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darkbeaver

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It's not socialism that has destroyed the Canadian economy.. and have no doubt that it is in a death spiral. Williamson doesn't even know what socialism is, and is under the illusion that we have sidestepped the catastrophe now descending on Europe and U.S..

What has destroyed the Canadian economy is the collapse of economic nationalism.. through the cult of Free Trade, Monetarism and Free Markets.. that has destroyed the integrated industrial economy.. and we have had nothing but bunglers and fools in government for 30 years atleast (Mulroney, Chretien, Harper).. who have no idea how economies really work... or what we are headed for.

That illusion will only be dispelled by famine disease and war. This is how economies work. War is the economy. War has been the economy for ten thousand years. Peace is only preparation for more war.
 

JLM

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It's not socialism that has destroyed the Canadian economy.. and have no doubt that it is in a death spiral. Williamson doesn't even know what socialism is, and is under the illusion that we have sidestepped the catastrophe now descending on Europe and U.S..

What has destroyed the Canadian economy is the collapse of economic nationalism.. through the cult of Free Trade, Monetarism and Free Markets.. that has destroyed the integrated industrial economy.. and we have had nothing but bunglers and fools in government for 30 years atleast (Mulroney, Chretien, Harper).. who have no idea how economies really work... or what we are headed for.

Did I miss a news report saying the Canadian economy has been destroyed? Most of us in this neighbourhood are still eating 3 times a day! :smile:
 

petros

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Ayn Rand and her flunkies spouting "greed is good" is where to look to when it comes to economic down turn. Greedspan was boinking her.
 

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In one sense it's easily solvable and in another sense it's not. To solve it every person of average means would merely have to go on a five year belt tightening program, basically just purchasing essentials and putting the rest of their income toward the debt- that's the easy part, the hard part is getting them to do it! But if they don't, their kids and grandkids are going to have even more of an up hill battle! :smile:

Wonder what politician would have the guts to force an idea like that to become law overnight. It is an answer and it would work, but I don't think the majority would support it. Something like that would have to be eased into the tax base, and it will be a generation or two before we see results.
 

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Wonder what politician would have the guts to force an idea like that to become law overnight. It is an answer and it would work, but I don't think the majority would support it. Something like that would have to be eased into the tax base, and it will be a generation or two before we see results.

It would probably be one of the soundest investments a person could make.
 

ironsides

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It would probably be one of the soundest investments a person could make.
No question about it, it would be.

What have we learned in 2,064 years?

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled,
public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be
tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should
be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to
work, instead of living on public assistance."

- Cicero - 55 BC

So evidently nothing.
 

petros

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Harper is a "progrressive socialist" so spending won't change at all.

They used to excuse that lower corporate taxes will stimulate the business economy and the same will be said for the domestic economy when taxes are axed, if they are axed.

The crap about trickle down is crap. Those who have money don't go running out spending money on things they already have. It's time the bottom got the break so they can spend and stimulate the economy. A 10% reduction in taxes is like everyone getting a 10% raise. That is what makes an economy hum.
 

JLM

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Harper is a "progrressive socialist" so spending won't change at all.

They used to excuse that lower corporate taxes will stimulate the business economy and the same will be said for the domestic economy when taxes are axed, if they are axed.

The crap about trickle down is crap. Those who have money don't go running out spending money on things they already have. It's time the bottom got the break so they can spend and stimulate the economy. A 10% reduction in taxes is like everyone getting a 10% raise. That is what makes an economy hum.

It won't "fly", Petros, most people want "government" to do everything for them, if you think the screaming about lack of healthcare is noisy now, it will be bedlam after a 10% tax cut.
 

petros

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It won't "fly", Petros, most people want "government" to do everything for them, if you think the screaming about lack of healthcare is noisy now, it will be bedlam after a 10% tax cut.
10% more into provincial economy means more provincial sales tax revenue which pays for healthcare.
 

JLM

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10% more into provincial economy means more provincial sales tax revenue which pays for healthcare.

I'd like to see it work as much as anyone but I hae me doots!

Who kill more fellow iraqi's, than they kill US personnel.

Go figure.

It would be interesting to see solid figures on who killed how many from 2003 to 2008..............probably the Sunnis killing the ****ties! :lol:
 

JLM

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Look into the Kennedy cuts in the early sixties to see how tax cuts turn economies around.

Entirely different financial situation than the 60s, Petros. Like I said earlier I think selling hot dogs on the White House lawn is the answer. A permanent hot dog stand that would create employment and the price would be by donation to clear the debt. Better still set one up in the capital city of all 50 states. :lol:
 

petros

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Why is different than the 60's? A dead economy is a dead economy. If people can't spend there is no economy. It's very simple.