Our news is lying to us about the Gaza conflict
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Watch your choice Israel is our friend. Israel and its supporters are crimminals directly or by association.
Watch your choice Israel is our friend. Israel and its supporters are crimminals directly or by association.
When it comes to sectioning off humans based on their religion or race as being our "Natural Friends" ~ Well who's Natural friends? Do any of you even know a thing about me, my background? Maybe I'm Muslim..... so they're my natural friends?
Maybe I'm Christian..... so they're my natural friends? Then again, maybe I'm Hindu, or Athiest, or I worship flying butt monkies.......
Or does that statement mean that anybody who lives in North America (The West) has a natural friendship with Jews?
Why with the Jewish? Why not anybody else?
Seriously, what have they really done above and beyond any other religous organization/community to warrent them "Natural Friends/Allies" to me or any of us?
General statments like that seem like indirected propaganda to influence people's opinions into a defaulted sympathy reaction.
Just like "Respect your Elders." No sorry, I've always been taught that respect is earned not simply given...... and I have met my fair share of arrogant, crabby, disrespectful and ignorant seniors in my life..... just because they're old farts, doesn't mean I have to kiss their ass anymore then anybody else on this planet..... and when I'm older and I become more of a jerk to the youngins in the world, I would hope them youngsters give me attitude back to remind me to check myself.
Back to the "Jews are our natural friends" statement...... Nobody is my natural friend until I know and trust them..... just because you hold to a paticular religion, doesn't give you a green light to move into my home and live with me.
And even by some remote factor that they are "Natural Friends", if we were all true friends, then wouldn't you tell your friend the truth if you felt they were doing something wrong?
Friendship also means you don't just let your friend do stupid things and not speak up.
What sort of friend would that be?
Maybe I'm Christian..... so they're my natural friends? Then again, maybe I'm Hindu, or Athiest, or I worship flying butt monkies.......
Or does that statement mean that anybody who lives in North America (The West) has a natural friendship with Jews?
Why with the Jewish? Why not anybody else?
Seriously, what have they really done above and beyond any other religous organization/community to warrent them "Natural Friends/Allies" to me or any of us?
General statments like that seem like indirected propaganda to influence people's opinions into a defaulted sympathy reaction.
Just like "Respect your Elders." No sorry, I've always been taught that respect is earned not simply given...... and I have met my fair share of arrogant, crabby, disrespectful and ignorant seniors in my life..... just because they're old farts, doesn't mean I have to kiss their ass anymore then anybody else on this planet..... and when I'm older and I become more of a jerk to the youngins in the world, I would hope them youngsters give me attitude back to remind me to check myself.
Back to the "Jews are our natural friends" statement...... Nobody is my natural friend until I know and trust them..... just because you hold to a paticular religion, doesn't give you a green light to move into my home and live with me.
And even by some remote factor that they are "Natural Friends", if we were all true friends, then wouldn't you tell your friend the truth if you felt they were doing something wrong?
Friendship also means you don't just let your friend do stupid things and not speak up.
What sort of friend would that be?
I'm not going to say Z lies, but since I have been here, I think I have been given one source this whole time by Z..... usually the rest of the time we're just to take him for his word..... as I understand his approach. :-?
If the source is available on a quick google search, or wikipedia or a search of a few major news organization (BBC, Al-Jazeera, even..ug, "CNN") then I don't think its required to cite a specific source when 30 or 40 sources saying the same thing pop up at once with a five second key stroke.
Likewise, I usually just do my own research on an event (as long as it is properly described with a date or place or something to use), and If I am having trouble finding the information then I ask.
If there is something specific you want info on and can't find I will be happy to either post or PM it to you.
My cousin, older than I am, when I was in the secondary school, said to me about some Arab, and how do they respect their cleric:
The Arab said to his friend about the cleric: "This is the one that makes your father lawful for you mother!"
I went on admiring the cleric since then; but later on I understood it is not like that, but actually: "It is God that makes the father lawful for the mother, and the cleric is not more than a writer who writes [the marriage certificate] according to the law of God, without which the marriage will be an adultery"
Therefore, according to the religion of God, man will know who are his friends and who are his enemies;
his friends are those loyal and devoted to God, and his enemies are those enemies of God, like Satan the adversary of God:
This is in the Quran 35: 6
The Arab said to his friend about the cleric: "This is the one that makes your father lawful for you mother!"
