Harper predicts pain at gas pumps if Layton is in power

cranky

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link please.

It doesn't take an economics major to know that spending $60B + (minimum, because we still don't know the final true cost) on planes that won't protect out soldiers from IEDs, without going through any competitive process or allowing any oversight is a bad idea. Imagine buying a car like that.

Honey, I'm home. I just bought a brand new car.

How much did it cost?

I don't know i never asked.

Was it a good deal?

I don't know, I never looked at any other cars, I just bought this one, because my friends bought one.

How much did they pay?

They don't know either.

How did you buy it?

I went into your bank account and took out some money without asking you.

How much did you take out?

Sorry, I'm not telling.

Dear husband you are so wise and fiscally responsible looking in that sweater... I hope we stay together forever...

that is such a great analogy for the long gun registry. Thanks!
 

cranky

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Pssst.....JLM, get the impression that you are on the hotseat for something I wroteÉ
:)

what with the É instead of a question mark, what causes this and how to I stop my keyboard from thinking its in Q f*cking Beck!

UPDATE:

warning: pressing contrl and shift at the same time turns your computer into an ignorant frenchman that won't let you type a "?" anymore.

If this happens, press and hold the control and shift for several seconds, and just like an ignorant frenchman, they switch to french alot easier than they switch to english, so hold it down longer if this doesn't work for you.
 

damngrumpy

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First of all we have to determine how much money is available and then set the
priorities of the government. I think it would be better for government to ensure
laws are there to make sure that people that are too high a credit risk do not get
easy access to credit cards. I am the first to agree you can't totally protect those
who are stupid but there are people who should not be given access to credit cards.
Some limit of interest must be established as it is so the law must change.
I think corporate Canada should be paying more, and the ratio between individual
tax payers and companies should be closer than it is. The wealthiest should pay
their fair share and that would be determined by those more qualified than me.
More importantly we must decide the future of our programs and determine what we
are going to fund and what is to fall by the wayside. Things cannot go on the way
they are regardless who ends up in power.
 

lone wolf

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Pssst.....JLM, get the impression that you are on the hotseat for something I wroteÉ
:)

what with the É instead of a question mark, what causes this and how to I stop my keyboard from thinking its in Q f*cking Beck!

UPDATE:

warning: pressing contrl and shift at the same time turns your computer into an ignorant frenchman that won't let you type a "?" anymore.

If this happens, press and hold the control and shift for several seconds, and just like an ignorant frenchman, they switch to french alot easier than they switch to english, so hold it down longer if this doesn't work for you.

...and they wonder why they're losing the vote in Quebec....
 

Omicron

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Harper has no more control over gas prices than Layton does. Oil companies are making the record profits and the last time I looked, the flag wasn't Imperial Oil....

By this do you mean that because Harper was PM he had more control, but that Layton won't until he's PM?
 

lone wolf

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Na, Harper is just a paid figure head. Jack might be a thorn. That is why they are paying so much money to crucify him.

;-) ...actually, the Imperial Oil thing was a jab. Harper was a mail clerk/computer geek there. I wonder if he had friends there.... A threat of price increases at the pump. then carried out after the election might be a conspiracy....


Hmmm.... Ve must schroootizh dish closher.....
 

petros

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WTF has Harper done about price gouging at the pumps? The higher fuels costs rise, the more Gouge & Screw Tax (GST) revenue is generated. When your are running deficits any revenue is good revenue.
 

Omicron

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Rich people hire people, rich people buy big ticket items hence indirectly creating employment, rich people donate to charities.

In a closed system with no automation, yes.

A closed system is a situation where nothing enters or leaves. Mathematicians and scientists, in particular chemists, work with "closed systems" all the time.

In a closed system with no automation, it really doesn't make one whit of difference whether or not anyone gets super rich in terms of the welfare of the economy.

In fact, it can improve the culture, because a non-psychotic person with more money than they need will start spending it on non-essentials, like cathedrals and fine works of art.

All the great stuff you see from old Europe was from rich "nobility" having more money than they could use, so they'd spend it building cathedrals and purchasing fine art, and because it took human labor to build the cathedrals and make the fine art, people got jobs from those with more money than they needed.

