9-11-ten yrs Later

Ocean Breeze

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captain morgan said:
Aren't the various terrorist groups hanging onto grudges that are hundreds of years old as justification for their crimes?

Don't the Americans deserve that same opportunity?
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well they are obviously taking it. But when one considers the fact that america is supposed to be a progressive. / advanced nation with a growing understanding of psychology , why would it resort to copying the behavior of the people they consider backwards??

america owes it to itself to handle this anniversary in the most sophisticated , yet dignified way it can. It also owes it to all that lost their lives to stop perpetuating that victim role and abusing it via sensationalism.

More to the point....... what value is there in holding grudges?? Not working too well for those that do ,is it?? They have become pariahs on the planet.
 
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Ocean Breeze said:
well they are obviously taking it. But when one considers the fact that america is supposed to be a progressive. / advanced nation with a growing understanding of psychology , why would it resort to copying the behavior of the people they consider backwards??

america owes it to itself to handle this anniversary in the most sophisticated , yet dignified way it can. It also owes it to all that lost their lives to stop perpetuating that victim role and abusing it via sensationalism.

More to the point....... what value is there in holding grudges?? Not working too well for those that do ,is it?? They have become pariahs on the planet.
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They have become pariahs only in the minds of some...........the deluded.

And that is a definite minority.

When someone attacks you, causing serious harm, there is only one sane response.

Hurt them...........badly.
 
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Ocean Breeze said:
well they are obviously taking it. But when one considers the fact that america is supposed to be a progressive. / advanced nation with a growing understanding of psychology , why would it resort to copying the behavior of the people they consider backwards??
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Being a 'progressive/advanced nation' with a more (clinical) understanding of psychology does not preclude them from demanding justice, holding the perpetrators to account or even revenge.

In the end, people are people and I find it nothing short of miraculous that the USA didn't decimate these groups via a wholesale slaughter.

Ocean Breeze said:
It also owes it to all that lost their lives to stop perpetuating that victim role and abusing it via sensationalism.
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America was victimized - there are no 2 ways about it.

The question relates to the degree and severity of the retribution... Again, this is human nature we are talking about and when it comes down to it, that trait transcends all races, cultures, belief systems or ideologies.

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More to the point....... what value is there in holding grudges?? Not working too well for those that do ,is it?? They have become pariahs on the planet.
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Holding grudges isn't working well for anyone, however, that rings especially louder for those that lost a friend or family member in the attacks of 9/11.
 
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Colpy said:
When someone attacks you, causing serious harm, there is only one sane response.

Hurt them...........badly.
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Agreed, hurt the ones responsible. Unfortunately, more than just the ones responsible have been hurt, and "collateral damage" just doesn't cut it. If it did, then the 3000 dead on 9/11 were "collateral damage" to the attack against the icons of american finance, military, and government. They just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.:roll:

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Being a 'progressive/advanced nation' with a more (clinical) understanding of psychology does not preclude them from demanding justice, holding the perpetrators to account or even revenge.

In the end, people are people and I find it nothing short of miraculous that the USA didn't decimate these groups via a wholesale slaughter.
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Really, how many innocents have been killed in the name of the "war on terror"? You don't consider that a slaughter? Exactly how many dead would you consider a slaughter?
 
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How Scared of Terrorism Should You Be?

Not very. You are four times more likely to be killed by a lightning bolt than by a terror attack.

By Ronald Bailey

How Scared of Terrorism Should You Be?   :  Information Clearing House News


FINALLY,,,,,,,,,,some REASON and common sense. !!!!!

In view of the above.......... why do gov't continue to promote terrorism with their fear tactics and constant reminders?? Answer is obvious.........They have other agendas in the works that have nothing to do with "terrorism" but using terrorism as an excuse fascillitates the passing of said agenda.

Not only is the above realistic ........but it puts things in perspective and confirms that no war on terrorism will ever be "won". Oh , they might occupy a few countries for their benefit , and make all kinds of claims..... but terrorism is as old as the humanoid and the possibility has been and will always be there. Fact of life. To dramatize it .....just makes those prone into such acts , more likely to consider them .

but civility dictates that perpetual wars in response to such criminal acts is overklll and we have the evidence from the past 10 yrs. to demonstrate that.
 
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Was There an Alternative?
Looking Back on 9/11 a Decade Later
By Noam Chomsky
Tomgram: Noam Chomsky, The Imperial Mentality and 9/11 | TomDispatch
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excellent article. and yes........there was always an "alternative". But the "alternative" would not have served the USG as well as the route it took.

the entire premise of warring on terrorism was wrong from the start. One cannot war on an ideology. It is a lose lose premise from the start.........UNLESS of course other agenda's are part of it......and then the motives are not what they are claimed.
 
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Not so sure that high unemployment, low confidence and bankers knocked from their pedestals has served the USG well at all....
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Probably not. But its expansion and occupying regions in the ME (oil rich ) has. The tragic thing is that the american PEOPLE just keep paying in one way or another for it's gov't lust for more power and control on the planet. Yet they willingly go along with each new "intervention' on the grounds of "national security".

What is amazing is that the fearmongering has not brought the population into a kind of "psychological paralysis."
 
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At 4:00 min he says this thermate is rare and hard to produce and goverments limite the quantity you can perchase of this specific stuff.

Your debunk just talk about natural ingredients you and me could use to make thermite.
What hes finding is something hard to produce.
 
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Angstrom said:
At 4:00 min he says this thermate is rare and hard to produce and goverments limite the quantity you can perchase of this specific stuff.

Your debunk just talk about natural ingredients you and me could use to make thermite.
What hes finding is something hard to produce.
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Use spell check - Any explosive is easy to attain.
 
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Angstrom said:
Thanks. I appriciate it.


And I'll even admit my coments your talking about where not very good. I've tryed hard to look into it and inform myself better.
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The thing about Truthers... you dismiss all evidence that does not fit your conclusion.
 
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