Gun Control is Completely Useless.

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We, the operators in the mill, used to have a saying That the first lesson when becoming an engineer was learning to loose all common sense.;-)

That is why engineering school takes 4 years. The first two are to do mind wipes and remove any common sense the students were born with. The next two are to fill their heads with silly formulas and geekspeak. Then convince them that they are the center of the universe. (note those born in Toronto can skip this course because they are born knowing this)
To err is human.
To really F U C K U P requires an engineer
with a computer.
 

gopher

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He's following and enforcing what they call THE LAW.



I probably should have strictly stuck with libtard. You're the biggest Obama disciple in this forum I am sure you could see why I called you a Democrat.

On the other forum... I am sure if you told them you want the Latinos to start whacking cops they'd be all up in your corner.


"libtard" ????

Childish name calling. A sign of desperation. Now you know I am not one to turn the other cheek but can just as easily reverse the tables and employ a few epithets on you. So let's drop it and grow up. Ok?

As for the notion that he is enforcing the law, Arizona has been forced to pay $50 million dollars for his crimes which include the deaths of at least two people in his prisons. Anyone else would have been charged with manslaughter and put in prison. Not half of the cases have been settled and the state stands to pay many millions more.

Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the Constitution knows that the 2d Amendment was created to prevent such political crimes. It's time now to enforce the law and to put that murderer in jail where he belongs.

We have Canadians that get a thrill up their legs here, at the mere mention of the name "Obama" and never miss a chance to defend him:lol:



The forum also has a few Canadians who never miss a chance to criticize Obama and they don't exactly like to be called Republicans. Can't say I blame them.
 

DaSleeper

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"libtard" ????

Childish name calling. A sign of desperation. Now you know I am not one to turn the other cheek but can just as easily reverse the tables and employ a few epithets on you. So let's drop it and grow up. Ok?

As for the notion that he is enforcing the law, Arizona has been forced to pay $50 million dollars for his crimes which include the deaths of at least two people in his prisons. Anyone else would have been charged with manslaughter and put in prison. Not half of the cases have been settled and the state stands to pay many millions more.

Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the Constitution knows that the 2d Amendment was created to prevent such political crimes. It's time now to enforce the law and to put that murderer in jail where he belongs.




The forum also has a few Canadians who never miss a chance to criticize Obama and they don't exactly like to be called Republicans. Can't say I blame them.
Yup...and entering the country illegally is a crime....I'm glad you agree ...
The 2nd amendment was written for one thing to protect the citizens against an abusive government or dictator..and personal protection. illegals are not citizens...
And the way Obama is pushing executive powers to the limit ( the supreme court should make up it's mind if it's illegal)
And you you can't call an illegal alien a citizen and propose they arm themselves against the local sheriff.

I couldn't care less if you call me a Republican:canada:
 

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"libtard" ????

Childish name calling. A sign of desperation. Now you know I am not one to turn the other cheek but can just as easily reverse the tables and employ a few epithets on you. So let's drop it and grow up. Ok?

As for the notion that he is enforcing the law, Arizona has been forced to pay $50 million dollars for his crimes which include the deaths of at least two people in his prisons. Anyone else would have been charged with manslaughter and put in prison. Not half of the cases have been settled and the state stands to pay many millions more.

Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the Constitution knows that the 2d Amendment was created to prevent such political crimes. It's time now to enforce the law and to put that murderer in jail where he belongs.
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His crimes? Why isn't he in jail? He's still the sheriff isn't he.

What part of "Illegal" don't you understand?
 

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You sure you're not thinking of Grunts? I have a cousin that was a GB and I sure wouldn't exactly call him unintelligent. Had a friend back in the OKValley that was also a GB before he immigrated. He also, was quite bright.

Typically, Special Forces troopers are chosen for their ability to think as well as fight.
 

gopher

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LOL, you just jave to love some peoples craziness.


Before you defend him, do some homework like this:


Lawsuit: Sheriff Arpaio


Lawsuit: Sheriff Arpaio’s Jail Denied Medicine To Diabetic Inmate, Causing her Death





