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Mowich

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End the Debt Limit

Published: August 4, 2011

"As this page said in 1961 — not remotely for the first time or the last — the “debt limit does not limit the debt.” It’s an illusion of a law, instituted in World War I, to persuade gullible taxpayers that Congress is exercising responsible oversight over borrowing."

"Mr. McConnell may call it a “debate,” but what his party really did was threaten the economy with catastrophe in the blind pursuit of huge spending cuts with no tax increases. He admitted that he saw the ceiling as “a hostage that’s worth ransoming.” No president or voter should tolerate that level of disregard for the national good. "

"The 14th Amendment, adopted during Reconstruction, says the validity of the public debt of the United States cannot be questioned. Threatening the economy with calamity to achieve partisan goals does just that. President Obama should use every power at his disposal to fend off Republicans’ irresponsible threats and invite them to meet him in court if they want to resist."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/opinion/end-the-debt-limit.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211


A Volatile Wall Street Ends the Day Flat

Stock indexes on Wall Street bounced around like a yo-yo on Friday, a day after they lost 4 percent of their value.

After a quick sigh of relief on better-than-expected jobs numbers at the opening, Wall Street moved lower as fears continued to hang over markets that the United States and Europe were not doing enough to counter their economic problems.

The three major Wall Street indexes were all over the map at the close, just as they were during the day. The Dow Jones industrial average was up 60.93, or 0.54 percent, to 11,444.61. But the broader Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index was off less than a point to 1,199.37. The Nasdaq index, meanwhile, was down 23.98 points, or 0.94 percent, to 2,532.41.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/06/business/daily-stock-market-activity.html?emc=na
 

SLM

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Editorial

End the Debt Limit

Published: August 4, 2011

"As this page said in 1961 — not remotely for the first time or the last — the “debt limit does not limit the debt.” It’s an illusion of a law, instituted in World War I, to persuade gullible taxpayers that Congress is exercising responsible oversight over borrowing."

"Mr. McConnell may call it a “debate,” but what his party really did was threaten the economy with catastrophe in the blind pursuit of huge spending cuts with no tax increases. He admitted that he saw the ceiling as “a hostage that’s worth ransoming.” No president or voter should tolerate that level of disregard for the national good. "

"The 14th Amendment, adopted during Reconstruction, says the validity of the public debt of the United States cannot be questioned. Threatening the economy with calamity to achieve partisan goals does just that. President Obama should use every power at his disposal to fend off Republicans’ irresponsible threats and invite them to meet him in court if they want to resist."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/opinion/end-the-debt-limit.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211


A Volatile Wall Street Ends the Day Flat

Stock indexes on Wall Street bounced around like a yo-yo on Friday, a day after they lost 4 percent of their value.

After a quick sigh of relief on better-than-expected jobs numbers at the opening, Wall Street moved lower as fears continued to hang over markets that the United States and Europe were not doing enough to counter their economic problems.

The three major Wall Street indexes were all over the map at the close, just as they were during the day. The Dow Jones industrial average was up 60.93, or 0.54 percent, to 11,444.61. But the broader Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index was off less than a point to 1,199.37. The Nasdaq index, meanwhile, was down 23.98 points, or 0.94 percent, to 2,532.41.

Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/06/business/daily-stock-market-activity.html?emc=na
It wasn't just Wall Street that had a bad day!

World stock markets dip despite positive jobs data
05/08/2011 4:53:48 PM
CTV News.ca Staff
Growing fears about debt problems in Europe sent world markets tumbling Friday, despite encouraging U.S. employment news that had the potential to lift North American markets which dropped sharply the day before.

World stock markets dip despite positive jobs data | Sympatico.ca News
 

Ocean Breeze

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:-(Rating agency Standard & Poor's says it has downgraded the U.S. credit rating to AA+ from its top rank of AAA.


well, well. the writing was on the wall for some time.

Breaking News Alert

The New York Times

Friday, August 5, 2011 -- 8:41 PM EDT

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U.S. Long-Term Debt Downgraded by Standard & Poor’s



Standard & Poor’s removed the United States government from its list of risk-free borrowers on Friday night, citing concern about the rising burden of long-term federal debt.



The ratings agency had threatened the downgrade if the government did not act to reduce the federal debt by at least $4 trillion over the next decade. Earlier this week, Congress instead passed a plan to reduce the debt by at least $2.1 trillion.



Two other ratings agencies, Moody’s and Fitch, both have said that they have no immediate plan to downgrade the country’s credit rating, giving the government more time to make progress on debt reduction. The split verdict limits the impact of the S.&P. downgrade as many consequences would only be triggered by a reduction by at least two agencies.







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http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na
 

Tonington

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Well, Rick Perry will be leading a prayer rally, I guess they have to pray even harder now.
 

JLM

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I think all the hysteria we've heard in the past few days will blow over be it a week a month or a year. Actually it's probably a blessing in disguise, as it gives the rich people and capitalists a chance to feel what it's like to be poor. For those that are smart it's a great opportunity to prosper, there's a lot of stuff at "bargain basement" prices which can be regarded the same way you regard your Safeway flyer. Just part of cycle that happens every few years & just as predictable as July follows January.
 

Tonington

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Actually it's probably a blessing in disguise, as it gives the rich people and capitalists a chance to feel what it's like to be poor.

I doubt they will feel what it's like to be poor. Maybe they have to sell one of their summer homes. Tough choice, the one in the Hamptons, or the one in Malibu? Tough choices ahead...
 

JLM

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I doubt they will feel what it's like to be poor. Maybe they have to sell one of their summer homes. Tough choice, the one in the Hamptons, or the one in Malibu? Tough choices ahead...

They won't feel the poverty but they'll feel the paranoia, people in those circles are deathly afraid of falling out of step with the "Joneses"- imagine having to spend your holidays sleeping in a tent and cooking over a campfire and reading library books! :lol:
 

Tonington

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They won't feel the poverty but they'll feel the paranoia, people in those circles are deathly afraid of falling out of step with the "Joneses"- imagine having to spend your holidays sleeping in a tent and cooking over a campfire and reading library books! :lol:

I'm sure they'll just take their money and move it into something else. Lower prices are opportunities...
 

Ocean Breeze

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Well, Rick Perry will be leading a prayer rally, I guess they have to pray even harder now.

that is all we need. some religious fanatic spewing platitudes while america burns. What ever happened to the REASON mankind was granted?? Maybe a little common sense would be refreshing. How about some logic and the use of problem solving techniques ??

all this bickering and politiking has made the bozos running the asylum lose perspective about why there are in office in the first place. Hint: it is to work for the PEOPLE......who elected them.....and NOT for the perks so many greedily enjoy.