Ont. court to rule on anti-prostitution laws

[Unforgiven]

Your own moral libertarian screed has its own Holier than thou 'asshole' quality to it, earth.

It's nothing new, its very conventional thinking these days, barricaded in an isolated fortress of radical individualism and self gratification, without any notion of the devastation that reaks to a community as a whole.

Despite being rude and stupid, earth.. you are locked in a solitude of ignorance and misery.

So exactly how does some John and a sex worker having sex for money is a hotel downtown devastates your community?
More to the point who would a brothel that is out of the way and regulated by the government devastating your community?

 

[earth_as_one]

I support legalizing prostitution. Then we can regulate it and tax it. Prostitutes should be a minimum age, and have to get regular (weekly/monthly) medical exams for communicable diseases. Before servicing a client, the prostitute must show the client their license which certifies he/she is legal grade A Canadian beef free of disease.

The onus should be on individual municipalities to control prostitution through local zoning bylaws. The default should be prostitution is illegal unless a municipality specifies otherwise with a zoning by-law which includes a license permit to operate a brothel with an annual renewal fee and inspection. Then if your community doesn't want this activity they need not lift a finger. I suspect that once the money comes in, many communities will create red light districts with varying levels of discreteness. I am against allowing purveyors of vices (like prostitution and drugs like alcohol/tobacco) to advertise or create a high profile. People who don't want to see it, shouldn't be forced to deal with drunks and prostitutes. Unless they go into the zone for alcohol and prostitutes.

 

[Praxius]

Your own moral libertarian screed has its own Holier than thou 'asshole' quality to it, earth.

It's nothing new, its very conventional thinking these days, barricaded in an isolated fortress of radical individualism and self gratification, without any notion of the devastation that reaks to a community as a whole.

Despite being rude and stupid, earth.. you are locked in a solitude of ignorance and misery.

What you are stating is what's ignorant & miserable.

What devastation would be had to a community as a whole when someone decides to have sex for money or haul a bong in the privacy of their own home?

The only thing being expressed is that of someone telling others to mind their own god damned business and focus on their own lives...... but I guess that's a bad thing and they're being "Holier than thou" by telling you to keep your "Holier than thou" attitude in check.... how convenient for you.

I guess it should be your right to meddle in the private affairs of other people then, is that correct?

Radical Individualism?

Give me a frick'n break :roll:

People used to think banning alcohol would reduce the "devastation" to our communities, when it only made things much much worse on so many levels.... and it's the same mentality, the same legal restrictions and the same meddling in other peoples' private lives that's going on today with drugs and prostitution that's really devastating our communities right now.

But you don't see it, because right now you get the freedom to sit up there on your high horse and finger point at everyone else with your "Holier than thou" attitude and are comfortable with that fact you get to try & force your subjective morals as if you're the pinnacle of perfection..... and anybody who points this out or tries to take you down a notch are radical individualism supporters, they're ignorant and must live miserable lives.

Sorry to say, but we're not the ones trying to make our miserable lives seem better by belittling other's lives & the personal choices they make by comparing them to ours.

You can do whatever the hell you damn well please with your personal life, I couldn't care less what you do..... go and take a hammer to your head..... go and swallow a balloon and then inflate it..... go worship your god.. whatever.... all others ask is you show the same level of respect and leave them to their own lives & choices.

Again, show us what kind of devastation legalizing prostitution or drugs would have on our communities.

Would married couples seek out prostitution and ruin families & relationships?

That's already going on today, so that's no argument.

 

[cranky]

I think that human traffiking is the real crime. money for sex happens all the time in various shapes and forms.

 

[coldstream]

I don't want some holier than thou asshole imposing their morality on me or anyone else. What consenting adults do with each other in their bedrooms is their business, not mine, yours or the government's.I don't want some holier than thou asshole imposing their morality on me or anyone else. What consenting adults do with each other in their bedrooms is their business, not mine, yours or the government's.

This is the point i took exception with in Earth as One's post.. because the complete opposite it the reality of the society these days. In May Damien Goddard, and presenter on Sportsnet Connected was fired by Rogers for stating in a personal tweet that he supported traditional marriage. Goddard did it because he is an observant Catholic, and because it was a matter on which he had a personal opinion.

Some time a ago the Ontario Court of Appeals forced a private Catholic highschool to accept two homosexual students who demanded to be recognized as a 'couple' at the prom despite of the fact that this was in direct contravention to the moral principles espoused by that Church and codes to which they had agreed to on entering the institution.

Keep in mind that the school did not ban them, or prohibit them from attending on their own or sitting together... but that wasn't good enough. They demanded to be recognized.. in essence celebrated for the acts the institution of the Church has considered profoundly disorded.. an intrinsic evil.. a grave mortal sin for 2,000 years.

There many other examples, throughout the 'West'. So who is under persecution here. The post-structural theosophy has organized itself into a comprehensive code, and it has become as puritanical and convention seeking as anything the Christian Churches have ever espoused. It's a matter of time before it demands capitulation to its tenets from the pulpit. So who is 'holier than thou', now.

I support legalizing prostitution.

I note how willing people are to protect the rights of people who are in the grips of bondage to drugs, carnality, prostitution to legally engage in activities with deadly consequences not just for them but for all around them.. all for some completely gratuitous notion of 'freedom'. And at the same time they are willing to persecute institutions and credos on which every aspect of our society, cultural and economic, are built. Hypocrisy as well societal devolution reigns in the halls of 'political correctness'.

