Links and proof please- also demographics of Jews, Muslims and Christian population by each century - that would mean info for 20 - a low number- You seem to be a fountain of information so my request should be at the tip of your fingers.
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Links and proof please- also demographics of Jews, Muslims and Christian population by each century - that would mean info for 20 - a low number- You seem to be a fountain of information so my request should be at the tip of your fingers.
I already posted a link twice to the genetic evidence which proves nearly all Palestinians and most Jews who claim to originate from this region share common ancestors. See the second link in post 196. If you didn't bother to read the link either time I posted it, then I doubt you'll read it now.
Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).
Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).
And that proves what- Genes I have will show I am related to the Kings of England, France and a few other notables.
Now the population numbers as requested.
He gave you what you requested. The stupidity is on your part for making this part of his argument important in some way rather than inconsequential to the present situation.
That's awesome. You weren't invited here, when are you leaving my land?I already posted a link twice to the genetic evidence which proves nearly all Palestinians and most Jews who claim to originate from this region share common ancestors. See the second link in post 196. If you didn't bother to read the link either time I posted it, then I doubt you'll read it now.
Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).
Since most Jews and Palestinians share common ancestors all immigrant claims that Palestinians don't belong here, are bogus. This conflict is about religion. The descendents of Jews who left this region 1800 years ago have no special right to the land owned by Jews who stayed behind and converted to Christianity and Islam (aka Palestinians).
How do you know they left- Still waiting for that population list bey century other wise you point is pure speculation.
Proof Buckey- proof- Lay it out or drop the rant.
Now you went and ruined a perfectly good tin hat racist theory with one simple fact.
Here in Canda our prisons have television.
Recreation areas too.
A prison is defined by lack of freedom of movement.
Certainly Palestinians have officially restricted freedom of movement.
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Their official food and medical rations are determined by their Israeli prison guards.
I am aware a lot of Gaza has been rebuilt since it was destroyed by Israeli war criminals..... despite Israel's crime against humanity blockade of building materials. Gazans survive on what is smuggled in and out by hundreds of tunnels to Egypt, that Israel periodically bombs.
Moving the goal post eh? You don't see the difference? It does not surprise me.
I could say it's you who believes a version of history unsupported by the evidence, but I know you don't actually believe what you're saying. You've been corrected numerous times on the "Ethnic cleansing" fallacy already, but lets go one more:
The growth rate of the Arab population in Israel is 2.6%, while the growth rate of the Jewish population in Israel is 1.7%. The growth rate of both the Jewish and Arab population has slowed from 3.8% in 1999 to 2.6% in 2008 for Arab and 2.7% to 1.7% for the Jewish population. The fastest growing segment of population are Arab Muslims with the latest growth rate of 2.8% for 2008.[
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So, in a nutshell, what ethnic cleansing? lol
lol yeah you've said that before, and if I recall I challenged you to go to Gaza and announce that there's no difference between Palestinians and Jews. I'm guessing you passed. lol
But you know as well as I do that what we commonly call Palestinians of today, the Palestinian Arabs, are a peoples invented in the 1960's. Genetic history doesn't mean Jack Squat in realpolitik, and that's a position I believe would be held stronger by the Arabs than by the Jews.
Of course, that standard will never apply to the Arabs, what are we up to now, 4 Billion refugees? lol
This is a perfect example of the dishonesty that keeps me unsympathetic to the Palestinian Arabs. You're trying to conflate Palestinian with the modern day Palestinian Arab. You're not fooling anyone,
Actually, the name Palestine originates to much earlier than that. I'm surprised you would pretend not to know that, since it was you who alerted me to the fact that Palestine is the ancient Greek word for Israel. It was you who pointed out that Aristotle referred to Palestine somewhere around the third century BC, I don't recall exactly and don't feel like looking it up right now. I followed up on that and discovered you were absolutely right. It also led to me discovering that there was a word for Philistina other than Palestine. Your reference led to me discovering that the common wisdom that the Romans renamed Judea and Samaria to Palestina to slight the Jews with a reference to their historic enemies the Philistines, is incorrect. It actually simply translates to Israel. Thank you for that.
.....and showed due humility and submission. We've had this discussion in the past as well, where you actually had the integrity to admit that living under those conditions would be unacceptable to the dignity of any people. Yet here you are again, flaunting it as "relatively" peacefully. Why would you downplay now, the intensity of what is encapsulated in that "relatively" qualifier?
and yet the population of non-Jewish Palestinians has been steadily, healthily, growing the whole time. Where is this ethnic cleansing you speak of?
There you go, evidence of my previous point. The influx of Zionists led to growth and prosperity for all.
....and the Earth grew a little bit to make room for Jordan, which miraculously popped onto the face of the map out of nowh....o wait, no it didn't, it comprised almost 80% of the British Mandate of Palestine, and was given to the Arabs entirely. You must have just forgot that part.
O, and the UN partition plan makes quite specific reference to the preservation of the rights of the non-Jewish .... err... sorry, non-immigrant lol Palestinians.
Also, I've been interested in this issue, as you well know, for quite some time, and have done quite a lot of reading. Never have I come across an Arab grievance stating that they're upset because the Jews got the "best land". lol That's your invention. And it's nonsense anyway, the West Bank has most of the good Arable land, which was slated for the Arabs. They passed. They decided they wanted no Jews more than they wanted Arable land to call their own.
