Fire the bastard

gerryh

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Does Sheik Salami in Pjammas have different rights than you, me or the pilot? Then how was he violated if we are all susceptable to the same treatment?



So, you can't back up your assertions, it's just so much sensationalized rhetoric.
 

petros

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Do you have the same liabilities as the pilot that back the decision of the pilot? He used his limited rights backed by liabilities and the rights of many in the air and the rights of thousands on the ground.

When it becomes your decision you can let Sheik Salami in Pajammas onto your aircraft if you want to. That is your right.
 

CUBert

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Another good one!!

Actually FBI hate crime records. But nevermind that, they contradict your narrative so lets pretend they don't exist. I'm just talking out my ass. lol

Jewish people make up neary 2 percent of the U.S population where Muslims make up less than 1 percent, and it was only recently where hated for Muslims flared up in America, hate crimes are on the rise against Muslims.
 
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Tonington

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How does "the Captain" differ from a bouncer selecting customers for a bar?

Bouncers don't have autopilot for those times when they want to take a nap.

The pilot is responsible for his passengers, if he feels there are those who may be a risk
to those passengers, he is the captain who is in charge of his craft.

He will have to be accountable for his decision now. Simply having the authority doesn't mean he can use it willy nilly.
 

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The bottom line in all this is the pilot is being paid for his main duty of being responsible for the delivery of his passengers to their destination safely. He is the only one on that plane who can make decisions regarding that responsibility and if he has ANY doubts, it's up to him to refuse to fly the plane.
 

Unforgiven

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So who would you rather be feeling upset and distracted the pilot or the Imam? They got on a different flight anyway and if Delta wants to fire the pilot they probably have cause. But I would still go with making sure the pilot is a happy camper while being responsible for all those people who put their lives in his or her hands.
 

SLM

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So who would you rather be feeling upset and distracted the pilot or the Imam? They got on a different flight anyway and if Delta wants to fire the pilot they probably have cause. But I would still go with making sure the pilot is a happy camper while being responsible for all those people who put their lives in his or her hands.
I'd personally feel more comfortable flying with a pilot who can make clear, rational and logical decisions and not abuse his authority to obscure very thinly veiled racist tendencies.

I also noted how the plane was boarded and pulled away from the gate before he made this decision. Shouldn't pilots have quicker reflexes when making decisions? Maybe he shouldn't be flying at all.
 

Just the Facts

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Jewish people make up neary 2 percent of the U.S population where Muslims make up less than 1 percent, and it was only recently where hated for Muslims flared up in America, hate crimes are on the rise against Muslims.

lol actually they're on the decline.

According to your rep by pop theory, Christians should be at the top of the hate crime list. But they aren't. Oh well, chuck another argument.
 

Unforgiven

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I'd personally feel more comfortable flying with a pilot who can make clear, rational and logical decisions and not abuse his authority to obscure very thinly veiled racist tendencies.

I also noted how the plane was boarded and pulled away from the gate before he made this decision. Shouldn't pilots have quicker reflexes when making decisions? Maybe he shouldn't be flying at all.

Maybe that's when what ever it was that bothered him about the two came to his attention. As far as you or I know, it may have been a clear, rational and logical decision. The pilot is a professional and obviously in that position for some time as they don't let rookies pilot commercial aircraft. Why is it that there seems to be no possible way for these two Imams could have started acting suspiciously once they were on board? Why does the pilot have to be racist and all the rest of it when the onus is on the pilot to make judgement calls like that?

Yes while it would be best if pilots and anyone else in a position of authority make all perfect and correct decisions every time, reality says err on the side of safety. If the plane goes down because of two Imams there isn't a do over. If the two Imams get bumped there is always another flight and a little inconvenience for the two.
 

SLM

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Maybe that's when what ever it was that bothered him about the two came to his attention. As far as you or I know, it may have been a clear, rational and logical decision. The pilot is a professional and obviously in that position for some time as they don't let rookies pilot commercial aircraft. Why is it that there seems to be no possible way for these two Imams could have started acting suspiciously once they were on board? Why does the pilot have to be racist and all the rest of it when the onus is on the pilot to make judgement calls like that?

Yes while it would be best if pilots and anyone else in a position of authority make all perfect and correct decisions every time, reality says err on the side of safety. If the plane goes down because of two Imams there isn't a do over. If the two Imams get bumped there is always another flight and a little inconvenience for the two.
"...the pilot was refusing to accept them because some other passengers could be uncomfortable."

It doesn't seem to me that it was a safety issue at all. I think,based on the story as written, that this was his attitude and he was hiding behind his authority. That's my inference based on the available information.
 

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That freedom of expression is a fundamental right for everyone.
oh yeah! Maybe I have a right to go to Saudi Arabia and preach from the Bible on a street corner. But it wouldn't be very smart, would it?
People who put their 'fundamental rights' ahead of consideration for others deserve what they get.
 

Cannuck

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Will we ever reach a time when people are judged by the content of their character?

This pilot is a coward, using his offical status to judge two people he doesn't know....


Probably not. I think we will continue to see people judged by incomplete information gleaned from the web.
 

Unforgiven

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"...the pilot was refusing to accept them because some other passengers could be uncomfortable."

It doesn't seem to me that it was a safety issue at all. I think,based on the story as written, that this was his attitude and he was hiding behind his authority. That's my inference based on the available information.

Fair enough. I disagree and remain with my idea that the pilot should have the last call. If the pilot is racist or a bigot in some way and abusing his authority then Delta can let him go or you don't have to fly Delta.

Seems to me though that there is usually two sides to a story.
 

Cannuck

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Am I the only one who noticed....

Nope

What specifically prompted the pilot to make this decision. The link doesn't get into the specifics as to what happened (the plane had already left the gate before the pilot returned). It's really hard to blame the pilot without all the information and I'll leave that up to the usual suspects that like to fly off the handle before getting all the facts.