Hugo Chavez Dead at 58.

[MHz]

Damn, you went and nailed him with it before I got home, lol.

He was most likely referencing this part below.
(in part)

Mission Zamora is an integrated land reform and land redistribution program in Venezuela, created in law by the Ley de Tierras ("Law of Land"), part of a package of 49 decrees made by Hugo Chávez in November 2001. The plan is named in honor of Ezequiel Zamora, a 19th century Venezuelan peasant leader.

Background

Missions of the Bolivarian Revolution [SIZE=-4]— food — housing — medicine —[/SIZE] Barrio Adentro · Plan Bolivar 2000
Hábitat · Mercal [SIZE=-4]— education —[/SIZE] Ribas · Sucre
Robinson I · Robinson II [SIZE=-4]— indigenous rights — land — environment —[/SIZE] Guaicaipuro · Identidad
Miranda · Piar
Vuelta al Campo · Vuelvan Caras
Zamora [SIZE=-4]— (Hugo Chávez) — (Venezuela) —[/SIZE] Venezuela's rural areas have seen substantial economic disinvestment, governmental neglect, depopulation, and abandonment ever since oil wealth was discovered in the early 20th century; as a consequence Venezuela now has an urbanization rate of more than 85% — among the highest in Latin America — and is, despite its vast tracts of highly fertile soil and arable land, a net food importer. The Ley de Tierras — "Law of the Lands" — was passed by presidential decree in November 2001; it included the creation of Plan Zamora to implement land reforms, including redistribution, in Venezuelan agriculture. The plan was created for several pressing reasons: to stimulate the agricultural sector in Venezuela in order to provide food security to the country (the only net food importer in Latin America) and more economic activity, to break up the concentrated economic power of the latifundios (75-80% of land owned by 5% of landowners, 2% owned 60% of farmland;[1] 60% of agricultors do not possess any land [2]) and redistribute wealth to the poor in Venezuela, and to discourage urbanization, which creates heavy burdens on city services in the slums of Caracas and other Venezuelan cities.
Underutilized or unused private corporate and agricultural estates would now be subject to expropriation after "fair-market" compensation was paid to the owners. Inheritable, inalienable, and at times communal land grants were also gifted to small farmers and farmer's collectives. The rationale given for this program was that it would provide incentives for the eventual and gradual repopulation of the countryside and provide "food security" for the country by lessening the present dependence on foreign imports. There are three types of land that may be distributed under the program:

1. government land,
2. land that is claimed by private owners, but whose claims the government disputes (including centennially inherited land)
3. and underutilized private land (including second homes, and investment property).

To date, the Chávez government has only distributed the first two types of land.
Mission Zamora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



From the little bit of background available it was high time for an overthrow if the Government doesn't listen to the people. Am unheard of concept inside the US.

