Chrétien, Broadbent brokering possible coalition: reports

[taxslave]

My understanding is that Bloc won’t be part of the coalition, but will support the Lib-NDP government on an issue by issue bases. Bloc will certainly support the stimulus package; all the opposition parties seem to want that.

Then Bloc will support the government as and if it sees fit, basically Bloc is a party of the left and is expected to agree with the government on many issues. Besides, any bill except an economic bill is not a confidence vote, so even if the government is defeated, that won’t trigger an election.

If the coalition is formed, the first big test will be the budget. No doubt the coalition will pass some sort of stimulus package. Then can it form a common ground with the Bloc on the budget? If it can, it will stay in power for at least one year, until the 2010 budget.

It will also depend upon who leads the coalition. Somebody like Paul Martin, who has the national stature and a proven record of fixing the economic mess left by Mulroney, will probably last longer than somebody else.

Sir Joe: I would vote Liberal next week if Martin came back as leader. I don't see a Lib/NDP coalition working for more than a few weeks, possibly long enough to create a hugh deficit as both currently seem bent on buying votes with our own money. The Libs are broke and rudderless and the Dippers being Dippers will max out the government credit card on frivolous social tinkering without ever addressing the problem.

 

[pgs]

I understand PM is actively involved in education programs with aborigional
peoples and on the african continent.The last i heard him talk he seemed quite content in retirement,and reentering the political fray was the farthest thing from his mind.But times do have a way of changing,so you never know.
i would still be surprised to see Mr.Martin return to the ring though.

 

[mit]

Harper can still save his government - He has to back off the per vote funding cuts and offer a mini stimulus package equivelant to the cost of another election ($400 million) That way he can say that he changed the proposed cut backs to avoid the costs of an election and will spend the savings on taxpayers.

 

[Risus]

My understanding is that Bloc won’t be part of the coalition, but will support the Lib-NDP government on an issue by issue bases. Bloc will certainly support the stimulus package; all the opposition parties seem to want that.

Then Bloc will support the government as and if it sees fit, basically Bloc is a party of the left and is expected to agree with the government on many issues. Besides, any bill except an economic bill is not a confidence vote, so even if the government is defeated, that won’t trigger an election.

If the coalition is formed, the first big test will be the budget. No doubt the coalition will pass some sort of stimulus package. Then can it form a common ground with the Bloc on the budget? If it can, it will stay in power for at least one year, until the 2010 budget.

It will also depend upon who leads the coalition. Somebody like Paul Martin, who has the national stature and a proven record of fixing the economic mess left by Mulroney, will probably last longer than somebody else.

Two political has beens, mutt and jeff in bed with separatists. Should be interesting... I feel sorry for Canada.

 

[pgs]

:roll:I hope any stimulus contains tax breaks for consumers as well as buisiness.
as if that will happen:lol:

Good Day all I am new here so i may be lost :?:

 

[Ron in Regina]

:roll:I hope any stimulus contains tax breaks for consumers as well as buisiness.
as if that will happen:lol:

Good Day all I am new here so i may be lost :?:

Welcome pgs!!! Things have changed on the site overnight so we're all a little lost here today. Glad to have you here!

 

[mit]

What Harper and Mr Flatulence should do is to look for ways they can save consumers money without affecting government income.

A review of interest charges - system access fees and insurance costs would be a good place to start.
A mandate to the Employment Insurance folks that people who are laid off will get cheques within 4 weeks not 8 to 10 like it is now and that they (EI) will use the current resources that they have (Not hire a bunch more people or invest in new custom software)
Harper can chop the gun registry - $80 million they will not have to spend.
Harper can open up the online training system that Federal Public Servants can access for Free to the general public so that the unemployed and underemployed can upgrade their education without breaking their piggy bank to do so.
Harper can also ease up on some of the regulations regarding fuel sources for energy - Their is a crisis in the recycling industry right now where nobody wants recyclables - Municipalities are choking in their blue boxes as their income falls and landfills are filling up. Energy from waste is much better than burying it in the ground. And it provides jobs - heat and electricty - Sounds like a no-brainer to me.
As far as the Big 3 goes perhaps instead of selling crown assets during a recession the gov can look at buying some of the Big 3's assets - They have some pretty prime real estate and logistics centers that could be used for alternate businesses if the auto part fails.

 

[pgs]

i wish our government leaders would use some of that common sense you show MIT

 

[lone wolf]

What did they do?????

Try to pull the lips of the left off the public teat?

Perhaps you should simply send them a cheque.