Now, picture the welfare of a medieval kingdom where the king would collect his taxes locally, but would only spend his money on cathedrals built in other lands by foreign workers, and would only buy art created by foreign artisans.

How well off would his people be? How long before he wouldn't be able to tax them anymore because they didn't have any money, because he spent it all away?

In a case like that, did the king being super-rich do anything good for the economy of the people from whom he made his money?

Today we have a financial equivalent in the form of big business. It draws profits from a population, and as long as it invests those profits back into the population from which it drew the money, then it will create jobs, insolong as it is humans and not robots doing the work.

If big business chooses instead to invest in a place far away, or if it chooses to invest locally but have the work done by robots, then the effect on the population from which the profits were drawn is for them to become poorer and unemployed.

So, today we have a situation where big business - aka the multi-nationals - are not spending the money back where they got it from...

Plus even if they do, they pay a few people a one-time fee to install some robots (aka automation).

They get away with it everywhere except for the part where China does what Marx recommended, which was use the Capitalistic system against Itself. Now American owes a Communist state hundreds of billions.

Seriously... ever notice how the only difference between an MBA and a sports hero is the design of their suit... yet they will not go to war like a soldier wearing a real suit does.

Now, let's suppose there is a one-world government such that the whole planet is a single closed system... where no matter where the money is spent back it's still part of the same system.

We have a planet overpopulated such that it takes 4.5 earths to make everyone alive today middle class.

Spread it around, and everyone is in famine.

Fear would cause mothers and fathers to pull back, and only two countries have the self sufficiency to do that: Russia and Canada.
 

CDNBear

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and yet, Harper is "predicting" a 10 cent/litre increase if Layton is "in power".


Hey Bear, I see you quite adeptly ignored my query.
Oh, that out of left field, had nothing to with the question I posed to Omicron, question was serious?

My bad.

Gas prices are high because of speculative trading. When Jackie installs his cap & trade scheme. Gas prices will be much higher because of speculative trading and cap and trade costs. Corporations don't eat over head. When gov'ts try and regulate that, corporations move.

Jack has a provable legacy of poor decision making in regards to green ideologies. That cost the City of Toronto, dearly.

You remember, we were all standing round in your back yard by the shed drinking beer and your wife came out, and you shouted at us, married life sure was great and popping the collar on that yellow wind breaker ensemble was going to be your signature that year. lol


Yeah, I remember that. But I don't remember posting about it. Hell, I was so wasted I couldn't see the key to post.
Do either of you lily's have my Bat mask? I haven't seen it since that night. And why am I getting strange calls from some guy with a lisp, named Miguel?
 

JLM

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WTF has Harper done about price gouging at the pumps? The higher fuels costs rise, the more Gouge & Screw Tax (GST) revenue is generated. When your are running deficits any revenue is good revenue.

Don't think Harper has anything to do with gasoline prices outside of the tax component. :smile:
 

Unforgiven

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Do either of you lily's have my Bat mask? I haven't seen it since that night. And why am I getting strange calls from some guy with a lisp, named Miguel?

Oh yeah I meant to say something about that. My bad. Oh you want to stay out of Oshawa too for a while. Again totally my fault I should have read the directions. " No amount of soap..." heh heh
 

Tonington

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Gas prices are high because of speculative trading. When Jackie installs his cap & trade scheme. Gas prices will be much higher because of speculative trading and cap and trade costs. Corporations don't eat over head. When gov'ts try and regulate that, corporations move.

The only jurisdictions that have cap and trade right now are in Europe, and with their emissions trading scheme, the volatility in energy price is far more than it is for the actual emissions credits. Check out the chart on this web page, coal, oil, and gas, all have larger variance in the price of said commodities.
 

taxslave

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The only jurisdictions that have cap and trade right now are in Europe, and with their emissions trading scheme, the volatility in energy price is far more than it is for the actual emissions credits. Check out the first chart on this web page, coal, oil, and gas, all have larger variance in the price of said commodities.

But they also pay way more than we do for a liter of gas. Which mens they get ripped off all the time instead of most of the time.