(in part)
Operation Zamora: 1992

In 1989, Carlos Andrés Pérez (1922–2010), the candidate of the centrist Democratic Action Party, was elected President after promising to oppose the United States government's Washington Consensus and financial policies recommended by the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Nevertheless, he did neither once he got into office, following instead the neoliberal economic policies supported by the United States and the IMF. He dramatically cut spending, put prominent men in governmental posts. Pérez's policies angered some of the public.[67][68][69] In an attempt to stop the widespread protests and looting that followed his social spending cuts, Pérez ordered the violent repression and massacre of protesters known as El Caracazo, which "according to official figures ... left a balance of 276 dead, numerous injured, several disappeared and heavy material losses. However, this list was invalidated by the subsequent appearance of mass graves", indicating that the official death count was inadequate.[70][71][72] Pérez had used both the DISIP political police and the army to orchestrate El Caracazo. Chávez did not participate in the repression because he was then hospitalized with chicken pox, and later condemned the event as "genocide".[73][74]
Disturbed by the Caracazo, rampant government corruption, the domination of politics by the Venezuelan oligarchy through the Punto Fijo Pact, and what he called "the dictatorship of the IMF", Chávez began preparing for a military coup d'état,[72][75] known as Operation Zamora.[76] Initially planned for December, Chávez delayed the MBR-200 coup until the early twilight hours of 4 February 1992. On that date, five army units under Chávez's command moved into urban Caracas with the mission of overwhelming key military and communications installations, including the Miraflores presidential palace, the defense ministry, La Carlota military airport and the Military Museum. Chávez's immediate goal was to intercept and take custody of Pérez, who was returning to Miraflores from an overseas trip. Despite years of planning, the coup quickly encountered trouble. At the time of the coup, Chávez had the loyalty of less than 10% of Venezuela's military forces,[77] and, because of numerous betrayals, defections, errors, and other unforeseen circumstances, Chávez and a small group of rebels found themselves hiding in the Military Museum, without any means of conveying orders to their network of spies and collaborators spread throughout Venezuela.[78] Furthermore, Chávez's allies were unable to broadcast their prerecorded tapes on the national airwaves, during which Chávez planned to issue a general call for a mass civilian uprising against the Pérez government. Finally, Chávez's forces were unable to capture Pérez, who managed to escape from them. Fourteen soldiers were killed, and fifty soldiers and some eighty civilians injured during the ensuing violence.[79][80][81]
Realising that the coup had failed, Chávez gave himself up to the government. On the condition that he called upon the remaining active coup members to cease hostilities, he was allowed to appear on national television, something that he insisted on doing in his military uniform. During this address, he invoked the name of national hero Simón Bolívar and declared to the Venezuelan people that "Comrades: unfortunately, for now, the objectives we had set for ourselves were not achieved in the capital city. That is, those of us here in Caracas did not seize power. Where you are, you have performed very well, but now is the time for reflection. New opportunities will arise and the country has to head definitively toward a better future."[82] Many viewers noted that Chávez had remarked that he had failed only "por ahora" (for now),[22][83][84][85][86] and he was immediately catapulted into the national spotlight, with many Venezuelans, particularly those from the poorer sections of society, seeing him as a figure who had stood up against government corruption and kleptocracy.[87][88][89]
Chávez was arrested and imprisoned at the San Carlos military stockade, where he remained wracked with guilt, feeling responsible for the coup's failure.[90][91] Indeed, pro-Chávez demonstrations that took place outside of San Carlos led to his being transferred to Yare prison soon after.[92] The government meanwhile began a temporary crackdown on media supportive of Chávez and the coup.[93] A further attempted coup against the government occurred in November, which was once more defeated,[75][94] led to Pérez himself being impeached a year later for malfeasance and misappropriation of funds for illegal activities.[95][96]
Hugo Chávez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chávez#cite_note-Cannon_2009._p._37-96

 

[CDNBear]

He was most likely referencing this part below.
(in part)

Mission Zamora is an integrated land reform and land redistribution program in Venezuela, created in law by the Ley de Tierras ("Law of Land"), part of a package of 49 decrees made by Hugo Chávez in November 2001. The plan is named in honor of Ezequiel Zamora, a 19th century Venezuelan peasant leader.

Background

Missions of the Bolivarian Revolution [SIZE=-4]— food — housing — medicine —[/SIZE] Barrio Adentro · Plan Bolivar 2000
Hábitat · Mercal [SIZE=-4]— education —[/SIZE] Ribas · Sucre
Robinson I · Robinson II [SIZE=-4]— indigenous rights — land — environment —[/SIZE] Guaicaipuro · Identidad
Miranda · Piar
Vuelta al Campo · Vuelvan Caras
Zamora [SIZE=-4]— (Hugo Chávez) — (Venezuela) —[/SIZE] Venezuela's rural areas have seen substantial economic disinvestment, governmental neglect, depopulation, and abandonment ever since oil wealth was discovered in the early 20th century; as a consequence Venezuela now has an urbanization rate of more than 85% — among the highest in Latin America — and is, despite its vast tracts of highly fertile soil and arable land, a net food importer. The Ley de Tierras — "Law of the Lands" — was passed by presidential decree in November 2001; it included the creation of Plan Zamora to implement land reforms, including redistribution, in Venezuelan agriculture. The plan was created for several pressing reasons: to stimulate the agricultural sector in Venezuela in order to provide food security to the country (the only net food importer in Latin America) and more economic activity, to break up the concentrated economic power of the latifundios (75-80% of land owned by 5% of landowners, 2% owned 60% of farmland;[1] 60% of agricultors do not possess any land [2]) and redistribute wealth to the poor in Venezuela, and to discourage urbanization, which creates heavy burdens on city services in the slums of Caracas and other Venezuelan cities.
Underutilized or unused private corporate and agricultural estates would now be subject to expropriation after "fair-market" compensation was paid to the owners. Inheritable, inalienable, and at times communal land grants were also gifted to small farmers and farmer's collectives. The rationale given for this program was that it would provide incentives for the eventual and gradual repopulation of the countryside and provide "food security" for the country by lessening the present dependence on foreign imports. There are three types of land that may be distributed under the program:

1. government land,
2. land that is claimed by private owners, but whose claims the government disputes (including centennially inherited land)
3. and underutilized private land (including second homes, and investment property).

To date, the Chávez government has only distributed the first two types of land.
Mission Zamora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



From the little bit of background available it was high time for an overthrow if the Government doesn't listen to the people. Am unheard of concept inside the US.

(in part)
Operation Zamora: 1992

In 1989, Carlos Andrés Pérez (1922–2010), the candidate of the centrist Democratic Action Party, was elected President after promising to oppose the United States government's Washington Consensus and financial policies recommended by the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Nevertheless, he did neither once he got into office, following instead the neoliberal economic policies supported by the United States and the IMF. He dramatically cut spending, put prominent men in governmental posts. Pérez's policies angered some of the public.[67][68][69] In an attempt to stop the widespread protests and looting that followed his social spending cuts, Pérez ordered the violent repression and massacre of protesters known as El Caracazo, which "according to official figures ... left a balance of 276 dead, numerous injured, several disappeared and heavy material losses. However, this list was invalidated by the subsequent appearance of mass graves", indicating that the official death count was inadequate.[70][71][72] Pérez had used both the DISIP political police and the army to orchestrate El Caracazo. Chávez did not participate in the repression because he was then hospitalized with chicken pox, and later condemned the event as "genocide".[73][74]
Disturbed by the Caracazo, rampant government corruption, the domination of politics by the Venezuelan oligarchy through the Punto Fijo Pact, and what he called "the dictatorship of the IMF", Chávez began preparing for a military coup d'état,[72][75] known as Operation Zamora.[76] Initially planned for December, Chávez delayed the MBR-200 coup until the early twilight hours of 4 February 1992. On that date, five army units under Chávez's command moved into urban Caracas with the mission of overwhelming key military and communications installations, including the Miraflores presidential palace, the defense ministry, La Carlota military airport and the Military Museum. Chávez's immediate goal was to intercept and take custody of Pérez, who was returning to Miraflores from an overseas trip. Despite years of planning, the coup quickly encountered trouble. At the time of the coup, Chávez had the loyalty of less than 10% of Venezuela's military forces,[77] and, because of numerous betrayals, defections, errors, and other unforeseen circumstances, Chávez and a small group of rebels found themselves hiding in the Military Museum, without any means of conveying orders to their network of spies and collaborators spread throughout Venezuela.[78] Furthermore, Chávez's allies were unable to broadcast their prerecorded tapes on the national airwaves, during which Chávez planned to issue a general call for a mass civilian uprising against the Pérez government. Finally, Chávez's forces were unable to capture Pérez, who managed to escape from them. Fourteen soldiers were killed, and fifty soldiers and some eighty civilians injured during the ensuing violence.[79][80][81]
Realising that the coup had failed, Chávez gave himself up to the government. On the condition that he called upon the remaining active coup members to cease hostilities, he was allowed to appear on national television, something that he insisted on doing in his military uniform. During this address, he invoked the name of national hero Simón Bolívar and declared to the Venezuelan people that "Comrades: unfortunately, for now, the objectives we had set for ourselves were not achieved in the capital city. That is, those of us here in Caracas did not seize power. Where you are, you have performed very well, but now is the time for reflection. New opportunities will arise and the country has to head definitively toward a better future."[82] Many viewers noted that Chávez had remarked that he had failed only "por ahora" (for now),[22][83][84][85][86] and he was immediately catapulted into the national spotlight, with many Venezuelans, particularly those from the poorer sections of society, seeing him as a figure who had stood up against government corruption and kleptocracy.[87][88][89]
Chávez was arrested and imprisoned at the San Carlos military stockade, where he remained wracked with guilt, feeling responsible for the coup's failure.[90][91] Indeed, pro-Chávez demonstrations that took place outside of San Carlos led to his being transferred to Yare prison soon after.[92] The government meanwhile began a temporary crackdown on media supportive of Chávez and the coup.[93] A further attempted coup against the government occurred in November, which was once more defeated,[75][94] led to Pérez himself being impeached a year later for malfeasance and misappropriation of funds for illegal activities.[95][96]
Hugo Chávez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dumbest.

