Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Ron in Regina

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It simply means that if the RCMP are to take away guns, they have to do it on the federal dime.
The current funding situation percentages that I see repeatedly are 30% from the Feds & 70% from the Provincial purses.

Where the Feds get that 30% that they’re chipping in from….that could become an interesting question depending on how bullying they want to be on this one.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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A complete handgun ban is primarily intended to choke off supply, legal and illegal. I'm not sure that's possible when you have thousands of kilometres of undefended borders with the most gun-happy country in the world.

The key question for anybody serious is how a society can make the perceived risk of carrying a gun more serious than the perceived need for one?

"You got to carry weapons
'Cuz you always carry cash"
--Glenn Frye, Smuggler's Blues
 

petros

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An RPAL is a way for a dumbass to make $2000 (plus B&E insurance pay out). A $350 Cabelas 9mm peashooter special is worth $2000 on the street.
 

Ron in Regina

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No provincial money will be used to administer or enforce a planned federal government gun buyback program.

That’s according to Corrections, Policing and Public Safety Minister Christine Tell, who called it a “confiscation program.”

Tell wrote a two-page letter to RCMP Assistant Commissioner Rhonda Blackmore on Sept. 27, indicating “it would seem to be counterintuitive to take our front line resources from our provincial policing service to carry out a federally mandated administrative program.”

“Under the provincial police services agreement with the RCMP, the provincial government sets the priorities for the RCMP in the province,” she said in a subsequent interview.

Each year, the provincial government pays 70 per cent of the RCMP’s contract, or around $211 million. The federal government pays the remaining 30 per cent. If the RCMP went ahead with enforcing the planned buyback program, Tell said a number of options would be on the table, including possible funding cuts.

“However, we are hopeful the RCMP will take the letter in the spirit and intent it was written, communicating the fact that the province of Saskatchewan does not in any way support buyback or confiscation of personal property,” Tell said.

Municipal police forces such as the Regina and Saskatoon police services are not funded by the provincial government, and Tell said the government would not direct municipal police services on what they should do.

“However, I think everybody needs to have a really common understanding here that legal gun owners are heavily vetted every which way (and) that legal gun owners are not the issue,” she added. “Criminals using trafficked, stolen firearms committing criminal acts are the issue.”

Therefore, she said, if the federal government was not addressing those particular issues, she questioned what confiscating guns from legal gun owners had to do with public safety.

Tell said Saskatchewan’s stance on the matter should not be surprising in any way to the federal government.

“(There would be support) if there was any element in what they are proposing to do that affected or enhanced public safety in the province of Saskatchewan, but it does not. Legal gun (and) firearms owners are not the problem … so what are (federal government officials) attempting to solve?” asked Tell.

“I don’t think anybody is going to be surprised by this.”

Alberta and Manitoba have also expressed concerns about, and opposition to, the buyback program.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Canada’s territorial premiers raised concerns on Friday about last-minute changes to the Liberal government’s proposed gun-control legislation, adding to a growing backlash over the amendments, which would criminalize some firearms commonly used by hunters.

Northwest Territories Premier Caroline Cochrane offered a forceful rebuke of the late changes to Bill C-21, emphasizing that many Indigenous people in the territory rely on rifles for hunting to buffer against extremely high costs of food.

When asked by a reporter on Friday if she supports the bill in its latest form, Ms. Cochrane said: “If they didn’t look at the needs for hunters, then I could not support it because then I would be supporting people starving.”

Criticism has been mounting in the weeks since – from both Conservative and NDP MPs, and even from within the Liberals’ own party. On Thursday, First Nations chiefs, who’d gathered from across Canada for a meeting in Ottawa, voted unanimously in favour of a resolution opposing the bill.

The Liberals may claim their recent amendments to Bill C-21 – that would outlaw hundreds of popular rifle and shotgun models – do not target hunters, farmers and sport shooters. But the simple truth is, the amendments will only affect law-abiding gun owners.

Gun-toting criminals will not be impacted in any way, so who other than hunters et al do the Liberals imagine their amendments will target?

The prime minister, the justice minister, the public safety minister and a score of Liberal backbenchers have all insisted, beyond any measure of believability, that the last-minute addition of over 400 pages of long-gun models to their bill banning all handguns is not what it very clearly is – the most massive, sweeping gun-control bill in the history of Canada, and very likely in the history of Westminster democracies.

On top of that, the more evidence has piled up that the Liberals are singling out hunting guns for confiscation, the louder and more vehement have been their denials. As if the bolder their lies, the more likely their urban, firearms-ignorant supporters are to believe them.

For weeks now, the Liberals have been using procedural rules to prevent testimony from anyone who isn’t friendly to their ban. Apparently, without consulting the Conservatives, the Liberals worked out a deal with the NDP and Bloc to allow two days of outside witnesses from an approved list. So when the Conservatives objected that that was a sham, the Liberals pounced, claiming it was the Conservatives who were determined to keep Canadians from hearing the truth about Bill C-21.