he family of a woman who died after her custody at Maricopa County Jail is suing the office of the infamous Sheriff Joe Arpaio, alleging authorities neglected her and deprived her of necessary medications for days, allowing her to slip into a diabetic coma. The local ABC affiliate reports on the circumstances that led to Deborah Braillard’s death, after she was detained for a minor drug possession charge:
Witness[es] said that Deborah was constantly moaning and crying out in pain, asking for help, repeatedly vomiting, defecating on herself and having seizures.
“She would shake. Her body would stiffen up,” said Tamela Harper, an inmate in the jail with Braillard. “They never did anything to help her.”
Inmates said they begged officers to do something.
“They were telling everyone, ‘There’s nothing we can do about it. This is jail. Get over it,”’ Harper said.
Harper added that officers said Braillard was “kicking drugs” and that she was “getting what she deserved.”
Medical reports would later prove the guards were wrong.
As the trial begins, ABC15 Arizona says a series of reports will “shed light on what experts call a broken system inside Maricopa County jails that has led to needless deaths and tens of millions of taxpayer dollars paid out in lawsuits.” The family’s lawyer, Michael Manning, has won six other lawsuits against the Sheriff’s Office for jail-related deaths, and calls conditions there “deplorable.”
And Arpaio faces several lawsuits alleging racial profiling, including one on behalf of a class of Latinos, and another by the Department of Justice, which alleges a slate of grievous practices targeting Latinos, from assaulting pregnant women and ignoring rape, to random, unlawful detention of Latinos and use of racial slurs.






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And this:




Your tax dollars being spent to fight Sheriff Joe Arpaio






YOUR tax dollars: How much does it cost to defend the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office?


Read more: Your tax dollars being spent to fight Sheriff Joe Arpaio



PHOENIX - Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is known by many for his tough stance on illegal immigration, but what you might not know is the number of lawsuits his office has faced and how much it has cost taxpayers.
According to Maricopa County Risk Management records, almost 6,300 claims and lawsuits have been filed against Sheriff Arpaio and his office since he began as sheriff in 1993.




The cost to defend those cases has been more than $50 million.




Part of that $50 million has gone to defend more than 5,000 cases which were closed with no payout to the plaintiff.
But of the total 6,300 case, there have been 1,828 lawsuits against the sheriff's office, according to a national lawsuit database.


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There have also been cases (still unsettled) where pregnant prisoners suffered stillbirths because of conditions in his prisons. Therefore, it turns out that the Republican hero is an abortionist who murdered innocent babies.


For those of your Republicans and GOP wannabes who imagine yourselves to be so principled and so faithful to the Constitution, the 8th Amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment. Killing babies is worse than cruel. But to the pro lifers in the far right that's OK when it suits them.






 

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You sure you're not thinking of Grunts? I have a cousin that was a GB and I sure wouldn't exactly call him unintelligent. Had a friend back in the OKValley that was also a GB before he immigrated. He also, was quite bright.

You're sure you're not thinking of something else?

Before you defend him, do some homework like this:




There have also been cases (still unsettled) where pregnant prisoners suffered stillbirths because of conditions in his prisons. Therefore, it turns out that the Republican hero is an abortionist who murdered innocent babies.


Unsettled... but blame him anyways.

You add new meaning to ridiculous.


For those of your Republicans and GOP wannabes who imagine yourselves to be so principled and so faithful to the Constitution, the 8th Amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment. Killing babies is worse than cruel. But to the pro lifers in the far right that's OK when it suits them.

He's killing babies now? Good grief.

You sure you're not thinking of Grunts? I have a cousin that was a GB and I sure wouldn't exactly call him unintelligent. Had a friend back in the OKValley that was also a GB before he immigrated. He also, was quite bright.

Let's see... I was a Grunt and have a kick azz job. My Machine Gunner is a million dollar lawyer in Miami... Another guy in my squad created and owns company that makes BMX bikes and parts internationally and lives in a kick azz house in the L.A hills, he's worth millions. Quite a few cops, federal agents and firefighters... another lawyer in New Orleans...a guy that owns an Electrical Contracting company... another owns a Security/Alarm company...the list goes on and on.

Us Grunts are sure stupid.

If only I could have been like my college educated buddies who sell insurance and tend bar. Or the older guy from my neighborhood who was a Navy pilot and got out to work at Home Depot for years. I guess that Chemistry Degree didn't work out so well for him in the end.
 

gopher

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Eagle,

He's killing babies now? Good grief.
Racist Arpaio has done it more than once:

Latest News - Arpaio's Jail Staff Cost Ambrett Spencer Her Baby, and She's Not the Only One


Arpaio's Jail Staff Cost Ambrett Spencer Her Baby, and She's Not the Only One





"By the time the ambulance arrived at the Maricopa County Hospital, Spencer had been in severe pain and without a doctor for almost four hours. Doctors delivered Ambria Renee Spencer, a 9-pound baby girl with a quarter-inch of thick hair on her head.
Ambria was dead. Spencer's pain had been caused by internal bleeding -- a malady known as placental abruption. Babies often survive the condition, if their mothers go immediately to a hospital. The treatment is simple: immediate delivery. Otherwise, the baby dies from blood loss.




''McCollum blames unchecked violence and delayed medical care for the loss of her pregnancy.