 

[MHz]

I didn't think you could be any dumber, but here we are, with you admitting it no less.

True to form you missed most of the post. Blinders that tight must be with you 24./7 rather than just a few threads. Your aquaintences would have my sympathies if they weren't just as ****ed up as you.

 

[CDNBear]

True to form you missed most of the post.

The irony is palpable.

Blinders that tight must be with you 24./7 rather than just a few threads.

Then take them off.

 

[gopher]

I really don't know much about Chavez, but it is my tendency to judge a man's character by the number of people who buy the media inspired hatred for the person. Judging by who hated him and who thought he did good for his people, I would have to conclude he was not worthy of hatred.

He got majority support in his country and the rest of the world while he was hated by right wingers who represent a minority viewpoint. That says it all.

 

[MHz]

More important was the fact their voice was the voice of the poor on a world run by the the that are the 'middlemen that get richer than anybody and do nothing at all' other than create supply and demand that (for some reason) only they are capable of moving the actual items and they set the buying and selling then their cut and that last part is always the biggest. When a thief runs away at night his pockets are never empty, or wars or other versions of that.

 

[petros]

Damn, you went and nailed him with it before I got home, lol.

A brad nail, the only one. Better luck next time.

Here is an article that gives the big picture on who liked and disliked Chavez and why there is internal problems caused by giving the Native people, guarnateed rights, education and soveriegn lands that are being bought from (not taken) from whitie who are refusing to sell out,

Conflicts and Conundrums: How the Venezuelan State Must Strike the Balance With its Indigenous People



By Stephanie Kennedy, December 6th 2011


To the west of the country, the Perijá region is a stretch of both mountains and plains that traces the conflictive border zone between Colombia and Venezuela. The region's inhabitants are a mixture of indigenous groups, cattle farmers, both rich and humble, and the inevitable generational pool of all three.

Although historical indigenous territory, colonisation saw the settlement and growth of private, large-scale agriculture and farming, hence reasserting occidental dictates in usages of land. This meant that production was channelled towards profit rather than sustainability, thus prioritising the values of cattle ranching over traditional indigenous practices.

In the year 1999, under Hugo Chavez' government, a new national constitution was approved, freshening up political and anthropological takes on minority and indigenous populations, and granting for the first time constitutional recognition and institutional backing in order to protect and defend ethnic and cultural diversity. The indigenous were promised autonomous indigenous territory, a necessary undertaking if cultural and social practices were to be maintained.

In effect, there is little point in defending culture if the land where this culture is traditionally practised has been usurped by alien understandings of land and society, as has been the case in Perijá. Thus, in line with the law, at the start of 2002 procedures began to demarcate indigenous Yukpa territory, identifying 25 large haciendas and other smaller-scale farms in the same area that were on indigenous land. The deal was to buy out the land owners and turn over the land to the indigenous community.

The new laws have caused both controversy and resistance, creating a conflict as uncomfortable as any thorn in the thigh of a government under questioning. Uprooting the economic elite meant toying with the premises of production and the historical political make up of the region that had always favoured the interests and ambitions of the cattle ranchers. Severing international business ties with important families such as the Rockefellers and the Brillenbourgs in support of a minority group that fishes and cultivates just enough produce to survive is never going to go down well in the country clubs, no matter how much of their freshly milked milk is poured into their coffee.