Furthermore, the Jews made Gaza one of, if not the, most productive agricultural zones in the middle east. Gaza, too, was slated for the Arabs. You're arable land contention makes me embarrassed for you. Also, another example of why I have such a hard time taking your cause seriously. It just seems whatever claims are made, will eventually turn out to be lies.
So what's that, your third reference to the non-existant ethnic cleansing? Goebbels much?
O, ethnic cleansing, there it is again, I should have known you weren't done yet.
But I am.
Good night.
I see, so when these Jews converted to Islam and Christianity, they were no longer God's chosen people... Sounds like a perfectly good rationale for an ethnic cleansing war and justification to seize other people's property, land, homes, bank accounts, family portraits, silver ware, bedding.... (sarcasm alert).
Jewish is a RELIGION, not an ethnicity.
If I convert to Islam, I am no longer a Christian.
You are absolutely obsessed, and you really need to let it go, for your own mental health.
And I am not kidding.
If there really was such a thing as god I doubt she would have a "chosen" people. That theory exists only in the minds of various theocrats with their own agenda.
First off... Calling someone a Nazi violates forum rules. Anyone following this thread can see that I have maintained a much higher respect for forum rules and that I back my points up with references. Goober JTF and others here have responded with unfounded personal insults and taunts. Many of their arguments are based on $hit they pulled out of your asses rather than evidence. Let's start with the definition of ethnic cleansing:
Definition of Ethnic Cleansing:
The mass expulsion or killing of members of an ethnic or religious group in a society.
Ethnic cleansing is an action. The immigrants to Palestine used violence to ethnically cleanse areas of Palestine of indigenous non-Jews.
Are you claiming the mass expulsion of non-Jews didn't happen? Would you like proof that people who were not Jews were forced by violence and war to flee for their lives and that the only Jews were allowed to reclaim their property? Or are you saying that this conflict isn't officially an ethnic cleansing war until the ethnic cleansing is 100% complete?
I can also prove this ethnic cleansing war is ongoing. Every day a few more non-Jewish homes are demolished. Each day the areas where only Jews can live increase. and the areas where non-Jews can live shrink. The immigrants create Jewish only areas and squeeze a growing non-Jewish population into ever smaller enclaves, with fewer and fewer services, restrictions on building homes leading to over crowding.
I never claimed the immigrants are guilty of mass extermination or genocide as official policy, but I can prove that individual immigrants did commit acts of genocide and mass extermination... Deir Yassin is an example of a few immigrants going into a village and killing every man, woman and child. I can reference many other examples of atrocities which occurred before the immigrants declared independence.
My point regarding Palestine was to dispute the claim by Zionists that this region was a land without people, not that various conquering regimes didn't redraw the region's borders periodically. I'm looking at this from the point of view of people living in this region who can trace their ancestry in Palestine back to prehistoric times. Claiming these people don't exist and that they recently moved here contradicts the evidence that most Palestinians are the descendents of the Jews who never left.
I doubt many Palestinians would be surprised by the evidence that proves many of their ancestors were Jewish. Judaism predates Islam. The ancestors of many middle east Muslims used to be Jews. I suggest you read up on the origins of Islam.
The number of indigenous Palestinian people illegally dispossessed of their property and forced into refugee camps by the immigrants to Palestine 1947-48 was about 800,000. IN 1967, the immigrants displaced about another 300,000.
Since 1967, the ethnic cleansing war has become a battle for individual properties.
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Since East Jerusalem was annexed in 1967, the government of Israel's primary goal in Jerusalem has been to create a demographic and geographic situation that will thwart any future attempt to challenge Israeli sovereignty over the city. To achieve this goal, the government has been taking actions to increase the number of Jews, and reduce the number of Palestinians, living in the city.
In 2010, the population of Jerusalem stood at 788,052: 504,179 Jews and others (63.9 percent) and 283,873 Palestinians (36 percent). About 59.6% percent of the residents live on land that was annexed in 1967 (39.3 percent of whom are Jews, and 60.7 percent Palestinians). With the Palestinians having a higher growth rate than the Jews, Israel has used various methods to achieve its goal:
- Physically isolating East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank, in part by building the separation barrier;
- Discriminating in land expropriation, planning, and building, and demolition of houses;
- Revoking residency and social benefits of Palestinians who stay abroad for at least seven years, or who are unable to prove that their center of life is in Jerusalem;
- Unfairly dividing the budget between the two parts of the city, with harmful effects on infrastructure and services in East Jerusalem.
East Jerusalem is occupied territory. Therefore, it is subject, as is the rest of the West Bank, to the provisions of international humanitarian law that relate to occupied territory. The annexation of East Jerusalem breaches international law, which prohibits unilateral annexation. For this reason, the international community, including the United States, does not recognize the annexation of East Jerusalem.
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Regarding the unfairness of the UN Partition Plan:
Zionists tend to attribute Palestinian rejection of the plan to a mere intransigence, Arabs have always reiterated that it was rejected because it was unfair: it gave the majority of the land (56 percent) to the Jews, who at that stage legally owned only 7 percent of it,[40] and remained a minority of the population.[41] Mehran Kamrava also notes the disproportionate allocation under the plan, and adds that the area under Jewish control contained 45 percent of the Palestinian population. The proposed Arab state was only given 45 percent of the land, much of which was unfit for agriculture. Jaffa, though geographically separated, was to be part of the Arab state.[41]
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You've asked him that already, and were ignored. What makes you think he will do anything different this time?