I have yet to see that either. But that also didn't happen in Israel so how is that relevant? The closest thats come is Israel saying "get out of the open this place is being shelled" and then shelling the place 24 hours later, and hitting a building people were hiding in. Its unfortunate, but would the better alternative be shelling without warning?
Our news is lying to us about the Gaza conflict
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I have yet to see that either. But that also didn't happen in Israel so how is that relevant? The closest thats come is Israel saying "get out of the open this place is being shelled" and then shelling the place 24 hours later, and hitting a building people were hiding in. Its unfortunate, but would the better alternative be shelling without warning?
News media lying to us in regards to the Gaza conflict? That all depends on which news media and from what perspective.
We must remember that the Gaza conflict is about a group of terrorists by the name of Hamas firing rockets into Israel and Israel fighting back by targetting the Hamas terrorists. The difference between Hamas and Israel is that Hamas deliberately targets innocent civilians (women and children) with it's rocket attacks while the Israeli troops target Hamas terrorists specifically.
As Canadians or Americans, both of our governments have tagged Hamas as a terrorist organization and for good reason (one reason is the example I have just stated above). As such, Hamas is our enemy. It would be great if we could provide the Israeli troops with military support and help them hunt down the terrorists. After all Hamas is as much our enemy as it is theirs.
With the ongoing global war against terror, there is only one way to deal with terrorists, go after them, hunt them down wherever they may be and eliminate them.
We must remember that the Gaza conflict is about a group of terrorists by the name of Hamas firing rockets into Israel and Israel fighting back by targetting the Hamas terrorists. The difference between Hamas and Israel is that Hamas deliberately targets innocent civilians (women and children) with it's rocket attacks while the Israeli troops target Hamas terrorists specifically.
As Canadians or Americans, both of our governments have tagged Hamas as a terrorist organization and for good reason (one reason is the example I have just stated above). As such, Hamas is our enemy. It would be great if we could provide the Israeli troops with military support and help them hunt down the terrorists. After all Hamas is as much our enemy as it is theirs.
With the ongoing global war against terror, there is only one way to deal with terrorists, go after them, hunt them down wherever they may be and eliminate them.
Of course we have. This was a pretty big story when it happened. Wasn't the first friendly fire and unfortunately won't be the last.
Hundreds of thousands protest in Spain and France against Zionist imperialism and terrorism. That's because the Europeans report the truth about Zionism's crimes against Palestinians. We need that type of media in North America.
More than 100,000 in pro-Gaza march in Spain - Europe- msnbc.com
كونا : Mass protests in France over Israeli action in Gaza - الشؤون السياسية - 10/01/2009
More than 100,000 in pro-Gaza march in Spain - Europe- msnbc.com
كونا : Mass protests in France over Israeli action in Gaza - الشؤون السياسية - 10/01/2009
No, that is because much of Europe is sorry the Germans didn't get ALL the Jews between 1941 and 1945.........the continuation of 1,000+ years of distrust and hatred of Jews in Europe is hardly a big surprize.
Brilliant answer, Colpy.
That's why so many thousands upon thousands of European civilians and soldiers died to liberate their continent from the Nazis:
World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
... just so that they could feel sorry for themselves in that not enough Jews were killed. What a truly brilliant answer!
That's why so many thousands upon thousands of European civilians and soldiers died to liberate their continent from the Nazis:
World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
... just so that they could feel sorry for themselves in that not enough Jews were killed. What a truly brilliant answer!
And as one of the articles points out, Spain was under Muslim conquest for 800 years. In fact, more Spaniards died because of Christo-Islamic wars over that time span than did in World War II. Further proof that yours is a brilliant {sic} answer.
Check your blood presure Colpy there dosen't seem to be any getting past your tongue.
The establishment media says Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel and some people take that as gospel The establishment media has been making up stories, leaving out important information and outright lying for decades and there are still those who just accept their BS as gospel.