 

[TenPenny]

I note how willing people are to protect the rights of people who are in the grips of bondage to drugs, carnality, prostitution to legally engage in activities with deadly consequences not just for them but for all around them.. all for some completely gratuitous notion of 'freedom'. And at the same time they are willing to persecute institutions and credos on which every aspect of our society, cultural and economic, are built. Hypocrisy as well societal devolution reigns in the halls of 'political correctness'.

I note how willing people are to transmit their prejudices when they are in the grips of bondage to institutionalized worship of a mythical being, all for some completely gratuitous notion of 'morals'. And at the same time, they are willing to look the other way when those same institutions are hypocrites, immoral, and unethical. Hypocrisy reigns in the halls of the righteous.

 

[Unforgiven]

I note how willing people are to protect the rights of people who are in the grips of bondage to drugs, carnality, prostitution to legally engage in activities with deadly consequences not just for them but for all around them.. all for some completely gratuitous notion of 'freedom'. And at the same time they are willing to persecute institutions and credos on which every aspect of our society, cultural and economic, are built. Hypocrisy as well societal devolution reigns in the halls of 'political correctness'.

Freedom to do with your body as you see fit takes precedence over your perception of what society should be.

 

[Praxius]

I think that human traffiking is the real crime. money for sex happens all the time in various shapes and forms.

Human Traffiking isn't exactly the same thing as Prostitution.... which is what the topic is about.

Most in here supporting the legalization of Prostitution are supporting the aspect where the ones involved are freely deciding to enter such a trade on their own accord.... not through force.

 

[earth_as_one]

Yes I think most people find human trafficking abhorrent. I support legalizing prostitution because I support the right of consenting adults to make free choices, including the choices willingly made by prostitutes and their clients. I am against forcing someone into prostitution against their free will.

 

[coldstream]

My original posts state that my chief problem with this process is that it is before the COURTS, and not being determined in a representative and popularly responsible Legislature. The difference is that a court can only deem it to be a 'right'.. and lock it in as such. Where as everybody knows Prostitution in not a 'right', it is a complex syndrome of human exploitation with profoundly negative consequences for individuals and for society. You might be able to argue it should be no more than a misdemeanor, or that it needs only to be regulated.. but once it is deemed a 'right'.. it might be beyond society to place ANY' curbs on it at all, even to limit it to red light zones. Do you want your neighbour to run a brothel out his place.

 

[earth_as_one]

There are no laws in Canada which make prostitution illegal. Therefore prostitution is a legal occupation. People have a constitutional right to health which includes the right to work under safe conditions. Currently the laws around prostitution jeopardizes the safety of prostitutes and their clients. Those laws violate the Charter right everyone has to a safe, healthy working environment.

Even if prostitution was made illegal, the Charter right to health would still take precedence over laws prohibiting prostitution. In order for laws banning prostitution to have equal weight as the charter, the politicians would have to amend Canada's constitution and put prostitution prohibition laws into our constitution. (unlikely).

 

[coldstream]

There are no laws in Canada which make prostitution illegal. Therefore prostitution is a legal occupation. People have a constitutional right to health which includes the right to work under safe conditions. Currently the laws around prostitution jeopardizes the safety of prostitutes and their clients. Those laws violate the Charter right everyone has to a safe, healthy working environment.

Even if prostitution was made illegal, the Charter right to health would still take precedence over laws prohibiting prostitution. In order for laws banning prostitution to have equal weight as the charter, the politicians would have to amend Canada's constitution and put prostitution prohibition laws into our constitution. (unlikely).

As i've stated before Communicating for Purposes of Prostitution IS illegal. This is a legal device which allows prostitution to be criminalized for prostitutes, johns and pimps.. without having to prove an actual sexual act has occurred.

 

[Unforgiven]

As i've stated before Communicating for Purposes of Prostitution IS illegal. This is a legal device which allows prostitution to be criminalized for prostitutes, johns and pimps.. without having to prove an actual sexual act has occurred.

Nope, it's a taxation device that has the benefit of leverage on someone you want to force into doing something.

 

[TenPenny]

As i've stated before Communicating for Purposes of Prostitution IS illegal. This is a legal device which allows prostitution to be criminalized for prostitutes, johns and pimps.. without having to prove an actual sexual act has occurred.

It's a legal device that gets around the issue of whether or not prostitution is illegal.

 

[cranky]

weren't there rulings in Quebec that allowed private lap dances and such in exotic night clubs? doesn't that involve some sort of payment?

 

[WLDB]

Legalize it completely. In my opinion consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever they want.

 

[cranky]

Hey, any word on uncle prostitution laws?

 

[ironsides]

Legalize it and regulate it as they do in Las Vegas, but keep the business at least 2,000 feet from a school or park where children play.

 

[chaty]

Prostitution is never going away, so it has to be made safer. Not just for the "worker" but for the client too. STD testing has to be mandatory because, face it, not every rubber works the way it's supposed to. Licensed takes it out of the hands of organized crime - the same as it should work for drugs.

I have to agree. No matter how you feel about the issue. The simple facts is that laws in this case has only served to create a sub colture and has failed to protect victims like under aged girls and abused women.