Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[JLM]

Long gun registry a very useful tool for law enforcement and since it is in place it must be kept in place.

http://www.firearmstraining.ca/classes.htm

Non-restricted firearms are ordinary hunting and sporting rifles, shotguns and airguns with an overall length of 660mm or greater. Many airguns fall into this class because they are capable of achieving a muzzle velocity of 500 feet per second. If it is a centrefire semi-automatic firearm, the barrel length must be at least 470mm to be non-restricted. These firearms must be stored, transported and displayed according to Federal regulations and you need a firearms licence to possess them. Provincial and municipal rules may further regulate these firearms (e.g., Ontario hunting regulations require that firearms being transported be encased at night). Certain firearms, although they meet the above criteria, have been classified as "restricted" or "prohibited" by order-in-council.

National long gun registry is that the key?

Rifles or long guns are the major cause of murders in rural Canada and they are considered a non-restricted firearm.

I found this in the 1995 Hansard Bill 68 fire arms act third reading.
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=35&Ses=1&DocId=2332474#FIREARMSACT

The National Long Gun Registry must be saved.

The decision of the Liberal leader to whip the vote is the right one since this bill really is a government bill disguised as a private member's bill.

No the registry should be trashed, it's already cost us over $10 billion. No doubt about it registered guns will decrease the murders by guns but just increase them by knives, arrows, bombs, tire irons etc. ONe good rule of thumb to keep in mind.........."if it's bureaucracy it's bad".

 

[Liberalman]

No the registry should be trashed, it's already cost us over $10 billion. No doubt about it registered guns will decrease the murders by guns but just increase them by knives, arrows, bombs, tire irons etc. ONe good rule of thumb to keep in mind.........."if it's bureaucracy it's bad".

Show me the link that it cost $10 billion and not some Conservative web site where they tend to exaggerate their numbers

 

[YukonJack]

News flash:

Realizing that complying with the law of the land, is the responsible thing to do, all inner city gangs decided to register their guns.

Proving, once again, that the Gun Registry IS working!!!!

 

[Colpy]

Long gun registry a very useful tool for law enforcement and since it is in place it must be kept in place.

http://www.firearmstraining.ca/classes.htm

Non-restricted firearms are ordinary hunting and sporting rifles, shotguns and airguns with an overall length of 660mm or greater. Many airguns fall into this class because they are capable of achieving a muzzle velocity of 500 feet per second. If it is a centrefire semi-automatic firearm, the barrel length must be at least 470mm to be non-restricted. These firearms must be stored, transported and displayed according to Federal regulations and you need a firearms licence to possess them. Provincial and municipal rules may further regulate these firearms (e.g., Ontario hunting regulations require that firearms being transported be encased at night). Certain firearms, although they meet the above criteria, have been classified as "restricted" or "prohibited" by order-in-council.

National long gun registry is that the key?

Rifles or long guns are the major cause of murders in rural Canada and they are considered a non-restricted firearm.

I found this in the 1995 Hansard Bill 68 fire arms act third reading.
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=35&Ses=1&DocId=2332474#FIREARMSACT

The National Long Gun Registry must be saved.

The decision of the Liberal leader to whip the vote is the right one since this bill really is a government bill disguised as a private member's bill.

Now, I'm gonna keep repeating this stuff until you get it...........

Facts:
1. Alan Rock is a bonafide moron. Nothing more to say about him.

2. Only a moron would believe that making a list of anything prevents its misuse.

3. Those who keep firearms, and their addresses, are easily identified by the firearms LICENSE system, no registration is required.

4. In fact, as registered firearms can be legally lent from one license holder to the other, without notification of the already overloaded system, the registration system is useless even to identify the number of firearms in the residence of a licensed gun owner. Even if it included all guns, and was dependable.......which it most assuredly is NOT!

5. Dr. Gary Mauser did a little research, comparing murder rates and all ....and found the following............
Between 1997 and 2005 there were between 7 and 17 persons with some form of firearms license arrested for murder annually.
There were slightly under 2 million licensed owners in that time.
That means licensed firearms owners committed homicide rate of between 0.35 and 0.85 per 100,000.
The national homicide rate in that period varied between 1.74 and 2.06 per 100,000.