Harder for the Liberals to brush aside are the objections from the Assembly of First Nations and the Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations to the long-gun ban.

The Libs pay great lip service to reconciliation with First Peoples, but their commitment seems mostly to apply only when First Nations are going along with Liberal policies.

Now these two large, Indigenous lobbies have claimed the hunting-gun ban violates their treaty rights.

No doubt the Liberals will pretend to hear. They may even go as far as they did back in the days of the long-gun registry and set up a separate set of rules for Indigenous citizens – two-tiered gun control.

It certainly appears that the decision to parachute two controversial amendments into the government’s gun bill, C-21, at the committee stage on the eve of the 33rd anniversary of the Ecole Polytechnique massacre was taken because it was judged to be a useful political wedge. As one minister sanitized it privately, it would offer voters “a stark choice.”

The bill originally sought to put a freeze on handgun sales and tighten gun ownership, a move opposed by Conservatives but supported by the NDP and the Bloc Québécois.

But the Liberals have shattered that progressive coalition by introducing the 11th hour amendments without consultation, offering an “evergreen” definition of what constitutes an “assault weapon” and, even more flagrantly, submitting a 480-page list of prohibited weapons, some of which (for example, the wood-stock, single shot Ruger No. 1) clearly do not meet that definition.

The Liberals banked that the move would be wildly popular among a progressive, downtown voting base that wouldn’t know a Remington 870 shotgun from a Remington typewriter.

But Indigenous groups, hunters and farmers are up in arms at seeing previously legal weapons on the prohibited list, while both the NDP and Bloc want the amendments removed or watered down. They may be as rare as hen’s teeth, but even Liberal members with rural ridings, such as Yukon MP Brendan Hanley, have broken ranks with the governing party, saying the bill would negatively impact constituents who hunt for food and recreation.

“Millions of hunters will be impacted by what they’ve done. And they brought it forward at the 11th hour in the most sneaky and underhanded way,” she (Manitoba Conservative Raquel Dancho) said, as she was ejected from the House of Commons Thursday after accusing a Liberal MP of lying and refusing to apologize.

The proposed change at the heart of the controversy — amendment G4 to Bill C-21 — seeks to widen the definition of a “prohibited weapon” to include “a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun, that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed.”
 

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Canada’s territorial premiers raised concerns on Friday about last-minute changes to the Liberal government’s proposed gun-control legislation, adding to a growing backlash over the amendments, which would criminalize some firearms commonly used by hunters.

Northwest Territories Premier Caroline Cochrane offered a forceful rebuke of the late changes to Bill C-21, emphasizing that many Indigenous people in the territory rely on rifles for hunting to buffer against extremely high costs of food.

When asked by a reporter on Friday if she supports the bill in its latest form, Ms. Cochrane said: “If they didn’t look at the needs for hunters, then I could not support it because then I would be supporting people starving.”

Criticism has been mounting in the weeks since – from both Conservative and NDP MPs, and even from within the Liberals’ own party. On Thursday, First Nations chiefs, who’d gathered from across Canada for a meeting in Ottawa, voted unanimously in favour of a resolution opposing the bill.

The Liberals may claim their recent amendments to Bill C-21 – that would outlaw hundreds of popular rifle and shotgun models – do not target hunters, farmers and sport shooters. But the simple truth is, the amendments will only affect law-abiding gun owners.

Gun-toting criminals will not be impacted in any way, so who other than hunters et al do the Liberals imagine their amendments will target?

The prime minister, the justice minister, the public safety minister and a score of Liberal backbenchers have all insisted, beyond any measure of believability, that the last-minute addition of over 400 pages of long-gun models to their bill banning all handguns is not what it very clearly is – the most massive, sweeping gun-control bill in the history of Canada, and very likely in the history of Westminster democracies.

On top of that, the more evidence has piled up that the Liberals are singling out hunting guns for confiscation, the louder and more vehement have been their denials. As if the bolder their lies, the more likely their urban, firearms-ignorant supporters are to believe them.

For weeks now, the Liberals have been using procedural rules to prevent testimony from anyone who isn’t friendly to their ban. Apparently, without consulting the Conservatives, the Liberals worked out a deal with the NDP and Bloc to allow two days of outside witnesses from an approved list. So when the Conservatives objected that that was a sham, the Liberals pounced, claiming it was the Conservatives who were determined to keep Canadians from hearing the truth about Bill C-21.

Harder for the Liberals to brush aside are the objections from the Assembly of First Nations and the Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations to the long-gun ban.

The Libs pay great lip service to reconciliation with First Peoples, but their commitment seems mostly to apply only when First Nations are going along with Liberal policies.

