Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Niflmir

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That depends on where you stand at the beginning.

The history of Canadian gun control, proves the slippery slope exists.

Well, in Canada what has been shown is that registers are used to confiscate guns which they ban. What has not been seen is that this leads to banning all weapons, or that it necessarily leads to confiscation. After all, the long gun registry was scrapped, so doesn't that teach us that registration leads to de-registration?

Let us not make the post hoc fallacy relating registration with confiscation. That is what Colpy was doing, and I am willing to drop it to discuss that confiscating guns is sometimes a necessary evil.

Consider that anything that we eventually decide must be illegal to possess will go through a phase where possession is legal. If someone happened to possess the thing before the decision to make it illegal, then it needs to be confiscated somehow or grandfathered.

Drugs, bombs, cannons, guns, knives, crossbows, vehicles, art. There are examples of all of these things that were once legal but subsequently made illegal--in all the countries I know even the littlest bit about.

Of course, I am against total prohibition of anything. Specifically on topic, I am for gun control, not gun prohibition.
 

bluebyrd35

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I am always astounded how easy it is for lobbiests to sway the weak minded into supporting their product. ie.....the gun manufacturers and the oil men as just two examples. They have the.ability to control the laws of the countries they inhabit, to the detriment of the citizens. It has nothing whatever to do with human rights. It is all about the almighty buck and how to get more than their fair share.

Better hope they never get control over production of nuclear materials for producing bombs. I can just see numbskulls of every ilk insisting that they have the right to their own personal nucluear weapon!!
 

Cliffy

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I would draw the line at shoulder mounted heat seeking missile launchers. I think we should all have the right to own at least one with a minimum of 12 missiles. Beyond that, weapons should be under strict control.
 

Colpy

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Check out THIS guy!!!

Obviously, a COMPLETE moron!

Wow, and the rank....lol

CA Police Chief: Guns Are Not a Defensive Weapon - YouTube

Oh, I just got curiouser and curiouser about this guy....the insignia!!! The hair!!! The IQ lower than room temperature!!!

This icon of California policing is chief in Emeryville, a city of less than 11,000.

I think he wears a star for each one of his officers.... lol
 

DaSleeper

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Oh, I just got curiouser and curiouser about this guy....the insignia!!! The hair!!! The IQ lower than room temperature!!!

This icon of California policing is chief in Emeryville, a city of less than 11,000.

I think he wears a star for each one of his officers.... lol
I'm sure you meant room temperature in Celcius....not Farenheit.....
You don't want to give him too much credibility....;-)
 

#juan

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Oh, I just got curiouser and curiouser about this guy....the insignia!!! The hair!!! The IQ lower than room temperature!!!

This icon of California policing is chief in Emeryville, a city of less than 11,000.

I think he wears a star for each one of his officers.... lol

For a moment just think of being a policeman in California without a gun. Intimidation is the only thing that works in
many situations. How does an officer get the cuffs on a bad guy without his police partner standing by with his gun
out and ready? There are places in California I wouldn't go into without a Sherman tank. The policeman's gun is
for defense but showing a gun also gives that policeman needed authority to do his job.
 

Nuggler

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Americans, never give a inch....or this is where you wind up.....

WA Dems Sponsor Bill Allowing Police to Search Gunowners' Homes

Of course, in Canada, the police can already do this.

Oh, and while we're talking Obama and US gun control efforts......

Ask Obama's Experts - YouTube!

Justice Dept. Internal Memo Admits Gun Buybacks, ‘Assault Weapons’ Bans, and Large Capacity Magazine Restrictions Don’t Work | Video | TheBlaze.com



"Of course, in Canada, the police can already do this."

Are you sure of that, Colpy? I know they can request entrance to your house, and if you allow them entrance, they can search it. If you refuse they have to get a warrent.................Then they can and will demolish your abode while you watch.

If in hot pursuit they can just go on in.

I'd say they have the sheeple by the cojones regardless.
 

Colpy

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"Of course, in Canada, the police can already do this."

Are you sure of that, Colpy? I know they can request entrance to your house, and if you allow them entrance, they can search it. If you refuse they have to get a warrent.................Then they can and will demolish your abode while you watch.

If in hot pursuit they can just go on in.

I'd say they have the sheeple by the cojones regardless.

Yes.

Actually, it is worse.

The police can arrange a time with you to "inspect" your storage facilities. During that "inspection" they can open any container, demand any information.....and you have to aid them.

If you refuse to have them come over for an "inspection", they may apply for a warrant, which the judge is instructed by the Firearms Act to grant.....without any evidence that a crime has been committed.

That is the very definition of "unreasonable search".

As well, you are forced to aid them, on pain of a possible two years in jail.

Not only does the Firearms Act over rule your right to be free from unreasonable search, it also negates your right to remain silent.
 

Nuggler

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Yes.

Actually, it is worse.

The police can arrange a time with you to "inspect" your storage facilities. During that "inspection" they can open any container, demand any information.....and you have to aid them.

If you refuse to have them come over for an "inspection", they may apply for a warrant, which the judge is instructed by the Firearms Act to grant.....without any evidence that a crime has been committed.

That is the very definition of "unreasonable search".

As well, you are forced to aid them, on pain of a possible two years in jail.

Not only does the Firearms Act over rule your right to be free from unreasonable search, it also negates your right to remain silent.



I suppose one could pull the bolts or otherwise disable ones guns, leavem in the driveway, (surrender them I guess) and really make sure no ammo is in the house, but rather sunk in the nearest body of water. Then co-operate like a fiend. Welcome them into your home and offer them tea and cookies.

Still, I guess we're better off than countries in which you may not own firearms at all. That would truly suck.

In order for them to want to "inspect" my storage facilities they would probably have a reason to believe I was of poor character. That being the case, I'd surrender the guns and tell them to **** off.............get a lawyer and take my chances in court. Comes a time you have to tell Orwell to go jerk himself a soda............... still, two years is a long time at my age..........:-(


The only reason I would act like this is because if they find just one say, .22 shell in a drawer, one is screwed.................sheep as a lamb.
 

Niflmir

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Yes.

Actually, it is worse.

The police can arrange a time with you to "inspect" your storage facilities. During that "inspection" they can open any container, demand any information.....and you have to aid them.

If you refuse to have them come over for an "inspection", they may apply for a warrant, which the judge is instructed by the Firearms Act to grant.....without any evidence that a crime has been committed.

That is the very definition of "unreasonable search".

As well, you are forced to aid them, on pain of a possible two years in jail.

Not only does the Firearms Act over rule your right to be free from unreasonable search, it also negates your right to remain silent.

You do like to spread FUD, don't you?

They can only arrange an inspection if you sell guns or own more than 10 guns. They expressly cannot open any container or demand any information. What they can demand you do is to "Unlock that cabinet for me," while information they can demand is of the sort "Where is your registered handgun?" They cannot open your fridge, for instance.

Which is actually quite reasonable.

But hey, don't let you misunderstandings stop you from feeling persecuted. At least you aren't claiming that they can enter your house without a warrant anymore.