Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.

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Farwell to Chavez, a populist crusader who became a paranoid thug...
After being kidnapped, blindfolded and taken on a CIA black helicopter ride with the bay door open and no seat belt on.


Colpy Copy Colpy....

You're already sketchy as it is, how would you feel after being kidnapped, blindfolded and taken on a CIA black helicopter ride with the bay door open and no seat belt on?

Would you take your gripe onto the world political stage and act like a prick to the US too if you were a democraticaly elected leader who was kidnapped, blindfolded and taken on a CIA black helicopter ride with the bay door open and no seat belt on?

Yes or no?
 

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You need to read this about your perceived paradise.

Venezuela

Walter I'M sure many posters would gladly steer you to many fine articles detailing your own perceived paradise and all of them would eventually review the respective economies perceived and actual and you would have to bow before charts and numbers making it plain even to you that you should take your pills more often and in larger bottles. If you could point us to this real paradise that you gauge all others against we would be beholden.
PS get your loot out of the bank

After being kidnapped, blindfolded and taken on a CIA black helicopter ride with the bay door open and no seat belt on.

Colpy Copy Colpy....

You're already sketchy as it is, how would you feel after being kidnapped, blindfolded and taken on a CIA black helicopter ride with the bay door open and no seat belt on?

Would you take your gripe onto the world political stage and act like a prick to the US too if you were a democraticaly elected leader who was kidnapped, blindfolded and taken on a CIA black helicopter ride with the bay door open and no seat belt on?

Yes or no?

He won't answer because he knows how much the fuel costs and he knows he's not worth that kind of money.
 

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Venezuela’s Economy Under Chavez, by the Numbers - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Venezuela GDP Data & Country Report | Global Finance

Doing Business in Venezuela, RB - World Bank Group

Venezuela crime soars amid declining poverty - Features - Al Jazeera English

With an average of 53 murders per day in 2011, according to the Venezuelan Observatory on Violence, a watch-dog group, the country has a murder rate of about 67 per 100,000 inhabitants. Neighbouring Colombia, in contrast, has a murder rate of 38 per 100,000 while Mexico - where some regions are gripped by deadly drug violence - has a rate of about 15 per 100,000.
 

darkbeaver

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There is no paradise on this world.

Well you certainly must have had someplace in mind when you said Venezuela wasn't it. Even so if there is no paradise on earth why would Venezuela be responsible for that absence? I think that any elementary investigation of half an hour or less would indicate that most of Venezuela has a better future than most Americans and certainly most Greeks and of course the British are eating their dogs. I think you're just taking advantage of that nations grief to speak evil of the dead and blame your market loses, actual and future, going forward into the unparadise that has become America, the continent not the failed disintegrating republic. Seen your gold lately?








dbOur Israeli lapdog leader will now speak drivel to the people of Kanadah, all rise and salute that six pointed star on the wall over there.db


Chavez’s death brings hope of a better future for Venezuela, Harper says

by The Canadian Press on Tuesday, March 5, 2013 9:08pm -
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OTTAWA – As he prepared to meet Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez for the first time nearly four years ago, Prime Minister Stephen Harper drew an ideological line in the sand.
He called Chavez for how he saw him — the leader of an authoritarian petro state that he saw as a relic of the Cold War, one that was on the wrong side of sound economic theory and practice.
As Chavez, 58, finally succumbed Tuesday to the cancer that he had been fighting for nearly two years, Harper had kind words only for the Venezuelan people that the charismatic leftist had left behind.
The prime minister said he was offering his “condolences to the people of Venezuela,” and that he looked forward “to working with (Chavez’s) successor and other leaders in the region to build a hemisphere that is more prosperous, secure and democratic.”
Harper said he hopes the death of Chavez brings a more promising future for the Venezuelan people.
“At this key juncture, I hope the people of Venezuela can now build for themselves a better, brighter future based on the principles of freedom, democracy, the rule of law and respect for human rights,” Harper said in a statement Tuesday evening.
 

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Harper said he hopes the death of Chavez brings a more promising future for the Venezuelan people.
“At this key juncture, I hope the people of Venezuela can now build for themselves a better, brighter future based on the principles of freedom, democracy, the rule of law and respect for human rights,” Harper said in a statement Tuesday evening.
This from the bozo who stated the political and environmental dissidents in his own country were terrorists.
 