I'm boody tired of my money going to support the Separatist Party, the Naturally Demented Party, and those other guys.....if I want a political party to have success. I'll write them a cheque.....and have, often.

Why should I support your party?

The subsidy is only a part of the problem ... and the one you Cons have chosen to make an issue. Personally, I don't care for subsidy either. If Harper would get over his pout, he may even find backing down might even win him a bit of respect.

 

[VanIsle]

Hi mit,
At least you are consistant in your thinking! Time for you to run for gov't. Cliffy never did tell us how he made out. How about it Cliff.

 

[JLM]

If Liberals and NDP do end up forming a coalition government, my hope would be that they bring back Paul Martin as the PM. Rightly or wrongly (in my opinion, wrongly), many people don’t have any confidence in Dion as the PM.

I think Paul Martin would be just right of the job, assuming he wants to take it.

I agree, but a bigger issue just came to light on the news tonight. Before I watched the news I thought Layton and Dion were a pair of real worms, but then I learned Harper reneged on his promise to quit funding political parties at taxpayers' expense, so I see he has no backbone either. It just gets so disheartening- but at the same time just goes to prove my contention regarding the total lack of ANYTHING decent pertaining to all politicians. So now I'm thinking Martin looks good.

 

[JLM]

Hi mit,
At least you are consistant in your thinking! Time for you to run for gov't. Cliffy never did tell us how he made out. How about it Cliff.

Is that you VanIsle2? What's Alex doing tonight?

 

[damngrumpy]

Time for the Tories to Go

At last the opposition has its act together, it is time for the Conservatives to go and the sooner the better. This is how things are done in the real world. The elder statesmen in the party broker the deal, and bring the constitutional hammer down, on the clowns. Harper believed he could do whatever he wanted but he is out numbered by the opposition. Back in the 1920's it happend before and the government changed without an election. This action is as democratic as parliament itself, after all the combined opposition received more votes than the
Conservatives, they have united and carved up the political landscape. I wouldn't be surprised if they called a point of order, and introduced a nonconfidence motion as early as Monday. Harper, is all but finished and the conservative dream will likely go with him. This bunch was nothing more than Reform wolves in sheeps clothing anyway, and like the locust, they decend upon Ottawa every fifty years and then slip away onto the benches of the opposition where they belong.
Maybe the political left can finally merge into the dominant political force it has always been. The conservatives need treatment for the shock they just received and it looks good on them, Goodbye Mr Harper.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Two political has beens, mutt and jeff in bed with separatists. Should be interesting... I feel sorry for Canada.

You can always move...

Don't worry...we'll still let you post here...:smile:

 

[Socrates the Greek]

What did they do?????

Try to pull the lips of the left off the public teat?

Perhaps you should simply send them a cheque.

I'm boody tired of my money going to support the Separatist Party, the Naturally Demented Party, and those other guys.....if I want a political party to have success. I'll write them a cheque.....and have, often.

Why should I support your party?

But if the Grits were in power and did that very same thing to them you would scream not fair,
Look the Harper Cons are pulling all the stops in some how creating a self made majority in the house, starve the opposition to the point of bankruptcy and we will easily sail to victory, from that, to the 2006 elections Canada allegation of over spending to gain superiority, pulling snick stops to acquire power. Harper said today they want power (meaning the 3 parties that hold the balance of power)with out earning it.... What did the Cons do of any significance, not carrots on the stick and phony elusive politics, 25 months have gone by and that is why he ended with a minority because his report card for 2008 was not the greatest a C -. So Colpy the Harper bunch do not deserve sussex dr.

 

[scratch]

....and they will not be there much longer...

 

[lone wolf]

....and they will not be there much longer...

Who is "they"? "They" will always be the ones who pull the strings ... under any political string you can think of. "They" will always be the ones who change the rules to their advantage. It is money who really moves the madness. Government and law are illusions created to con the common man into believing in justice and the fairness of it all. They (Harper and cronies) may not be there much longer. Another figurehead will take his place and do all the same things all over again ... and the conned Cons will get to cry "Not fair!" It never is unless you are one of "them".

 

[scratch]

Point taken.
Understood.

regards,
scratch

 

[pgs]

I really can't see this coalition working,
so i believe that no change is imminent.

My opinion only.

 

[L Gilbert]

.........At first I thought a conservative government would be a nice change from the Liberals, unfortunatly now I am seeing that they're even worse and more corrupt..... good thing I never voted for either party or I might actually have some guilt about the current situation.

Explain how the Cons are more corrupt than the Glibs were, please.