I went on admiring the cleric since then; but later on I understood it is not like that, but actually: "It is God that makes the father lawful for the mother, and the cleric is not more than a writer who writes [the marriage certificate] according to the law of God, without which the marriage will be an adultery"
Therefore, according to the religion of God, man will know who are his friends and who are his enemies;
his friends are those loyal and devoted to God, and his enemies are those enemies of God, like Satan the adversary of God:
This is in the Quran 35: 6
إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ فَاتَّخِذُوهُ عَدُوًّا إِنَّمَا يَدْعُو حِزْبَهُ لِيَكُونُوا مِنْ أَصْحَابِ السَّعِيرِ
The explanation:
(Surely Satan is an enemy to you [who works to destroy you];
so take him for an enemy [and follow him not.]
He calls his party [to disobey God in this World] only that they [in the Hereafter] may be among the inhabitants of the Blaze.)
(Surely Satan is an enemy to you [who works to destroy you];
so take him for an enemy [and follow him not.]
He calls his party [to disobey God in this World] only that they [in the Hereafter] may be among the inhabitants of the Blaze.)
The problem with that is that I or anybody else could search and take one article that came up from searching something you claimed, but is somewhat different from what you read, and thus creates an even more confused state of debate because then you would have to go and clarify the differences in what you read, what is read in this, and what you believe to be the case.
When all you would have to do is provide one simple copy/paste link to what you believe is the "truth" so that we can accept it or refute it.
I mean if you're going to take the time to tell us or explain to us something you believe is right and tell us we're all wrong, the least you could do is provide a simple link to what you used to come to your conclusion.
Everybody else doesn't seem to have a problem with doing this. If we go and provide you with sources and links to references..... why is it such a big deal for you to do the same?
How about simply providing the content you claim to be true when you post what you claim?
When I am referencing or talking about something I have read, learned on my own, or have been told in some fashion or another, I take the time to go and search the internet myself, or search these forums myself, to save everyone else the time and to avoid these moments where one has to explain how they came to their conclusions such as you are doing right now.
I try my best to back up what I claim or believe.... I don't see why I have to take the time and spend the effort to back up your own claims for you when you don't have the interest in doing it yourself.
If you provide no sources to your claims and won't be bothered to do so, then why should any of us take the effort to do the same..... or even bother to believe you?
To me, it boils down to simple laziness and some expectation that people should believe you without question or proof..... or at least, for them to go and do all the work themselves.
As far as I'm concerned, no resources, no references, no links, no evidence and no interest in providing those things, means no value in listening to.
Even those who follow and believe in God can do wrong, which has been proven countless times in the past..... therefore just because someone believes in Satan, or God, or Jesus, or Mohammed, or the Ninja Turtles, doesn't make them my natural friend by default.
If those who believe and hold faith in God could do no wrong and all their actions were done perfectly to God's liking, then there wouldn't be a need for religion and people wouldn't need to seek out God in the first place..... they wouldn't be asking for his forgivness in the wrongs they have done, there wouldn't be a long list of commandments and rules to follow, because we'd just follow them based on instincts.
All of it exists because humans are flawed, no matter the race, gender, location or religion..... none of us are perfect, and because of that, none of us should simply give other's a green light in their actions and decisions, simply because of their religious beliefs.
Even this Israel official can admit that Hamas did not fire a single a rocket from the beginning of the ceasefire until November 4, 2008 when Israel launched its raid into Gaza which killed 6 Hamas members in violation of the ceasefire:
YouTube - Israel admits: "No Hamas rockets were fired during ceasefire"
Our news is lying to us. Many people in Canada and the US believe Hamas violated the ceasefire. But that's a misperception.
If you go back over the years, Hamas has repeatedly offered and respected ceasefires with Israel. In all cases that I know, Hamas did not break their word. Hamas has even offered and then respected unilateral ceasefires as Israel continued assassinating them and Gaza civilians.
For example:
YouTube - Israel admits: "No Hamas rockets were fired during ceasefire"
Our news is lying to us. Many people in Canada and the US believe Hamas violated the ceasefire. But that's a misperception.
If you go back over the years, Hamas has repeatedly offered and respected ceasefires with Israel. In all cases that I know, Hamas did not break their word. Hamas has even offered and then respected unilateral ceasefires as Israel continued assassinating them and Gaza civilians.