No matter how many facts are presented, or alternative view presented, some cannot see that perhaps they have been lied to. The only relevant facts that we need to consider is that the Israeli military is murdering hundreds of women and children, in clear violation of international law. These are clearly crimes against humanity and they are not justifiable under any circumstances.
No matter how many facts are presented, or alternative view presented, some cannot see that perhaps they have been lied to. The only relevant facts that we need to consider is that the Israeli military is murdering hundreds of women and children, in clear violation of international law. These are clearly crimes against humanity and they are not justifiable under any circumstances.
There are no reptiles Zzarchov there is only the continuity of remembered history and deciet refined to art and beyond, blood and bones cannot hope to outlive knowledge. You wouldn't like being a machine Zzarchov there is no love in them.Upgradeing to real power I suspect is a rigorous and mentally expensive undertaking, be happy with the six volts you have.:smile:
Let's back off on Colpy LW or we'll be footing the bill for further heart surgery, I don't want to waste any more money on him than is absolutly necessary to keep him entertaining us here.;-)
It's interesting how common the theme of "kill all the Jews" is at these protests against imperialism and terrorism. Even right here in friendly Toronto. Apparently there have been lots of attacks on Jews around the world as well. It's very sad.
They call for Israel to announce a ceasefire yet Hamas steadfastly refuses a ceasefire. Fair and balanced. We need that type of media here. Yup. :-?
Our news is lying to us about the Gaza conflict
Oh, what a revelation!!! I figured out decades ago that the newsmediais biased about almost everything, are not comprehensive in their reporting, they don't check their "facts" thoroughly enough, and omit facts or use misleading info, etc.
I don't care who started what. What disgusts me is that BOTH perpetuate the stupidity in spite of the fact that they should know better.
Oh, what a revelation!!! I figured out decades ago that the newsmediais biased about almost everything, are not comprehensive in their reporting, they don't check their "facts" thoroughly enough, and omit facts or use misleading info, etc.
I don't care who started what. What disgusts me is that BOTH perpetuate the stupidity in spite of the fact that they should know better.
I am well aware of what the media tells us and doesn't tell us. I am also well aware that Hamas observed the truce from June 19, 2008 until Israel blatantly violated it on November 4, 2008:
Haaretz, November 5, 2008
05/11/2008
IDF kills Hamas man in Gaza clash
Israel Defense Forces troops yesterday killed a Hamas gunman and wounded two others in the first armed clash in the Gaza Strip since a cease-fire was declared there in June. One IDF soldier was lightly wounded in the exchange of fire.
An Israeli army spokeswoman said troops had entered the territory to destroy a tunnel that Gaza militants had dug under the border in order to try to abduct soldiers. The unusually large incursion was approved by Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi, defense officials said.
The Shin Bet security service and IDF Military Intelligence provided the intelligence, they added. According to reports, the Hamas militants had dug a 250-meter-long tunnel near the Kissufim Crossing in the center of the Gaza Strip.
Palestinians near the al-Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza reported seeing Israeli soldiers about 300 meters inside the coastal strip. They also reported hearing IDF vehicles fire from the Israeli side of the border fence and the buzz of unmanned drones overhead.
The intelligence report about the tunnel led decision-makers to view it as a "ticking bomb," army sources said, prompting them to order the raid despite the cease-fire. This could mean that Hamas had plans to enter Israel and abduct a soldier or a civilian, as it did in kidnapping Gilad Shalit more than two years ago from a military post near the southern Gaza Strip.
Palestinian sources said a house east of Deir al-Balah, belonging to the Abu Hamam family, was the target of the incursion. The IDF intelligence report said the tunnel had been dug from inside the building in order to avoid detection.
According to army sources, the scale of the incursion was limited, and involved less than one battalion. The soldiers, apparently from an elite unit, drove a military bulldozer into the Gaza Strip. They surrounded the house around 9 P.M., and called on the occupants to step outside.
Eyewitnesses said the army also employed helicopter gunships, which provided the troops with aerial support. Residents said that one of the Israeli drones fired a missile.