Considering the fact that the national rate includes all persons in the 100,000, including children.....and the licensed rate consists solely of licensed owners.......you are several times more likely to be killed by someone without a firearms license than by someone with a license......kinda kills the old "guns cause murder" thingy, doesn't it"

6. All those cops that are consulting records to see if there are firearms in a house they are visiting.......should breathe a sigh of relief if they come up with a licensed shooter.....because he is LESS apt to kill them......

7. MOST IMPORTANT: The anti-gun culture's basic premise is a lie.

 

[FiveParadox]

No the registry should be trashed, it's already cost us over $10 billion. No doubt about it registered guns will decrease the murders by guns but just increase them by knives, arrows, bombs, tire irons etc. ONe good rule of thumb to keep in mind.........."if it's bureaucracy it's bad".

Ms. Sheila Fraser, the Auditor General of Canada, has found that the long-gun portion of the registry (the part that this private member’s bill targets) costs Canadians less than ten cents per citizen per year.

 

[Colpy]

Ms. Sheila Fraser, the Auditor General of Canada, has found that the long-gun portion of the registry (the part that this private member’s bill targets) costs Canadians less than ten cents per citizen per year.

And I am sure that if the government of Canada decided to set up a registration system for wrist watches, it would cost LESS than 10 cents a person and do at least as much to limit crime.

I await your post approving the idea of a wrist watch registry.

I bet they could even do it without insulting several million Canadians.

 

[JLM]

Ms. Sheila Fraser, the Auditor General of Canada, has found that the long-gun portion of the registry (the part that this private member’s bill targets) costs Canadians less than ten cents per citizen per year.

That is $3.5 million per year and we have hospitals closing wards. :smile:

 

[JLM]

And I am sure that if the government of Canada decided to set up a registration system for wrist watches, it would cost LESS than 10 cents a person and do at least as much to limit crime.

I await your post approving the idea of a wrist watch registry.

I bet they could even do it without insulting several million Canadians.

Hey, I can do better than that- I'd gladly pay $1 criminal/year to set up a criminal registry. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[FiveParadox]

The only insult to Canadians is the suggestion that we should ignore the testimony of our police associations and scrap the registry, when there is absolutely not a single compelling reason to do so. Police associations have told us how frequently our officers access its records, and you know what, I am more than willing to chip in my dime each year to make sure our uniformed officers can enter a potentially-dangerous situation just that much better prepared.

 

[Risus]

And I am sure that if the government of Canada decided to set up a registration system for wrist watches, it would cost LESS than 10 cents a person and do at least as much to limit crime.

I await your post approving the idea of a wrist watch registry.

I bet they could even do it without insulting several million Canadians.

Colpy, I think you have lost it. Come back when you have something sensible to say.

 

[JLM]

And I am sure that if the government of Canada decided to set up a registration system for wrist watches, it would cost LESS than 10 cents a person and do at least as much to limit crime.

I await your post approving the idea of a wrist watch registry.

I bet they could even do it without insulting several million Canadians.

You may be 20 years too late with that idea. there's more "watches" on cell phones and blackberries these days than there are on wrists. But I'll give you B+ for sensible thinking. :lol:

 

[DaSleeper]

Hey, I can do better than that- I'd gladly pay $1 criminal/year to set up a criminal registry. :lol::lol::lol:

That would probably be argued by some criminal lawyer to be unconstitutional;-):smile:

 

[bobnoorduyn]

The only insult to Canadians is the suggestion that we should ignore the testimony of our police associations and scrap the registry, when there is absolutely not a single compelling reason to do so. Police associations have told us how frequently our officers access its records, and you know what, I am more than willing to chip in my dime each year to make sure our uniformed officers can enter a potentially-dangerous situation just that much better prepared.