"Lilly Lee recently got out of the Estrella Jail. Upon her release, she called New Times to spread the word about pregnant inmates.
"The detention officers knew these women were undergoing miscarriages, and we were telling them," she says.''




Don't believe any of this? Still want to defend your hero the baby killer Arpaio because you think I made this all up?

Lookie here:

Public Access to Criminal Court Case Information


There you can go back and check for all those cases for yourself. And remember that not even half the cases against that criminal have been settled.
 

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Just so we don't hijack the other thread, I figured I'd move this here...

No happy medians take work, because it's all about compromise. The all or nothing crowd, which has participants on both sides of this or any debate, cannot comprehend that concept. The anti gun crowd just comes across a more hysterical is all, in my opinion.
I concur, and can cite many cases from this thread, including what can only be described as a reading and comprehension problem.

All I know for absolutely sure is that, were I ever to obtain a firearm, I would make damn sure that I was sufficiently trained enough to operate it in a safe and responsible manner. If that's not being done currently, then it is woefully inadequate. If that contributes to scenarios like the one in the OP, than shame on us (society) for allowing that to happen.
1, In Ontario, the PAL course is woefully weak.
2, It should take far more than two to three days to learn all you need to know to purchase a weapon.
3, You don't even have to speak French or English to take the course and can use an interpretor.

The latter being one of the most troubling aspects of Ontario's weapons safety program.

They are also hindered by the serious comprehension issues of some of the pro gun crowd who seem to have a shortage on IQ points. Which is what is fogging the comprehension issues of some of the anti gun crowd.
The pro gun lobby here has been quite clear, concise and intelligent about their argument.

Apart from a select few who just shouldn't be allowed to wield a butter knife let alone a firearm.

I have to be honest, it sure fogs mine. When I hear someone like Colpy or Petros or you argue for, yes I sway that way. I see the logic and have no real issue because you guys are trained and rational.
You can add DaS to that list as well as a myriad of others here.

Then I read the average two digit IQer and their vehement, pry it from my cold dead hands, I say, okay, do pry it from their cold dead hands because they sure as HELL should not have a gun in their possession.
Sounds like someone who would think shooting an unarmed by-law officer on their property is okey dokey, to me.

If I chose to have a gun, I would have on-going training because like anything else, what is not used, deteriorates and is eventually totally lost. If one wants guns, earn the right. Period.
I concur.
 
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Just so we don't hijack the other thread, I figured I'd move this here...

Cool.

I concur, and can cite many cases from this thread, including what can only be described as a reading and comprehension problem.

1, In Ontario, the PAL course is woefully weak.
2, It should take far more than two to three days to learn all you need to know to purchase a weapon.
3, You even have to speak French or English to take the course and can use an interpretor.

The latter being one of the most troubling aspects of Ontario's weapons safety program.
It should definitely take more than two to three days. A gun, like a car, is a tool. And a gun, again like a car, can be very dangerous if the person operating it does not have sufficient skills.

Also the language component is troubling. How can such important information be conveyed with any kind of language barrier in place?

The pro gun lobby here has been quite clear, concise and intelligent about their argument.

Apart from a select few who just shouldn't be allowed to wield a butter knife let alone a firearm.
I would agree that most of the folks here in the pro gun lobby do make clear and concise arguments. There are still some elements I might not always agree with but I can't fault the logic that is used.

As I've stated before, I don't own and have never owned, a firearm. Where I live and my lifestyle I don't feel the need to. But should I ever live in a more isolated area, I have to admit that it would be an option. And I would make sure that I have sufficient training in it's use so that it would never be used inappropriately, ie there would be no 'accidents'. Where I get nervous is that I don't have the faith that other people would be as diligent. And that, to me, is where 'gun control' comes in. Not banning, not restricting really, but reasonable control of a tool that can be extremely dangerous in the wrong or stupid hands. And it does, at least sometimes, seems to me that that gets glossed over as this whole debate rages on.
 

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Just so we don't hijack the other thread, I figured I'd move this here...

I concur, and can cite many cases from this thread, including what can only be described as a reading and comprehension problem.

1, In Ontario, the PAL course is woefully weak.
2, It should take far more than two to three days to learn all you need to know to purchase a weapon.
3, You don't even have to speak French or English to take the course and can use an interpretor.

The latter being one of the most troubling aspects of Ontario's weapons safety program.

The pro gun lobby here has been quite clear, concise and intelligent about their argument.

Apart from a select few who just shouldn't be allowed to wield a butter knife let alone a firearm.

You can add DaS to that list as well as a myriad of others here.


I concur.
I can't say there is anything here that I would disagree with.