However, despite the wave of discontent expressed amongst the cattle ranchers, those who have created the greatest stir lately have been the indigenous. The tardiness of the law's implementation has frustrated the more militant branches of the Yukpa people, who feel that four hundred years of domination has been more than enough time to wait for their land to be returned and for their people to recover from years of enslavement.

Confident they now have a government that backs their needs, yet reluctant to remain subservient to cattle ranching until all lands have been paid for, groups have taken over farms and chased out numerous land owners who found themselves within the newly drawn out indigenous territory. The latter, when sufficiently wealthy, have reportedly hired paid assassins to attack back at the occupations, resulting in several instances of heavy crossfire, such as was the case in the Medellin farm roughly a month ago.

Although the indigenous affected have travelled to Caracas to denounce the shootings, the incidents have yet to be punished. To date, the majority of the land payments still need to be made, a situation that has done little to appease relations between the indigenous and the farmers. Both parties express that until all transactions are finalised, neither will let go of what each in turn believe to be rightfully theirs.

To further complicate the situation, rumours are running of potential plans to exploit reserves of carbon and uranium buried in the soil of the Sierra de Perijá. Local opinion is strongly against the mining, as is of course indigenous sentiment, which, considering the current struggle, would be further antagonised if the Yukpa were thereafter forced to leave their land to allow for its exploitation.

As to whether the government is in support of the mining is still up for debate. So far president Hugo Chavez has stressed that unless sufficient evidence is presented proving that there are indeed extensive reserves of carbon, the Sierra would be left alone. So far there exists no such survey. Nonetheless, the threat remains.

What Venezuela currently faces is a dilemma also known and lived by many other neighbouring Latin countries, wherein the need for progress and development essential to guarantee national sovereignty and economic might is challenged by the equally important endeavour to safeguard the environment, natural resources and the indigenous populations that inhabit the same regions.

Evo Morales of Bolivia knows this plight all too well. In order to access the country's reserves of natural gas so as to administer the supplies themselves instead of a foreign company doing so, the construction of an important highway was proposed, passing through Bolivia's forests whilst also displacing indigenous groups living in the area. Considering Morales stands as an indigenous president in defence of indigenous rights and interests, he soon was heavily criticised and lost considerable support. Road work has since begun whilst Morales' supporters now fear the outcome of the following elections.

In Venezuela, Yukpa leader Sabino Romero, a determined figure leading the fight for demarcation who has been unjustly imprisoned once and demonised as a murderer, rapist and guerrilla by certain private media groups, believes that the government, having pronounced its stand on indigenous rights and having designed the appropriate legislative support for the struggle through its constitution, cannot and may not turn back on itself.

Defending what rightfully belongs to the indigenous from the standpoint of a socialist government that favours human growth over capital growth is what many continue to expect of the Venezuelan state. Still, considering the current international arena, ensuring Venezuela's economic growth and sustainability is also important if the very same socialist values wish to be maintained.

A productive national economy means that there is less reliance on external management, a dynamic that is forever embedded with innumerable political conditions. The question for the state today is; what is easier to sacrifice, people or production?

Source: The Huffington Post

Ralenti no mas S American style.

More interesting reading.


The Racism behind the Discourse of the Oligarchy against Chavez

By Mercedes Chacin – Aporrea, January 18th 2012


Fourth generation warfare has been brewing for a long time on this planet and it has already won a number of battles. It comes from when it was said in the sixties that Fidel Castro ate children. They had to invade Cuba because of that. They had to invade Iraq to look for weapons that they already knew didn’t exist. They had to invade Afghanistan to save Afghani women from the Taliban who made them use unusual burkas. They had to invade Libya to save Libyans from a monster with forty years in power. They have to invade Syria for the same reason. They had to sacrifice Mubarak [ex president of Egypt] so that everyone would believe the story about the struggle for freedom and justice. Prefabricated invasions, made in the USA.

Now Maria Machado [translator: a candidate in the opposition’s primaries for the presidential elections this year] says: against communism, grassroots capitalism. Her three minutes of “fame” in the National Assembly [on Saturday during the president’s annual report] were full of anti-communism. Communists steal, kill people, eat kids...fried and marinated kids or cooked in their own sauce? Did anyone ever believe this? Yes, millions believed it, our grandparents believed it.