Now these two large, Indigenous lobbies have claimed the hunting-gun ban violates their treaty rights.

No doubt the Liberals will pretend to hear. They may even go as far as they did back in the days of the long-gun registry and set up a separate set of rules for Indigenous citizens – two-tiered gun control.

It certainly appears that the decision to parachute two controversial amendments into the government’s gun bill, C-21, at the committee stage on the eve of the 33rd anniversary of the Ecole Polytechnique massacre was taken because it was judged to be a useful political wedge. As one minister sanitized it privately, it would offer voters “a stark choice.”

The bill originally sought to put a freeze on handgun sales and tighten gun ownership, a move opposed by Conservatives but supported by the NDP and the Bloc Québécois.

But the Liberals have shattered that progressive coalition by introducing the 11th hour amendments without consultation, offering an “evergreen” definition of what constitutes an “assault weapon” and, even more flagrantly, submitting a 480-page list of prohibited weapons, some of which (for example, the wood-stock, single shot Ruger No. 1) clearly do not meet that definition.

The Liberals banked that the move would be wildly popular among a progressive, downtown voting base that wouldn’t know a Remington 870 shotgun from a Remington typewriter.

But Indigenous groups, hunters and farmers are up in arms at seeing previously legal weapons on the prohibited list, while both the NDP and Bloc want the amendments removed or watered down. They may be as rare as hen’s teeth, but even Liberal members with rural ridings, such as Yukon MP Brendan Hanley, have broken ranks with the governing party, saying the bill would negatively impact constituents who hunt for food and recreation.

“Millions of hunters will be impacted by what they’ve done. And they brought it forward at the 11th hour in the most sneaky and underhanded way,” she (Manitoba Conservative Raquel Dancho) said, as she was ejected from the House of Commons Thursday after accusing a Liberal MP of lying and refusing to apologize.

The proposed change at the heart of the controversy — amendment G4 to Bill C-21 — seeks to widen the definition of a “prohibited weapon” to include “a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun, that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed.”
Trudeau should keep his nose out of anything to do with guns!
 

petros

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Again? He was cocaine baby. How does that differ from birdshot the the brain?

Maggie didnt quit coke, drinking or weed while being a broodmare for a gay man 30 years older than she was. The offspring are/were all addicts. Even the second marriage.
 

Ron in Regina

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The BUTT MASTER sounds like the kind of fitness product (or something like that) that would show up on a late-night infomercial (or PornHub) or bad social media ad.

Instead, it’s one of the guns Justin Trudeau is banning to keep Canada safe from mass shootings, or that’s what he keeps telling us.

“We don’t need assault-style weapons that were designed to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time,” Trudeau said when introducing Bill C-21 earlier this year.

He’s continued to use that kind of language even as his government has come under fire for expanding the bill to include hunting rifles and shotguns. The BUTT MASTER, though, doesn’t fit the description of a hunting rifle or shotgun and it’s not an “assault-style weapon” designed to “kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time.”

The BUTT MASTER is a single shot pen gun that must be partly disassembled to load the single bullet it can shoot. There’s also only ONE of them and it is still in the possession of the man who designed it 23 years ago.

“How the hell does the Canadian government know about it?” asked gun designer Mark Serbu in a video he posted to YouTube just over a week ago.

“It didn’t go anywhere, it didn’t get sold, it didn’t transfer out. It’s been here is my possession.”

Serbu, who owns a gunsmithing business in the Tampa, Florida area, also has three other guns on the banned list. Each of those guns are 50-calibre target shooting rifles manufactured for sale. Serbu has sold thousands of these kinds of guns over the years, but he’s only made ONE BUTT MASTER, which he still owns.

There would be legitimate reasons for banning pen guns, such as how easy they are to conceal, but the truth is the BUTT MASTER is already illegal in Canada, that is if you could even get the existing ONE off of Serbu.

Including guns like the Butt Master though, or the Cycles de St Etienne Cannon Breech Punt Gun, shows this isn’t about dealing with crime or public safety. Neither is the attempt to ban so many hunting guns relied upon across the country.

The government is saying they will review the list during the Christmas break but perhaps, given the inclusion of the Butt Master and other ridiculous guns, they should just walk away and start again.
 
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The_Foxer

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The government is saying they will review the list during the Christmas break
The only thing they're reviewing is how to continue without turning the public against them. They'll be looking at which guns they can make scary enough that nobody could claim they were for hunting. They will ban every rifle they think they can get away with. They'll let enough time go by that people calm down and then they'll put forward a list they think the public will accept.

Of course - that assumes they're not going to try to force an election this spring/fall. If they do then they'll put together a list that's ONLY very scary guns and then try to make it an election issue by forcing the CPC to say they won't ban dangerous guns.