The IDF reported that a large explosion occurred while the troops were waiting for the tenants to come out. One officer said the explosion could have come from a bomb Hamas militants might have planted there in advance.
The wounded IDF soldier, who was shot in his leg, was treated at the scene by a paramedic and taken back to Israeli territory.
At around the same time as the gunfight, six mortar shells were reportedly fired at Israel from Gaza, in yet another violation of the cease-fire.
"Qassam fighters are engaging in violent armed clashes with a Zionist (Israeli) force that raided east of central Gaza Strip," a Hamas statement said.
Regarding the raid's possible ramifications on the fragile cease-fire, one IDF officer told Haaretz: "There was a risk of an abduction which might have been carried out very soon. We did not intend to damage the cease-fire, to which the State of Israel is still committed. However, this raid caused less damage to the cease-fire than another Hamas abduction would have."
Palestinian medical workers said three gunmen were wounded by shrapnel from the Israeli missile.
Since the cease-fire, the IDF has launched frequent raids across the fence, albeit smaller in scale. The IDF is apparently interested in keeping these incursions low-profile, and they receive little attention in the Israeli media. Additionally, raids tend to be limited to addressing "immediate threats," as defined by the IDF.
IDF kills Hamas man in Gaza clash - Haaretz - Israel News
Does November 4, 2008 IDF raid into Gaza sound like a ceasefire violation to you? Sure does to me.
How about the last paragraph? Does the IDF launching frequent raids into Gaza sound like ceasefire violations to you? Sure does to me.
How about this:
Can you read this headline?
Notice the date?
Can you recall our news reporting these events?
You probably don't remember because Israel timed it to coincide with this event:
Coincidence?
But maybe you know something I don't. Can you or anyone else find any evidence of Hamas firing rockets or mortars into Israel during the time Israel was violating the truce with its frequent raids into Gaza? That would be since the truce started on June 19, 2008 until Israel killed half a dozen Hamas members on November 4, 2008.
I found evidence that militant groups associated with Fatah fired rockets from Gaza into Israel and they were subsequently arrested by Hamas:
Haaretz July 7, 2008
10/07/2008Hamas arrests Gaza rocket squad after two Qassams hit NegevBy Haaretz Service and News AgenciesTags: Hamas, Israel, cease-fire
Hamas arrested three Palestinians who fired rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip on Thursday, a militant faction said, in the first such detentions since the Islamist group and Israel agreed on a cease-fire last month.
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a militant offshoot of President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah faction, said Hamas men pursued its members after the attack and "abducted them" in Jabalya refugee camp.
"We demand their immediate release," said Abu Qusai, a brigades spokesman.
The cease-fire deal calls on Hamas to prevent cross-border rocket fire and attacks from the Gaza Strip and for Israel to halt its raids and ease an economic blockade of the impoverished territory.
Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri said "we stress that all parties should maintain the national agreement that was reached with a consensus."
Hamas arrests Gaza rocket squad after two Qassams hit Negev - Haaretz - Israel News
Monthly distribution of rockets hit
Monthly distribution of mortar shells
The graphs show that the total number of rocket and mortar attacks shrank from 245 in June to 26 total for July through October, a reduction of 97 percent. Even this was not enough for Israel, which violated the truce by imposing a terror-famine in Gaza for most of these months. But despite these violations, Hamas refrained from launching rockets until Israel definitively cancelled the truce on the night of 4-5 November by sending an Israeli commando squad into Gaza, where it killed six Hamas members....
ei: Israel's fabricated rocket crisis
Blocking international humanitarian food aid from reaching starving people (effectively using food as a weapon) is a war crime and a crime against humanity.
'no color" The facts do not support support this statement:
Seems to me the current Gaza conflict is about Israel repeatedly breaking its word, frequently launching raids into Gaza,starving and killing Gazans in violation of their June 19, 2008 ceasefire agreement until Hamas finally responded to violence with violence.
But the other part of Israel's plan was to keep people like you ignorant and misinformed. That part seems to have worked too. But maybe you can prove me wrong...