For example:
True.
"All sons of Adam are flawed (or sinful), and the best among them are those that repent (from their sins.)" -- Prophet Mohammed.
Nuts! Humans are flawed and the best of them are able to fix flaws. Who cares if they "repent" (feel remorse)? Does that fix everything? Noo.
There were four rockets fired in July, not 3, plus 4 mortars.
The beach shell incident was first apolized for by Israel, then denied when they investigated the facts. No shells were fired into the area where the Palestinian family was. Oddly, the Palestinan ambulance and camera crew knew the shell was coming and were johnny on the spot.
Yeah ... and there just happened to be cameras on hand at WTC 2. Be anywhere in Gaza or Israel and something is bound to go BOOM eventually....
It's interesting how common the theme of "kill all the Jews" is at these protests against imperialism and terrorism.
Interesting how you made that up considering how so many of those who protest against Zionism every year are Orthodox Jews:
Interesting how you made that up considering how so many of those who protest against Zionism every year are Orthodox Jews:
Yeah I made it up, I control the world media. And you thought it was the Jews!
Toronto: Police protect 5,000 screaming jihadist sympathizers from a handful of anti-jihad Canadians
Jihad Watch: Toronto: Police protect 5,000 screaming jihadist sympathizers from a handful of anti-jihad Canadians
Toronto pro-jihad rally: "Jewish child, you're gonna f****n die.
Jihad Watch: Toronto pro-jihad rally: "Jewish child, you're gonna f****n die. Hamas is coming for you"
"Hitler didn't do a good job"
Jihad Watch: "Hitler didn't do a good job"
Denmark pro-jihad demo: "We want to kill all the Jews"
Jihad Watch: Denmark pro-jihad demo: "We want to kill all the Jews"
Los Angeles pro-jihad rally: "Long live Hitler," "Put Jews in ovens"
Jihad Watch: Los Angeles pro-jihad rally: "Long live Hitler," "Put Jews in ovens"
London pro-jihad, Jew-hating rally turns violent
Jihad Watch: London pro-jihad, Jew-hating rally turns violent
Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one
Jihad Watch: Muslim "reformist": "Oh Allah, take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of people. Oh Allah, do not spare a single one of them. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one."
00:10:00
Alla-hu Akbar, Alla-hu Akbar
00:32:00
Hitler! Heil Hitler! Hitler! Hitler! Hitler! …
00:40:00
We must just kill all those Jews, man! Then we'd be rid of them, man!
00:45:00
All Jews, man, they will never be loved, never loved.
01:15:00
We are prepared for everything! Prepared for everything! It is you [shouting].
01:28:00
[Interrupting] Give us some Jews!
01:29:00
Now listen up. Now you go home, treading [??] where you want. If you meet some Jews.
01:35:00
[Interrupting] We **** them, man!
01:38:00
Tell them how many they've killed.
01:40:00
Tell them how all Arabs from Copenhagen, how all Arabs from [??], how all Arabs from Hitler, how their punishment will be, for the blood of the Palestinians.
02:00:00
[Assorted shouting, including:] ****ing Jews, man!
02:08:00
Death to Israel.
02:42:00
Kill the Jews.
02:44:00
Allah-hu Akbar
03:08:00
Israel under my foot, Palestine in my blood!
03:18:00
Muhammad Rasul Allah! [Muhammad prophet of Allah!]
05:20:00
Down, down Israel! Down, down Israel!
05:22:00
Down, down USA! Down, down USA!
05:24:00
Viva, viva Palestine! Viva, viva Palestine!
05:25:00
[The banner reads:] Is this defense?
05:30:00
Viva, viva Palestine! Viva, viva Palestine!
05:50:00
Give us some Jews! Give us some Jews! [Explosion heard]
06:10:00
Israel under my foot, Palestine in my blood! Israel under my foot, Palestine in my blood!
06:25:00
[Arabic – probably a Khaybar reference]
Turban Bomb: Pali-demo
Don't be too surprised if some of those taunts are manuactured by IDF undercover agents. Read the following books for reports on Zionist trickery:
Ostrovsky's By Way of Deception
Beit-Hallahmi's The Israeli Connection
Ostrovsky's By Way of Deception
Beit-Hallahmi's The Israeli Connection