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Rick Peterson: The big reveal at Camp Cloud

By the time the RCMP moved in to evict protestors from illegal structures they had erected near Kinder Morgan's Burnaby facilities, the aggressive protestors who dominated the media and roughed up reporters had already moved on to the next demonstration, leaving only confused, probably homeless, people who had been recruited to the cause wondering what to do, says Rick Peterson.

Last week’s RCMP eviction of the Camp Cloud campers in Burnaby had a surprising revelation.

When the dust cleared, what we discovered was merely a cluster of confused, bedraggled and disoriented Camp Cloud residents wondering where to go next.

It’s clear now that many of those arrested and evicted are very likely homeless. They need help, no doubt about it. Here’s hoping B.C.’s social services can offer it to them.

They were vulnerable, needed a place to live and belong, and were easy to recruit to the cause.

But when push came to shove, they were cut loose and abandoned by the people who sold them a bill of goods and left them standing, alone, to do the dirty work when the rule of law came calling. That’s the big reveal of Camp Cloud.

Where were the angry, aggressive Camp Cloud leaders — the same people who roughed up two Suits and Boots volunteers two weeks ago?

They were nowhere to be seen. The very people who drew vulnerable people into their circle of shacks and lean-tos had long since flown the coop.

One posted a rambling video of wild claims about the event from the kitchen of a nice house, apparently her home. The others? Who knows — likely moving on to the next protest scene.

These are the same people who show up at other protest sites — especially fish farms. It has been well-documented they are funded by foreign interests — often people who have a financial stake in competing industries, like U.S. oil and gas and the owners of wild fishing fleets.

They’re not in it for the ideals, but to hamper Canadian competitors. Misinformation is their currency.

Too often they stand unopposed because the people in the industries they are going after are too busy working at their jobs or volunteering in their community to get out and protest.

As a result, what gets lost in the media coverage is the importance of the other side — just how critical Canada’s responsible resource industries are to our nation.

Simply put, Canada’s economy is based on resource use. Without it, our society collapses.

Canada’s resource companies pay a lot of taxes — as they should. Those taxes pay for the healthcare, education, and other social services we all, including Camp Cloud campers, rely on.

Also, we do it right, with strict environmental and social regulations protecting our land, waters, and workers alike.

Our industries deliver the metals electric cars are built from, the oil and gas we all burn in our cars and homes.

Our industries also deliver innovation — new, green technologies that will be our future.

Protestors don’t deliver innovation and jobs — or taxes that pay for their social services.

However, our industries are hampered every day by protestors and their foreign backers. Western Canada lacks pipeline capacity to get our oil to the world markets, so Alberta’s oil companies are forced to sell at a deep discount to refineries in the U.S. Midwest, giving up $40 million in lost revenue every day.

That’s money lost to Canada’s economy and gifted to the U.S. That is a lot of lost taxes, lost jobs.

Other countries around the world are still getting oil — but from places like Russia and Saudi Arabia rather than Canada. Places without our strong social and environmental standards.

Working people of this province have finally had enough anti-resource propaganda and misinformation.

We can’t let that story get lost in the focus on protestors and the spin from their radical, foreign-funded leaders who recruit homeless people to do their dirty work.

It is time for moderate Canadians to stand up, say that’s enough, and push back — not with violence and misinformation, but with fact and passion for our nation.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/rick-peterson-the-big-reveal-at-camp-cloud
 

matelot

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I'm from Manitoba, so this pipeline thing is not high on my agenda. However, I do have a question. Instead of attacking the protesters, has anyone given any thought about the clean up of bitumen in cold weather either in wilderness areas or Vancouver harbour? Do we have this figured out?
Of course we need pipelines and jobs, and of course Canadians need to consume the by-products for heating and transportation, but having said this, what's the answer in the event of a major spill?
 

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I'm from Manitoba, so this pipeline thing is not high on my agenda. However, I do have a question. Instead of attacking the protesters, has anyone given any thought about the clean up of bitumen in cold weather either in wilderness areas or Vancouver harbour? Do we have this figured out?
Of course we need pipelines and jobs, and of course Canadians need to consume the by-products for heating and transportation, but having said this, what's the answer in the event of a major spill?
What is the plain when a train of bitumen derails in the Fraser Canyon . If we are not transporting the stuff one way industry will find another . I also see our refineries are getting Alaskan oil tinkered through the same waters you are worried about .
 

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I'm from Manitoba, so this pipeline thing is not high on my agenda. However, I do have a question. Instead of attacking the protesters, has anyone given any thought about the clean up of bitumen in cold weather either in wilderness areas or Vancouver harbour? Do we have this figured out?
Of course we need pipelines and jobs, and of course Canadians need to consume the by-products for heating and transportation, but having said this, what's the answer in the event of a major spill?

