Plight of the Polar Bears...Warming in the Actic,

[Tonington]

Your kidding right?

Very serious.

You thing the climate has all of a sudden stabilized into one pattern?

No...how do you think that I meant that based on what I said? We were headed towards an ice age. But the human signal now dwarfs the orbital signal which triggers the growth of ice sheets. Newsflash, ice sheets are shrinking, not growing.

This is what the arctic has been doing for the last 2000 years:

We were heading towards an ice age, but the orbital signal isn't all that strong.

Same thing every year?

Of course not.

Sorry but mother nature doesnt work that way,she will balance thing's out like allways and as past sediments have shown

Nice strawman. I never said nature works that way.

Why don't you try reading what I actually write, and discussing what I do say instead of what I don't.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Your kidding right?
You thing the climate has all of a sudden stabilized into one pattern?
Same thing every year?

Sorry but mother nature doesnt work that way,she will balance thing's out like allways and as past sediments have shown,**** happens,another ice age is inevitable,palm trees will be growing in the arctic again after that.

Mother Nature has her own way of working things out, If left alone, many times the ecosystem will recover. The problem is that Mother Nature is never left alone, man has a practically limitless capacity to pollute, to mess things up.

100 years ago, the very idea of humankind polluting the oceans would have seemed ridiculous, yet that is exactly what we are doing is devastating the oceans. In addition to over fishing (shark is on its way to extinction in many parts of the world), there is large scale dumping in the oceans, corals are dying out in many places.

And then of course, there is the attitude of complacency on the part of many. It isn’t really happening, there is no pollution, it is all a conspiracy by tree huggers and so on.

So yes, Mother Nature has her own cycle, her own rhythm. But humans have messed up the rhythm, the cycle pretty badly and will be totally disrupted in the future, if we continue going at the same rate.

 

[Kakato]

newsflash,ice sheets will grow again,of course they are shrinking,what do you think is going to trigger the next ice age?
Read up on chandlers wobble,study a bit of geology to see what's going to happen....again.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Why don't you try reading what I actually write, and discussing what I do say instead of what I don't.

Welcome to the club, Tonington. It has happened to me so many times (the reader reads what he wants to read, not what I have written) that I have lost count.

 

[JLM]

Mother Nature has her own way of working things out, If left alone, many times the ecosystem will recover. The problem is that Mother Nature is never left alone, man has a practically limitless capacity to pollute, to mess things up.

100 years ago, the very idea of humankind polluting the oceans would have seemed ridiculous, yet that is exactly what we are doing is devastating the oceans. In addition to over fishing (shark is on its way to extinction in many parts of the world), there is large scale dumping in the oceans, corals are dying out in many places.

And then of course, there is the attitude of complacency on the part of many. It isn’t really happening, there is no pollution, it is all a conspiracy by tree huggers and so on.

So yes, Mother Nature has her own cycle, her own rhythm. But humans have messed up the rhythm, the cycle pretty badly and will be totally disrupted in the future, if we continue going at the same rate.

YOu are starting to make a little bit of sense. Mother Nature will prevail in the long run. Without getting into the "hows" and "whys" and "whethers", man should just try to concenttate on cleaning up the mess he has made one Kw. or gallon at a time. It's up to the individuals to clean up the mess not gov't.'s job, besides if they do it we'll be really in debt.

 

[lone wolf]

100 years ago, the thought of humankind polluting the oceans seemed ridiculous alright simply because nobody gave pollution a second thought.

 

[JLM]

Anyone who thinks they can stop climate change by throwing money at it is on the same Ship....

Some of the truest words I've seen so far today. Actually if we all get together to clean up the mess we can actually save ourselves a pile of money. Just get walking and using the outside clothes line.

 

[JLM]

Absolutely. You can't throw money around willie nillie, it has to be targeted at projects which work! :lol:

And definitely not Gov't. run projects.

 

[Kakato]

Welcome to the club, Tonington. It has happened to me so many times (the reader reads what he wants to read, not what I have written) that I have lost count.