The associations who testify in favour of the registry are those of the chiefs of police. The insult is that those who inforce the law are also those who would impose it. If you think that that the government and its enforcers are the ones who will keep you safe at night, maybe you should read a little history. When citizens are disarmed bad things happen to them. We are no further ahead than we were 60, 100, 1000, 5000 years ago in the face of human nature.

The police are our servants, not the other way around. Wake up.

 

[JLM]

That would probably be argued by some criminal lawyer to be unconstitutional;-):smile:

Or better still- $2 a year to set up a lawyer DEregistry. :smile::smile:

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Ms. Sheila Fraser, the Auditor General of Canada, has found that the long-gun portion of the registry (the part that this private member’s bill targets) costs Canadians less than ten cents per citizen per year.

Anyone who gives up liberty for security deserves neither. That you would actually willingly pay to do so is terribly reckless, but your choice. But to lobby governments to require others to do likewise is absolutely despicable.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Long gun registry a very useful tool for law enforcement and since it is in place it must be kept in place.


National long gun registry is that the key?

Rifles or long guns are the major cause of murders in rural Canada and they are considered a non-restricted firearm.

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublica...ode=1&Parl=35&Ses=1&DocId=2332474#FIREARMSACT

The National Long Gun Registry must be saved.

Water is the major cause of drownings, let's drain the oceans and lakes, or at least register them. Duh!!!! Guns may be the weapon of choice, but they are not the cause. How long are you going to blame the tool for the actions of people who weild it? BTW, axes, knives, hammers, trucks, are also favoured weapons.

 

[JLM]

Water is the major cause of drownings, let's drain the oceans and lakes, or at least register them. Duh!!!! Guns may be the weapon of choice, but they are not the cause. How long are you going to blame the tool for the actions of people who weild it? BTW, axes, knives, hammers, trucks, are also favoured weapons.

It's SO nice to see some common sense here, Bob. The CRIMINAL is what we want taken care of - WHY is it so hard for people to understand that crimnals don't register guns?

 

[lone wolf]

The long gun registry is useful for two reasons. It lets government know who may have weapons if Canadians ever decide they've had enough and it's time to evict the Old Boys' Club ... and it's another cash cow.

 

[Colpy]

The only insult to Canadians is the suggestion that we should ignore the testimony of our police associations and scrap the registry, when there is absolutely not a single compelling reason to do so. Police associations have told us how frequently our officers access its records, and you know what, I am more than willing to chip in my dime each year to make sure our uniformed officers can enter a potentially-dangerous situation just that much better prepared.

For the umpteenth time:

The vast majority of hits on the registry are automatically generated, or are the result of simple administrative tasks (3 hits at least for every firearms transaction).

A hit on the registry cannot EVEN reveal all LEGAL firearms at a residence, as guns can be lent perfectly legally from one license holder to the other, without notifying the authorities.

The ONLY dependable indication of LEGAL guns at a residence is the address attached to a licensed shooter.....and licensing is not part of this debate.

And, statistics show that if a police quiry reveals they are at the residence of a licensed shooter, they should breathe a sigh of relief, as he is several times LESS apt to kill them than anyone chosen at random from the general public.

IN ADDITION: The police would love to burn the Charter of Rights. The police would approve of the above-mentioned wrist-watch registry. The police have a tough job, and want every tool of control possible added to their repetoire.........that is why places where the police make policy are known as POLICE STATES. I, for one, don't want to live in a place where the police make policy, and I like police........

Yes, gun owners are insulted by registration, and injured. As we stand right now, thousands of guns registered legally and in good faith have been seized (stolen by the government) from owners without compensation. Right now, hundreds of thousands of legally registered handguns are slated for seizure.....without compensation. The RCMP just re-classified a weapon without cause, and they will be seized from their owners. REGISTRATION INEVITABLY LEADS TO CONFISCATION, which is the only reason the police want to keep it.

Now THAT is a insult to Canadian gun owners.

 

[ironsides]

How about instead of registering firearms, just run checks on who wants to purchase one. In other words register a individual so they can purchase a rifle or handgun. If they want to purchase another weapon after that, all it would take is a phone call, computer check by the retailer to see if their still qualified. (clean record)