Maybe at the moment they aren’t saying that Chavez eats children. There are a lot of photos of him with them. But he steals hotels. He doesn’t expropriate them, he steals them. It’s the same lie, but less bloody. But be careful; don’t forget that the communists are coming for you. The coconut [bald man, or Chavez during his chemotherapy] is coming to take everything from you, to steal your soul.

Maria Machado (a friend says the “Corina” [her first surname, the one inherited from the father] should be expropriated leaving her without the little strength she has) is the Violeta Chamorro [ex Nicaraguan president who won the 1990 elections with the support of the US, from the Sandinistas] of the “gringos” [a derogatory term referring to U.S soldiers or to people from the U.S] in Venezuela. Her discourse makes an impression on a certain sector of Venezuelan society that lives “defending” the cars they don’t have, the property they don’t have. And for another sector of society who has all that and no one has taken it from them, the real problem is that a “zambo” [a person of mixed African and native American origin] governs them. “Damn monkey, damn “niche” [Venezuelan derogatory term for a darker skinned person or a person with bad habits, or poor people who try to imitate the rich], damn president of the poor”.

And it doesn’t matter that Chavez hands out apartments and that he “gives away” properties and he doesn’t steal them. And it doesn’t matter because the truth is it’s the same lie used against Afghans, Libyans, and Iraqis. They are coming for our petroleum, they - yes them, - are coming for our soul.

So in the National Assembly, in the delivering of the Annual Report of President Chavez, there was the arrogance, fascism, racism, and the haughtiness of the oligarchy. And long live the Zambo. There was the conceit of a certain middle class. And long live the Zambo. There was all the Gringo propaganda up and running. Be careful of the reds. And long live the Zambo.

There were the centuries of oppression trying to take the stand. And long live the Zambo. There was concentrated distain in upheld chin. And long live the Zambo. That’s what they can’t stand. That the Zambo is on top and the poor and the humble are on top. There were almost 70,000 words of dignity and independence [in Chavez’s annual address], celebrating a Venezuela of just people.

Mercedes Chacin is the chief editor of newspaper ‘Ciudad Caracas’.
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ranslation by Tamara Pearson for Venezuelanalysis.com

 

[CDNBear]

A brad nail, the only one. Better luck next time.

Ya, OK Pete...

 

[EagleSmack]

That bolded statement would break any bull**** meter, lol. It does show one thing though, you don't have a ****ing clue as to how your own country works, let alone the rest of the world.

Looks like you need to keep up with the flow of the thread as well.

Cliffy said...

Now that is beyond hysterical. Interfering in the affairs of other nations is what they do.

I responded...

The comment itself is hysterical I agree.

However the post was in response to another post so you need to keep up with the thread in order to get it...got it?

You can now take your foot out of your mouth MHz you dumb azz.

True to form you missed most of the post. Blinders that tight must be with you 24./7 rather than just a few threads. Your aquaintences would have my sympathies if they weren't just as ****ed up as you.

No you missed it. If you follwed the thread you would see why I posted the CIA spokesperson's comment to begin with.

Ya, OK Pete...

He went all EAO on us!

He was most likely referencing this part below.
(in part)







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chávez#cite_note-Cannon_2009._p._37-96

Nah... I don't think so.

Here is a hint... start at Post #146 and go from there. They you will understand that indeed you are an idiot troll.

 

[MHz]

Here is a hint... start at Post #146 and go from there. They you will understand that indeed you are an idiot troll.

It doesn't matter why you posted it the link is funny as ****. It doesn't even matter if some orders were being passed along in this comment.

"One of the CIA documents filed five days before the coup would appear to support that statement. It notes that "repeated warnings that the U.S. will not support any extraconstitutional moves to oust Chavez probably have given pause to the plotters." "

"The censored document adds: "The level of detail in the reported plans ... lends credence to the information, but military and civilian contacts note that neither group appears ready to lead a successful coup and may bungle the attempt by moving too quickly." "

 

[EagleSmack]

Sure it does...

...and thanks for supporting what I've been saying all along.