I dont have much faith in graphs that show ten or 20 years of ice melting,I would rather trust my judgement on the issues from the guys that actually do the real research up there and have spent allmost 30 years in the arctic,not someone at Cali uni with an internet connection and some sat. data they got off Nasa.

Even 1000 years of data is a fart in the wind,a volcano could erupt,then things change and your data is now invalid.

I spent a little over 3 years in the arctic and havent seen even the slightest bit of mayhem that all the peeps posting fearmongering about climate change have claimed.

But then again I didnt see any researchers either except maybe 2.

 

[Walter]

Actually if we all get together to clean up the mess we can actually save ourselves a pile of money. Just get walking and using the outside clothes line.

And stop using two-ply toilet paper.

 

[Tonington]

I dont have much faith in graphs that show ten or 20 years of ice melting,I would rather trust my judgement on the issues from the guys that actually do the real research up there and have spent allmost 30 years in the arctic,not someone at Cali uni with an internet connection and some sat. data they got off Nasa.

They're saying the same thing that David Barber is.

 

[AnnaG]

Anyone who thinks an ice age is beginning is clueless.

.... and totally ignoring the evidence and relying purely on anecdotal opinion.

 

[Kakato]

And stop using two-ply toilet paper.

I use less when I have the good stuff,that cheap crap in hotels is just that,you have to use a handfull to do the same thing as 4 squares of primo bum rub.

 

[AnnaG]

I use less when I have the good stuff,that cheap crap in hotels is just that,you have to use a handfull to do the same thing as 4 squares of primo bum rub.

Ain't that the truth. Using two ply rolls made of recycled paper is pretty cool, though. Recycled paper is cheaper than regular.

 

[Kakato]

Ain't that the truth. Using two ply rolls made of recycled paper is pretty cool, though. Recycled paper is cheaper than regular.

I worked with a guy in the bush once who never packed any paper so when you saw him come into the landing with a sleeve missing you knew you had to watch your step.
The faller used to give him hell for not "flagging" the tree where he took his dump.:smile:

 

[AnnaG]

I worked with a guy in the bush once who never packed any paper so when you saw him come into the landing with a sleeve missing you knew you had to watch your step.
The faller used to give him hell for not "flagging" the tree where he took his dump.:smile:

The hell if I'd ruin a good shirt when there are perfectly good leaves and moss around. Our ancestors had to use something and yet they still survived. lol
The faller had no sense of smell? 8O

 

[Kakato]

The hell if I'd ruin a good shirt when there are perfectly good leaves and moss around. Our ancestors had to use something and yet they still survived. lol
The faller had no sense of smell? 8O

Maybe the pine odour masked the smell.

Most fallers I have watched are usually looking up at the next tree before the last one hits the ground so he wasnt allways looking hard at the ground.
Didnt help when the guy brushed pine needles over it.
This was mostly intended for the boss who also did lots of falling.
The guy was allways eating our lunch so it was constant payback time.

Once I ran one over with my skidder and the damn thing lodged in my chains which were on the front.I could see it was getting ready to fly off soon so i slowed down to a crawl as i pulled my next drag of logs in,the boss was swamping on the landing and standing there waiting to help unhook my chokers.
I pinned it the last 60 feet and cut a hard right into the landing when that turd went flying off and hit the boss in the gut.:smile:

That was a classic.

 

[DaSleeper]

NSIDC: satellite sea ice sensor has “catastrophic failure” – data faulty for the last 45 or more days « Watts Up With That?

 

[darkbeaver]

The hell if I'd ruin a good shirt when there are perfectly good leaves and moss around. Our ancestors had to use something and yet they still survived. lol
The faller had no sense of smell? 8O

I believe they used cat tail down (the soft seed cluster) as well. I know that they packed babies bottoms with the stuff. It's very soft and fluffy and never chafes. You can also mix it with mud and build a house.

 

[darkbeaver]

The Vikings and the Chinese sailed arround Greenland nobody was worried about CO2 or global warming then and it's daffy to worry about it now. Adjusting the sun will be expensive, we will be in a deep freeze in less than two years. I have a very good weather beetle.