because the Canadian Govt does not favor a Palestinian State at this moment, having 193 other nations stick their nose into negotiations, having the Arabs wield another weapon to continue their trend of Hate the Jews.

So because of that we have a rogue govt in power that will trample Canadians Rights. Are you a Drama Queen???

Point – So anyone who disagrees with you is a Racist Bigot – That is what you imply

Point – Foreign Policy is good only when you agree. Please check China's – Russia's Foreign policy and who makes the grade on Human Rights

Not all Arabs are Muslim. Some are Christian and Jewish. A small number of Palestinian refugees are Christian.


EAO - Read the complete texts Petros and I both posted. Follow it - Not hard.

Who is cherry picking???? This is your first post in this thread which admits "illegal happenings" "on both sides". You never described the Israeli ones, but you did describe the Palestinian ones in detail.
Guess that is a Not Like on his post.Could you shorten them up a tad.



Did I say that. Post was ref Arab countries - You and I both know that.

Arab Christians? The ones living in refugee camps?

 

[taxslave]

While Harper is PM, Canada will be a safe haven for American war criminals.


E Fukin Nuff Buckey - Yes I tried to be polite but you are a 1st class XXXXXXX- What War Criminals is the Govt protecting - You mentioned on another post the Canadian were War Criminals - Proof - Not BShxt is required.
Put up or shut up.

Maybe she means deserters?

 

[Mowich]

These ones?

Ooooooh............very pretty, but you know..........I kind of like the classic lines of the old ones. Ah well.......onward and upward. They sure will put smiles on our guys faces. :canada:

 

[taxslave]

Watched some of the protesters on tv this am. I think they should move to some of the banana republics they are always so ready to support and see how long their right to be idiots remains unpunished.

By their definition my employer is guilty of war crimes.

 

[petros]

Banana Republicans..... I won't argue with that.

 

[JLM]

How many protestors actually take the time to get ALL the FACTS? How many protestors protest multiple causes? If Mohammar Kadaffy was in town selling books I might be able to see it. :smile:

 

[petros]

How come nobody protests al Qaeda in Libya being armed by NATO and given official support as the ruling body of Libya by Ottawa and DC?

 

[JLM]

How come nobody protests al Qaeda in Libya being armed by NATO and given official support as the ruling body of Libya by Ottawa and DC?

I think I'm going to start a movement protesting protesters because they are too f**king noisy! :lol: