Did the Bush Administration deceive Americans into supporting the Iraq war?

[EagleSmack]

Not the Florida voter. Bush was just supremely fortunate.

Sal was talking about Hussein. For some reason people just assume that the U.S installed Hussein as the leader of Iraq so I am anxious to hear what he has to say and see his sources.

(But yes... Bush won Florida... Gore just wanted to keep counting over and over until he got his way)

opps my bad, I think I found a sheeple...not a big surprise at all.

No please Sal. Enlighten us. Who put Hussein in power?

 

[Spade]

Sal was talking about Hussein.

Sorry, reading backwards only works for a spell.

 

[EagleSmack]

Sorry, reading backwards only works for a spell.

No biggie Spade. BTW... thanks for the cut & paste yesterday in the other thread. It came in handy for me whether you meant for it to or not.

 

[Spade]

Well, It wasn't made to order.

 

[Sal]

No please Sal. Enlighten us. Who put Hussein in power?

research is your friend...you'll find lots of links about how he created stability in the Middle East and was tied to the CIA.

 

[EagleSmack]

research is your friend...you'll find lots of links about how he created stability in the Middle East and was tied to the CIA.

Ohhhhhh... can't find anything can you?

There is nothing to research. Why research what I know to be false.

Admit it... you didn't know a thing about how Hussein came to power and just blurted it out and got caught.

 

[earth_as_one]

History will judge the Bush Administration harshly.

History will judge the American public harshly. All those dead people over what some believe was a screw up and others believe was a deliberate manipulation of public opinion to support a war crime.

Ok then...
Done. Right there in your post #39

Anything else?

Hussein was a beaten old man barely clinging to power after years of war and economic sanctions. A toothless old dog sitting on a country full of least expensive highest grade oil on the planet.

The decision to take out Hussein was probably made soon after Bush became President...

But how to manipulate the American public?????

Then 9/11 happened either fortuitously or deliberately... I have no idea, but the timing eight months after the Texacutioner became President seems mighty suspicious...

After 9/11, it was a pretty straight sprint for the Bush administration to use deception to manipulate American anger and fear into support for a war against an unpopular dictator.

Good riddance to Hussein... my concern is solely regarding the predictable humanitarian consequences.

I estimate about 1.4 million Iraqi civilians (counting malnutrition deaths), 30,000 Iraqi soldiers and 40,000 insurgents since 1998 when Iraq no longer possessed WMDs.

Sure Hussein was responsible for more Iraqi deaths than President George Bush. But Hussein had been slaughtering Iraqis most of his life. Bush only slaughtered Iraqis from 2003-2008.

 

[Sal]

Ohhhhhh... can't find anything can you?

There is nothing to research. Why research what I know to be false.

Admit it... you didn't know a thing about how Hussein came to power and just blurted it out and got caught.

*sigh* I do believe that YOU believe there is nothing to research. As you have stated: you know it to be false.

And I accept that you believe that without any hesitation at all.

 

[darkbeaver]

*sigh* I do believe that YOU believe there is nothing to research. As you have stated: you know it to be false.

And I accept that you believe that without any hesitation at all.

He also knows there is no economic meltdown in the US.

 

[Spade]

*sigh* I do believe that YOU believe there is nothing to research. As you have stated: you know it to be false.

And I accept that you believe that without any hesitation at all.

Don't blame him, Sal; he's just following orders.

 

[JLM]

I estimate about 1.4 million Iraqi civilians (counting malnutrition deaths), 30,000 Iraqi soldiers and 40,000 insurgents since 1998 when Iraq no longer possessed WMDs.

Sure Hussein was responsible for more Iraqi deaths than President George Bush. But Hussein had been slaughtering Iraqis most of his life. Bush only slaughtered Iraqis from 2003-2008.

B.F.D. and Paul Bernardo is no longer a child molester!

 

[darkbeaver]

Bush molested more children in the first seconds of economic hostilities than Bernardo could even imagine. He starved them he poisoned them and he destroyed their water and their power their schools their past and their future for the forseeable. And he is today a much sought after guest speaker. Of course some people don't care who they listen to if they have the right creds.

 

[gopher]

I think Bush believed what he said. It just turned out to be false. Either way, one less fascist regime around. Thats a plus. Who knows if it'll last though.

"one less fascist regime" but you also have a civil war that is killing many people and there is no end in sight

 

[Nuggler]

Knowing history and rehashing old battles are two completely different things.

Yah, I know. I forgot to put the smiley thingy..................:smile:

 

[lone wolf]

1) The burden of proof must always be on the accuser to prove guilt, not the accused to prove innocent. But the propaganda of the time led people to believe that absence of evidence proved Iraq had a WMD program and was hiding it.

2) I trusted the UN weapon inspectors and they found exactly what Iraq said they would find... nothing.

I don't think anyone trusted Hussein.

Hussein wasn't the most co-operative with UN inspectors. That, alone, speaks of something to hide to those with something to find. Just knowing he'd already gassed fellow countrymen would be enough to doubt his sincerity.

 

[JLM]

Hussein wasn't the most co-operative with UN inspectors. That, alone, speaks of something to hide to those with something to find. Just knowing he'd already gassed fellow countrymen would be enough to doubt his sincerity.

Yeah, there's no doubt Hussein was a f**king a$$hole and his sons were almost as bad. It's kind of like "water under the bridge" discussing this now. I know the night the war started there was no complaining, so best just let "sleeping dogs lie".

 

[petros]

The real question; Who won?

 

[JLM]

The real question; Who won?

If anyone, I suppose the citizens of Iraq, but you'd have to ask them.

 

[petros]

If anyone, I suppose the citizens of Iraq, but you'd have to ask them.

Being left with a civil war and a flattened country is good for Iraqi people? How?

 

[JLM]

Being left with a civil war and a flattened country is good for Iraqi people? How?

Good is probably not the operative word. Better from what I can gather from a handful of Iraqis I've heard expound on it. Not the fear of a brutal dictator who up until his defeat had been murdering 30,000 citizens annually. More of a democratic voting system now. I doubt very much if Iraq is any more flattened than Britain and France were after WWII.

I was listening to an account of WWII on the radio the other night and I doubt if any country in the world has even been as flattened as Poland was! There was virtually nothing left of Warsaw.