As someone who has lived in Manitoba in the past, I can honestly say that referring to the transport of one of Canada's largest natural resource exports as "this pipeline thing" is so ...Manitoban. You'd be wise to research and educate yourself on the benefits to all of Canada that oil and gas production provides.

A quick Google search should be able to net your answers. Here's some information on one of the first sites I came across:

Getting the pipeline shut down
Once the leak detection systems alert that there is a spill, the pipeline is shut down. Valves located at key points in the line quickly shut off the pipeline.

Launching the emergency response plan
At this point, the emergency response plan is activated. These plans are designed to address a wide range of emergency scenarios, identify potential hazards to the public and the environment, and outline the process of handling the emergency.

Pipeline operators use an internationally recognized system, called an Incident Command System (ICS), to control and coordinate emergency response. The ICS is typically set in place within 120 minutes. Keeping the public aware is a key priority, so announcements will be made as soon as the details of the incident can be confirmed.

The ICS system is used by most first responders and emergency organizations throughout Canada, United States, United Kingdom, and by the United Nations.

Mobilizing emergency crews
First responders from the pipeline company arrive at the site as soon as possible to repair the cause of the leak and start clean-up. All CEPA members have trained crews standing by to respond quickly with Oil Spill Containment and Recovery equipment (called OSCAR units for short) to contain the leak. Pipeline companies also train and work with municipal first responders to ensure they are prepared to assist in a pipeline emergency.

Cleaning up and repairing the damage
Shortly after emergency crews arrive, more specially trained crews and emergency equipment arrive to clean up the spill and begin returning the area to its previous state. These clean-up specialists, biologists and environmental experts work as long as it takes to clean up the area.

Researching the cause and resolving the issue
Regulators work with the pipeline operator to determine the cause of the incident. Equipment and operating procedures will be adjusted to reduce the chance of it happening again. As transmission pipelines are one of the most highly-regulated industries in the world, incidents are carefully analyzed to learn for the future.

Learning from the incident
Key learnings are shared with all CEPA members as well as the public, to ensure everything possible is done to avoid similar incidents in the future.

Being liable for the spill
Major Canadian pipeline companies are subject to regulation that makes them liable for the complete cost of a pipeline spill, no matter whose fault the spill was. The Pipeline Safety Act clearly outlines that major transmission pipeline operators must have a minimum of a billion dollars in financial capacity to handle a spill. If the company is at fault, they have unlimited liability until the area is cleaned-up, and they may be required to pay clean-up and recovery costs to affected stakeholders and communities.

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION / SPILLS AND CLEAN-UP PROCESS

Hope this helps.
 
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Mowich

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As someone who has lived in Manitoba in the past, I can honestly say that referring to the transport of one of Canada's largest natural resource exports as "this pipeline thing" is so ...Manitoban. You'd be wise to research and educate yourself on the benefits to all of Canada that oil and gas production provides.

A quick Google search should be able to net your answers. Here's some information on one of the first sites I came across:

Getting the pipeline shut down
Once the leak detection systems alert that there is a spill, the pipeline is shut down. Valves located at key points in the line quickly shut off the pipeline.

Launching the emergency response plan
At this point, the emergency response plan is activated. These plans are designed to address a wide range of emergency scenarios, identify potential hazards to the public and the environment, and outline the process of handling the emergency.

Pipeline operators use an internationally recognized system, called an Incident Command System (ICS), to control and coordinate emergency response. The ICS is typically set in place within 120 minutes. Keeping the public aware is a key priority, so announcements will be made as soon as the details of the incident can be confirmed.

The ICS system is used by most first responders and emergency organizations throughout Canada, United States, United Kingdom, and by the United Nations.

Mobilizing emergency crews
First responders from the pipeline company arrive at the site as soon as possible to repair the cause of the leak and start clean-up. All CEPA members have trained crews standing by to respond quickly with Oil Spill Containment and Recovery equipment (called OSCAR units for short) to contain the leak. Pipeline companies also train and work with municipal first responders to ensure they are prepared to assist in a pipeline emergency.

Cleaning up and repairing the damage
Shortly after emergency crews arrive, more specially trained crews and emergency equipment arrive to clean up the spill and begin returning the area to its previous state. These clean-up specialists, biologists and environmental experts work as long as it takes to clean up the area.

Researching the cause and resolving the issue
Regulators work with the pipeline operator to determine the cause of the incident. Equipment and operating procedures will be adjusted to reduce the chance of it happening again. As transmission pipelines are one of the most highly-regulated industries in the world, incidents are carefully analyzed to learn for the future.

