Ont. court to rule on anti-prostitution laws
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Why is the extreme right determined to make illegal the very things that they practice but preach against?
I read somewhere that whenever there is a jesus convention in town the rental of in house porn channel goes way up.
Because those who practice illegal things that they preach against are in the minority, and rest of us conservatives don't mind letting the chips fall where they may. If you're caught breaking the law, you suffer the consequences.
So a "Sh*thole" society to you is a society that allows people to make their own decisions, choices & consequences?
I wouldn't seek out a prostitute ever, it's just not my thing..... but I believe it should be decriminalized & regulated for those who might.
By the way, I assume your comparing this possible "Sh*thole Society" to the current "Sh*thole Society" that has the same thing criminalized, sends people off to jail, risks the lives & health of anybody involved, whom then become a burden to society..... and still exists despite all the current legal actions in place?
Your wonderful utopia that currently exists hasn't solved the problems of prostitution, nor has it come anywhere close to wiping prostitution out..... I won't even get into the criminalization of drugs & the failures in that.......
..... sorry to say, but a society that doesn't do anything to reduce the problems that exist within a situation except to send people off to jail and thus, further wastes our tax dollars & resources on doing something that will neither work, nor improve our society...... is a Sh*thole Society.
A society that dictates what morals we should abide to and punishes those who don't agree, is a sh*thole society.
Common sense will tell anybody that no matter how many laws & rules you create, no matter how heavy a punishment you apply to "Offenders", you will not destroy or remove prostitution from existence..... just as you can not remove drugs from existence, otherwise they would have been gone a long long time ago and the laws & restrictions wouldn't be required today.
You can only reduce the impact on society by regulating and monitoring the situation, not continuing to punish people, sending them off to jail and pretending nothing is wrong.
Let's appeal to your "conservative" side (or is it the Churchy one - the two are so often confused) then and look at the money.... You take a lot more in on licensing and taxes from legal operations than you do from catching, convicting and incarcerating people mixed into the illegal ones....
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O.K. you never get sex for free, $30 to $80 from a street *****, or a new fridge, car,shoes, diamond ring for your honey.. the only difference is, you hope the milk man didn't make a house call before you get home from work.
Tax the hookers, GST, HST for a lay.
Why does it make sense to consider it "Breaking the law" when you decide to have sex with whomever you wish, whenever you wish, as many times as you wish?
It doesn't.... which is why the above isn't illegal..... but once you put a price tag on the above or accept "Gifts" or some other means of trade for that sex, suddenly it's illegal.
Why?
Because the laws say so?
Laws need to be justified in order to be considered valid....... and a few people supporting a law only because of what they think is "Moral" isn't a justification.
So you're saying that should someone come along, take control of the government by election and let's say for example,
outlaw religion, buildings used for that purpose and any books that may have some religious significance, you would get rid of your bibles, stop praying, never go to church?
Seems to me that you will go out of your way to blindly follow along with what you are told regardless of whether it's right or wrong. Yet you say you take illegal drugs yourself and so it is that I find it difficult to understand your position.
In this case, I think you're right.
It seems ridiculous that according to the courts, it is a violation of someone's rights to prevent them taking money for sexual favours........but perfectly constitutional to make it so difficult that the woman (or man) is in danger, and the spread of disease is inevitable.
Kinda nutty.
The law is there in order to help prevent people being harmed by the negative aspects of prostitution. Sadly there are those who can't read beyond that sentence to see that they very laws enacted to prevent that harm are the cause of more harm than they are supposed to prevent. Rather than change the law to better suit our times and culture, many are made to suffer on the rational that the few know better.
In other words, there are those who know that these laws cause more harm than good but lack the imagination to change the laws to stop the worst aspects of their application from causing harm while pandering to those who choose not to act for the sake of not making things worse.
We brought this on ourselves really by electing these people. Not just right or left wing either. Lawyers should never be allowed to serve in politics.
Which are what?
STD's??
The same argument could be applied to one night stands or entering into a new relationship. Should we also expect the government to regulate & control how we conduct our personal relationships & sexual tastes to such a degree that we could be jailed simply by walking out of a bar with someone of the opposite sex?
Or same sex?
Agreed.... many of the arguments that justify these old laws and restrictions are merely based on subjective morals & whatever other type of factual arguments they have to support their side can also be applied to personal relationships or one night stands.
Violent johns, violent pimps for starters.
Well we do. Let's say I take you out on our first date. I buy you dinner, we see a movie, knoodle a little in the handsome cab then, I bust you in the yap a couple of times and make you do my friends. Then while you don't have a thing to your name, I bring some new friends over for you to do and you'll do them too or else. Well you could go to the police and have them intervene on your behalf and stop me from beating on you. Not so much with prostitutes. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time and take your lumps as well.
So not really the same a dating or a personnel relationship.
Not really. Again lets look at employment which is what prostitution is. If you can hire your own driver, manager and pay for your own residences of your choosing. Set your own rates, establish your business practices and keep your money. It's not the same as a one night stand at all.
What a sad little argument that must rely on invoking religion in order for you to take a run at the legislation that is on the books... You want more safety features incorporated by the police and legal system made available for prostitutes, then work to change the legislation and make the practice legal.
As it stands, the practice is illegal in the eyes of the law and the expectation for special resolutions to protect prostitutes is right up there with initiatives to protect the pimps and drug dealers that exploit these women.
(Apparently) there are still laws on the books in Calgary that if they run ya outta town, they gotta give you a horse.
Look at the context before you pound the keyboard for a change. The guy's arguing from his pulpit and not considering upon whom his stuff falls.
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So why get knee-deep into the BS then?
If you have a strong point to support your position (which I suspect you do), then make it and deflate their argument.
Gauged by the silence re: the question(s) posed earlier, my estimation is there has been some pause for reflection re: suggestion offered.