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Doing Business in Venezuela, RB - World Bank Group
It isn't comparing anything from year to year and especially from from 1980-1999. GDP would be up but all that extra monet would have left the country to send up in the pockets of BigOil shareholders

Venezuela crime soars amid declining poverty - Features - Al Jazeera English
With an average of 53 murders per day in 2011, according to the Venezuelan Observatory on Violence, a watch-dog group, the country has a murder rate of about 67 per 100,000 inhabitants. Neighbouring Colombia, in contrast, has a murder rate of 38 per 100,000 while Mexico - where some regions are gripped by deadly drug violence - has a rate of about 15 per 100,000.
Those numbers are disputed and the NGO is no different and any other one funded by the US, they slant the numbers, that is why Russia kicked groups like that out.

Venezuela GDP Data & Country Report | Global Finance
Where are the numbers from before Hugo took power. Considering the sanctions the US instantly applied and the state of most of the population that spending is acceptable as it was done to improve the lives of the poor. He wasn't getting around like Obama so the data below isn't taking into account all the spending that was done to improve the lives of the least fortunate.

Venezuela’s Economy Under Chavez, by the Numbers - Real Time Economics - WSJ
Heavy government spending has fueled rampant inflation, which averaged an annual 22% during Mr. Chávez’s tenure. Its anticapitalist rhetoric and broad state intervention into the economy have led to a dearth of investment. Gross fixed capital formation declined to 18% of gross domestic product in 2011, from 24% in 1999, according to the World Bank. Net inflows of foreign direct investment stood at 2.9% of GDP during that same year, his first in office, nearly double the 1.7% in 2011. Capital flight from Venezuela intensified as Mr. Chávez pursued more interventionist policies, including capital controls and a fixed official exchange rate that — if you can get it — offers dollars at a quarter of the exchange rate that the greenback fetches in the black market. Stock market capitalization of companies listed on the Caracas Stock Exchange has gone from a paltry 7.6% of GDP in 1999 to a minuscule 1.6%.

Fernando Espuelas: Hugo Chavez Is No Hero
Hugo Chavez lied to the people, convincing many that his magical powers would save them from misery. There was no magic solution to resolve Venezuela's myriad social problems.


Now if the US was doing such a good job of helping run the country why didn't it look like Kuwait, answer is below, they were left dirt poor even after selling a lot of oil. Even with the downturn in income they had more cash to play with than what BigOil was leaving them and that only supported the elite that had favor with the US. Something like the way Israel orders Canada and the US around.

Greg Palast | Investigative Reporter
So what made Chavez suddenly "a dangerous enemy"? Here's the answer you won't find in The New York Times:
Just after Bush's inauguration in 2001, Chavez' congress voted in a new "Law of Hydrocarbons." Henceforth, Exxon, British Petroleum, Shell Oil and Chevron would get to keep 70% of the sales revenues from the crude they sucked out of Venezuela. Not bad, considering the price of oil was rising toward $100 a barrel.
But to the oil companies, which had bitch-slapped Venezeula's prior government into giving them 84% of the sales price, a cut to 70% was "no bueno." Worse, Venezuela had been charging a joke of a royalty – just one percent – on "heavy" crude from the Orinoco Basin. Chavez told Exxon and friends they'd now have to pay 16.6%.
 
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Where are the numbers from before Hugo took power. Considering the sanctions the US instantly applied and the state of most of the population that spending is acceptable as it was done to improve the lives of the poor. He wasn't getting around like Obama
You never asked for that.


Wiebo Ludwig. Says it all.
 

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You never asked for that.



Wiebo Ludwig. Says it all.
He was one man among thousands of protesters in this country. I was investigated as a terrorist by the RCMP for writing a letter to the ministry of deforestation against forestry practices in this province.
 
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darkbeaver

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This from the bozo who stated the political and environmental dissidents in his own country were terrorists.

There is political leadership for Canada it just dosn't originate here. As near as I can tell our political capital is on any day one of the following 1/ New York
2/ Jewruselim
3/ Washington
4/ London
5/ Owetawagh
And that is the correct order as demonstrated by CBC radio, who manages never to interview any one from Canada about anything more important than the groundhogs determination of season.
 

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Never claimed to be an ace typist, at least my condition has a cure.
The meds you stopped taking?

A dried up drunk like yourself will find no cure for all your current defects.
Ahhh, I'm hurt, you called me a dried up drunk and said I have incurable defects...

Is that why I poke such huge holes in your nuttery?

Not bad for a dried up drunk with incurable defects.

I think I'll stay defected, lol.
 

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Ahhh, I'm hurt, you called me a dried up drunk and said I have incurable defects...

Is that why I poke such huge holes in your nuttery?

Not bad for a dried up drunk with incurable defects.

I think I'll stay defected
, lol.
Like you would have any choice.

It's the fact that you use the same worn out jabs that shows you lack any kind of imagination and you have compulsive behaviors that are beyond your control.
So really go **** yourself tard.

(also shown by not posting about the thread title, it's all about getting an insult in)