Learning from the incident
Key learnings are shared with all CEPA members as well as the public, to ensure everything possible is done to avoid similar incidents in the future.

Being liable for the spill
Major Canadian pipeline companies are subject to regulation that makes them liable for the complete cost of a pipeline spill, no matter whose fault the spill was. The Pipeline Safety Act clearly outlines that major transmission pipeline operators must have a minimum of a billion dollars in financial capacity to handle a spill. If the company is at fault, they have unlimited liability until the area is cleaned-up, and they may be required to pay clean-up and recovery costs to affected stakeholders and communities.

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION / SPILLS AND CLEAN-UP PROCESS

Hope this helps.


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There is no way to clean up the potential bitumen spills on the kinder Morgan.

How they ever got approval to start is beyond me.

There is no way they will get an expansion.
 

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I'm from Manitoba, so this pipeline thing is not high on my agenda. However, I do have a question. Instead of attacking the protesters, has anyone given any thought about the clean up of bitumen in cold weather either in wilderness areas or Vancouver harbour? Do we have this figured out?
Of course we need pipelines and jobs, and of course Canadians need to consume the by-products for heating and transportation, but having said this, what's the answer in the event of a major spill?

That has been dealt with years ago. Plans are in place even though the chances of a spill are less than being hit by lightening.

There is no way to clean up the potential bitumen spills on the kinder Morgan.

How they ever got approval to start is beyond me.

There is no way they will get an expansion.

Yet another clueless post from a clueless kid. See what happens when you go to public school? You get filled with useless dogma and bullshit instead of getting an education and the ability of independent thought.
 

matelot

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Thanks for the info. The question remains though..... How does all this happen at -10C or -30C in wilderness areas. Bitumen is really thick to begin with but in those temps it must be worse.
 

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Neither. Leave that crap in the ground.
And no, it has nothing to do with BC cars and trucks. It is not for domestic use. It is for export. It has nothing to do with me driving. That is a stupid argument.



Soooo, where does the fuel Western Canadians (anyway) use come from? Eastern Canada comes from Venezuela or Saudi Arabia. We have refineries in Edmonton that I suspect use Canadian oil so not ALL oil is for exports albeit a lot of it will be once we get a pipeline.


Besides, selling it outside the country is what we need to get our finances in order but hey, lets just leave a humongous debt for the "rug rats" and leave our wealth in the ground. That'll work just fine! We don't need no healthcare or edumication for those same "rug rats" nor any social services either. Hell, we'll just tax the hell out of people instead and become a 3rd world country. Yep, sounds like a good plan!
 

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Soooo, where does the fuel Western Canadians (anyway) use come from? Eastern Canada comes from Venezuela or Saudi Arabia. We have refineries in Edmonton that I suspect use Canadian oil so not ALL oil is for exports albeit a lot of it will be once we get a pipeline.


Besides, selling it outside the country is what we need to get our finances in order but hey, lets just leave a humongous debt for the "rug rats" and leave our wealth in the ground. That'll work just fine! We don't need no healthcare or edumication for those same "rug rats" nor any social services either. Hell, we'll just tax the hell out of people instead and become a 3rd world country. Yep, sounds like a good plan!

Most pipelines head straight south.

"Drink Canada Dry"
 

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Thanks for the info. The question remains though..... How does all this happen at -10C or -30C in wilderness areas. Bitumen is really thick to begin with but in those temps it must be worse.

If you are from Manitoba there has been spills in your province ever hear of any problems caused from them? Oil doesn't freeze, But if it gets stiff enough you can scoop it up with excavators hauled out by dump trucks easier clean up in the winter due to no "soak" in to the ground, scrape, steam, and squeegee until all Bitumen is cleaned up. Oil floats in water skim and vac, streams and rivers find the bends in the stream/river skim and vac, not a big deal.
 

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If you are from Manitoba there has been spills in your province ever hear of any problems caused from them? Oil doesn't freeze, But if it gets stiff enough you can scoop it up with excavators hauled out by dump trucks easier clean up in the winter due to no "soak" in to the ground, scrape, steam, and squeegee until all Bitumen is cleaned up. Oil floats in water skim and vac, streams and rivers find the bends in the stream/river skim and vac, not a big deal.

Cleaning up an oil spill is far easier and more effective than trying (in vain) to clean-up and reverse the effects of dumping millions of tons of raw sewage into the ocean.

Fact
 

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If you look at natural seeps, vegetation encircles them and that vegetation is thriving.


The coastline where the Exxon Valdez ran aground was thriving within a few short years.

.... Not so much for the fish that die within 20 minutes of coming into contact with Vancouver and Victoria's immense volumes of raw sewage they release into the waters each and every day