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ironsides

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Communism is not compatible with either democracy nor capitalism and in recent times has proven itself to be rule by force, with few exceptions. Nothing free about it. It is a failed system, very much as the US republic is in danger of becoming.

Socialism as used in most of the free world presently, is about using a country's resources to improve the life of it's citizens, not for extending a country's boundaries. It is not about restricting the freedom of it's population but for augmenting it. The freedom from debt incurred through illness, unemployment, basic education and a buffer against abject poverty of the aged at the end of their lives.

Communism is totalitarian.....with all the power in the hands of the strongest, most aggressive members of a society. It dictates everything from where one lives to how many children one may have.

By the way who is Rebecca Parkington and what are her qualifications ??

Does she have to be anybody special, cannot a student write something that makes sense. Look here up if your interested in what she said.
 

bluebyrd35

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ironsides;1454559[SIZE=2 said:
Does she have to be anybody special, cannot a student write something that makes sense. Look here up if your interested in what she said. [/SIZE]

I did, which is something you apparently didn't. Furthermore, I disagree with much of what she says, because like most who view socialism as leading to communism, she has not looked at the many and varied socialistic systems that are presently in use . If she had she would have noticed that decent Democractic governments evolve a socialism that provides the basic needs for those who are actually paying the tab.

The basic democratic creed ........... no taxation without representation, and government for the people. Really bad Democracies use taxation dollars on everything but the people who provide it.
 

ironsides

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The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Breaking News Alert

The New York Times

Friday, July 22, 2011 -- 6:05 PM EDT

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House Speaker Boehner Pulls Out of Debt Ceiling Talks



The Republican House speaker, John A. Boehner, said Friday that he had broken off talks with President Obama on getting a budget deal to avert a government default.



Mr. Boehner said that Mr. Obama wanted to raise taxes too high and won’t make “fundamental changes” to benefit programs such as Medicare.



Top Republican aides said Mr. Boehner would now work with Senate leaders on an alternative aimed at averting a market-rattling, first-ever federal default.



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http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na


More temper tantrums?? Might be time for some mature and RESPONSIBLE conduct. .....and set poliltics aside in order to solve these major problems. ( gee, what a concept.)
 

tamarin

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It's doubtful the US Congress or Senate members will jeopardize the country's credit rating. Looks like a lot of drama to me. Brought to us courtesy of people who love to stay in the political limelight.
 

Ocean Breeze

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It's doubtful the US Congress or Senate members will jeopardize the country's credit rating. Looks like a lot of drama to me. Brought to us courtesy of people who love to stay in the political limelight.

assuming that the country is in as serious a situation as claims indicate.......that kind of conduct is even more irresponslbile and immature. When folks EGOS and level of political POWER over ride the problem solving that should take place in a crisis.....then the US is in a sorry state indeed. ......and in many more ways than just fiscally.

How in heck can they use proper problem solving tecniques when finger pointing and blame laying is the order of their immature day. Meanwhile the clock is ticking......
 

bluebyrd35

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The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
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Huh, who votes for a living?? There are perhaps too many Canadians coming up for retirement which will put a terrible tax burden on those who are left working for a living. A great reason for increasing the immigration rates. However, Harper, like the Republicans in the US, I would bet would like to see Medicare and pension plans that involve the participation of the government GONE. Too much like socialism and besides it cuts into the tax money he could use to put him and Canada on the world stage.
 

Ocean Breeze

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The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
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Huh, who votes for a living?? There are perhaps too many Canadians coming up for retirement which will put a terrible tax burden on those who are left working for a living. A great reason for increasing the immigration rates. However, Harper, like the Republicans in the US, I would bet would like to see Medicare and pension plans that involve the participation of the government GONE. Too much like socialism and besides it cuts into the tax money he could use to put him and Canada on the world stage.


Maybe someone should tell this US wannabe ( ?? traitor to his own country) that Canada is doing just fine as a member of the international community for now.......and being center stage as he yearns to be comes with issues he might live to regret and it is not all it is cranked up to be. Someone should also remind him that is is the leader of CANADIANS. and to work at improving Canada to its fuller potential......... But just like the repugs in the US......to him it all about the power.
 

tamarin

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Why increase immigration rates when you can just encourage current Canadians to have larger families? Unemployment is a huge problem in the country at the moment and I live in one of the hardest hit areas. Encouraging foreign workers to join the job pool when Canadians themselves are jobless seems irresponsible. Granted, there are industry reps who insist Canadians lack qualifications for many of the jobs they have open but this has been seen as a ruse by many to circumvent worker protections and labour laws and hire more cheaply from overseas.
 

damngrumpy

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Wait a minute here, too many seniors that will overwhelm the system? Give ones head
a shake. The seniors paid for the service during their working lives and I am now one of
them. The problem is Quebec was the only Province to take its share of the money and
actually invest it wisely to ensure the problems coming to the fore didn't happen there.
The rest of Canada wasted their portion on giving tax breaks to companies and the wealthy
and then using their share of the money for infrastructure (like roads and sewers) instead
of investing in the future of the programs. The time has come to pay up and the money is
gone. It is time that everyone started paying their share of the freight to run this country
and that means the rich boys who claim their is no free lunch and them demand tax hand
outs for a trickle down economy.
For those who think we are way better off than our Southern cousins, think again we are
on the doorstep of some very tough times and there will be a lot of economic pain for us
all to share. Harper saved us, ya right, wait until you see the international mess heading
for us all.
 

tamarin

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You're right. Something messy comes this way. I'm a longtime investor and I am surprised how well key markets like the DOW have weathered the economic storm reeling about the planet. Something isn't right. Given market mavens insist indices like the NYSE are forward looking and roughly anticipate the economy nine months out, it would be fair to assume much of the rough water is over. But common sense is a remarkable captain too. What's it saying?
 

bluebyrd35

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According to the stats, unemployment decreased for the past 8 months in Canada. There are certain areas that face chronic unemployment, but increasing the size of families, will not solve the problem Also encouraging larger families, doesn't work. Why contribute to world overpopulation?? Aside from these problems, how will increasing the workforce in 25 years plus down the road solve the problems facing us in the next couple of years. Immigrants arrive as ready made tax contributors.

I do not foresee the average young Canadian woman volunteering to a become breeding machine in order to save the pension plan. The immigrants that are admitted are skilled workers who's talents are already needed. Inspite of that figure in the million dollars cost yearly to settle them, Canada benefits in the BILLIONS yearly from their ideas, taxes they pay and the contributions they make to our economy and culture.
 

tamarin

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Immigrants are needed. They're important. But data on recent arrivals is certainly mixed. Are immigrants of the last wave - over the last fifteen years - doing as well as former arrivals? Are they making the expected contributions to their families and communities or is our immigration policy as currently practised beginning to break down?
 

Ocean Breeze

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We have a lot of people to feed, and maintain in a lifestyle they have become accustomed to........without acting like idiots aka breeding machines for the gov't. Hard enough now for those with families to cope.
 

bluebyrd35

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Well, living in a small town, they certainly are here. Brothers, who arrived here with their parents at about age ten are now the local pharmacists. So many English Quebecers have migrated out to other parts of Canada, immigrants have kept this region stable and most of them are trillingual. It is very difficult to hold on to prejudices when exposed to an exciting poupouri of cultures.
 

petros

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Why is the planet so deep in debt? Next time I think we should borrow from Venus or Uranus. The World Bank isn't a benefit.
 

damngrumpy

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Back in the early thirties they said the 1929 disaster was about over and it wasn't
In fact it bounced right back until 1933 then the bloody bottom fell out and took
everyone by surprise. It is coming again with a furry much more severe than the
last big one. In the Dirty Thirties only about 25% of people were directly impacted.
This time some say it could be 60 to 80% and I don't doubt it a bit. I have been
watching this thing come off the rails since early 2007 and nothing tells me its over
at all. Look at the recent round of inflation in the economy we have right now.
Something like Europe joining America in a tail spin and China is about to see its
happy little bubble burst as well.