Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.

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Chavez's legacy, from The Guardian
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• Unemployment has dropped from 14.5% of the total labour force in 1999 to 7.6% in 2009
• Population has increased from 23,867,000 in 1999 to 29,278,000 in 2011. The annual population growth was 1.5% in 2011 compared with 1.9% in 1999
• GDP per capita has risen from $4,105 to $10,801 in 2011
• As you can see in the graphic chart, Venezuela's inflation has fluctuated since 1999. Inflation now stands at 31.6% compared with 23.6% in 1999
• Venezuela has a complicated history concerning currency exchange rates. Compared with 1999 when the exchange rate was under one bolivar to the US dollar, the latest figures from Reuters place it at 4.3 Bolivars to one dollar
• Poverty has decreased - in 1999, 23.4% of the population were recorded as being in extreme poverty, this fell to 8.5% in 2011 according to official government figures
• Infant mortality is now lower than in 1999 - from a rate of 20 per 1,000 live births then to a rate of 13 per 1,000 live births in 2011
• Violence has been a key concern in Venezuela for some time - figures from the UNODC state that the murder rate has risen since 1999. In 2011 the intentional homicide rate per 100,000 population was 45.1 compared with 25.0 just twelve years earlier
• Oil exports have boomed - Venezuela has one of the top proven oil reserves in the world and in 2011 Opec put the country's net oil export revenues at $60bn. In 1999 it stood at $14.4bn
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Oil prices for 2012- Their oil production had dropped by 1 million bbd. Why.
No one is arguing he helped the poor. It is all the other crap he did.
Oil prices in 99 were under 20 per barrel. Today over 500 to 700 % increase in selling price and I do not include the points where it was over 130 a barrel.
 
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MHz said:
1, Who cares, it is a public forum, you want privacy do it in a PM.
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LMAO!!! You are dumb.
2. You described them perfectly, who would think it was anything but the US?
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I specifically said "Canadian", lol, proving my first observation.
3. His post has accurate figures that can be backed us, such as the vid posted.
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And yet they've been refuted, lol.

Nothing I could possibly say could come close to matching, or surpassing, your dribble.
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That goes without saying, you don't post anything but idiocy.

Goober said:
No one is arguing he helped the poor.
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I am, in many cases where he did wonderful things for the poor... Like nationalize resorts, turfing the staff and owners, and filling resorts with bus loads of poor. He did them no favours.

Sure, they have a luxury room in a luxury resort, with no utilities, no local economy, and no food, while the resort without any form of maintenance, is slowly rotting around them, lol.

Oh thank you der leader!
 
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CDNBear said:
LMAO!!! You are dumb.
I specifically said "Canadian", lol, proving my first observation.
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You didn't mean Canada by the words below, that actually fits us pretty good since we became the Israeli bitch we are today.

"But the figures put out by a government known for corruption, abuse of power, suppression of the press, suppression of the opposition, through outright violence, is to be believed."
 
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MHz said:
You didn't mean Canada by the words below, that actually fits us pretty good since we became the Israeli bitch we are today.

"But the figures put out by a government known for corruption, abuse of power, suppression of the press, suppression of the opposition, through outright violence, is to be believed."
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LMAO!!! You mean you're so stupid you couldn't grasp that that was in reference to the Chavez government?



Seriously! Please stop, I'm actually starting to feel bad for you.
 
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MHz said:
That you had to ask shows there is to limit to the dept of how stupid you really are. lol
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You're right, it was stupid of me to ask just how stupid you are.

It's already painfully obvious just how stupid you are, lol.

Goober said:
Can we agree to have a civil discussion please. Just asking is all.
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You already know I can.

Mhz on the other hand, is incapable.

He's also incapable of intelligent conversation.
Critical thinking.
Deductive reasoning.
And so on, lol.
 
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Cliffy said:
He was one man among thousands of protesters in this country. I was investigated as a terrorist by the RCMP for writing a letter to the ministry of deforestation against forestry practices in this province.
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No you were investigated. We have no idea of what was written.
 
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Walter said:
You need to read this about your perceived paradise.

Venezuela
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How did Venezuela change under Hugo Chávez? | News | guardian.co.uk


Notice the increase in currency value, the drop in poverty level, etc.

Venezuela has had problems but much of tha is the spill over from Columbia and problems associated with the USA.



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Ban hails Chavez's work for poor

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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez dies

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez lost his battle with cancer, leaving the divided oil-rich nation with an uncertain future. See the country's reaction in pictures.











New York - UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon paid tribute to the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez on Tuesday, hailing his work on behalf of his country's poor and his support of Colombia's peace process.

"The secretary general was saddened by the death of His Excellency Mr Hugo Rafael Chavez Frias, President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela," Ban's office said in a statement after Venezuela announced Chavez's death.

"President Chavez spoke to the challenges and aspirations of the most vulnerable Venezuelans," he continued.





The new president is only 50 years of age and he will continue Chavez's policies --- therefore, much congrats to Venezuela for its enlightened leadership.


As for those right wing delusionals who hate them - tough sh1t.
 
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Will this end the sanctions so the people can utilize their new found educations and better health care?

The Chavez govt that he stacked with Native Venezulans is still alive and healthy.

The changes he put forward for Natives will never go away, in that regard he will go down as another Bolivar.

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With an average of 53 murders per day in 2011, according to the Venezuelan Observatory on Violence, a watch-dog group, the country has a murder rate of about 67 per 100,000 inhabitants. Neighbouring Colombia, in contrast, has a murder rate of 38 per 100,000 while Mexico - where some regions are gripped by deadly drug violence - has a rate of about 15 per 100,000.
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Whitie still shoots the pain in the *** Indians in Mexico/Central/South Americas.

In Canada we call them Native Gangs. Yesterday funding was cut to Canadian Police Agencies that had Native Gang Task Forces. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...nd-aboriginal-police-as-federal-fund-expires/

Soon we'll have our Cartels like the Natives that were punted from the US and are now in Northern Mexico. They want Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Nevada back. It's not a drug war. It's a drug funded war on the US.

Cool huh?
 
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Goober said:
No you were investigated. We have no idea of what was written.
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The investigation was bogus, just an over reaction from ministry of deforestation employees. There was nothing in the letter that was threatening although the employees took it as such. It ended when I went to the RCMP office in Nelson and asked to speak to the officers in charge of harassing my friends.
 
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The crime problem in Venezuela is related to drugs and gang violence and unrelated to Chavez's reforms. Mexico has the same problems only worse and they don't have Chavez. Funny how no one blames the Mexican government for these problems, yet some here believe Chavez is somehow responsible for problems caused by what is really an American drug problem. Legalize and regulate drugs and the crime goes away.

I disagree with the way how Chavez nationalized some corporations. IMO, what he did was theft. As a result corporations pulled out of Venezuela and took their money with them, leading to devaluation of the Venezuelan currency. Also inflation is a predictable result of raising the standard of living of the poor. More wealth in the hands of the poor increases demand, reducing supply leading to inflation. But inflation resulting from these causes are short term. Eventually inflation should settle down as the Venezuelan economy stabilizes at a new normal.

If Venezuela increased monetary supply (quantitative easing) to pay their bills that would also cause inflation. Our governments here in Canada and the US have been doing this since 2008 and eventually all that extra money has to come back and bite us big time. We will eventually experience the same inflationary pressures when our economies recover and people start buying and borrowing.
 
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