9-11-ten yrs Later

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Yeah it was an act of war, a war started by America.

Ya,Those Brutes!

Gordon Sinclair
Radio Station CFBR 1010
2 St. Clair Avenue West
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
"LET'S BE PERSONAL"
Broadcast June 5, 1973
CFRB, Toronto, Ontario
Topic: "The Americans"

The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.
As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.
They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.
The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.
I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.
Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.
When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.
Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.
I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.
This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over… has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.
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(c) 1973 BY GORDON SINCLAIR
 

SLM

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Not really.

Same message, different players.

Of course it is. Can't have an us unless we have a them.

The 9/11 commemorative coin was out weeks after the towers fell, we now have 9/11 wine, so why not a colouring book for the kids.

I think a parent that would give this to their kids is likely already sending messages to them.
 

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Of course it is. Can't have an us unless we have a them.
Yep, the story of mans tribal conflicts.

The 9/11 commemorative coin was out weeks after the towers fell, we now have 9/11 wine, so why not a colouring book for the kids.
We can't leave the kids out, that would be age discrimination.

I think a parent that would give this to their kids is likely already sending messages to them.
Or not paying attention to what they're feeding their child's mind.
 

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Something different in the "10th anniversary news extravaganza" that I ran across this morning. Not sure if it deserves it's own thread or not, but here it is.

9/11 Coloring Book Draws Criticism for Portrayal of Muslims - ABC News

Jesus H Christ!

That ranks right up there with Saudi Anti-Israel puppets shows.

Mhmm, fits in the "Just when you thought you've seen it all along comes..." category.

Nah, some will like it some will be offended!

When does the Mein Kampf colouring book come out?

It sure does.

Not really.

Same message, different players.

Hurdles to "progressive" ideologies, are the enemy.

Yeah, I've heard this one debated in a couple of places.

Personally, I don't see a damn thing wrong with it.

I have not seen the book, but I noticed one thing about the debate:

No one has accused the publisher of telling any falsehoods.....it is simply the unvarnished truth. Or one would think the critics would be emphatically pointing out the lies.

No lies.....no case.
 

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No one has accused the publisher of telling any falsehoods.....it is simply the unvarnished truth. Or one would think the critics would be emphatically pointing out the lies.

No lies.....no case.
It's propaganda aimed at kids Colpy.

Just as biased and misleading as the old imagery plastered on 6 shooter cap gun packaging. Of Cowboys in white hats, casing down "Injins".

I remember it clearly.

It sends the wrong message IMHO.

I won't support censoring the publishers work.

But I wouldn't support the publisher by purchasing his ideology filled propaganda piece.
 

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Really? I thought it was the same crusade war that's been plaguing humanity since the beginning of known time.

Really?

And here I thought the Crusades only lasted some 200 years.....from 1095 to 1291.........hardly "the beginning of known time"......:)

The Crusades (1095–1291) | Thematic Essay | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

Yes! that war.

How about comparing that with the expansionist wars of Islam????

The First Jihad: 622 AD to 750 AD

Muhammad: The Jihad Begins

The Second Jihad: 1071 AD to 1683 AD

WMD - The Second Major Wave of Jihad: the Turks, 1071-1683 AD - Islam 101 - The WMD Library

The Third Jihad: 1979 AD to..............
 

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Yeah, I've heard this one debated in a couple of places.

Personally, I don't see a damn thing wrong with it.

I have not seen the book, but I noticed one thing about the debate:

No one has accused the publisher of telling any falsehoods.....it is simply the unvarnished truth. Or one would think the critics would be emphatically pointing out the lies.

No lies.....no case.

What about the appropriateness of the material for children of colouring book age? My kids lost interest in colouring books at around the age of 7. So we're predominantly talking about the pre-school set here. So we should endorse a book of images like the twin towers burning, people in mourning, and a navy seal taking aim at OBL's head aimed at very young children?

Well, they did slap a PG rating on it, so I guess that covers it.

The right to publish material, or any type of expression of thought, is something I will not argue against. But just because someone has the right to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do.
 

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But just because someone has the right to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do.
This is where I get squeamish.

That's self censorship, and it's usually achieved through subtle and not so subtle forms of coercion.

The Preacher that burned the Quran in Florida, had every right to burn them, as a form of nonviolent expression.

Should he have burned them?

Yes and no.

Yes, because it is the exercising of Constitutional rights. And if you don't exercise something, it gets weak.

No, because it has been shown time and time again, Muslims react violently to such forms of offense.

Which is why I side with burning them, 100%.

If he didn't because of the latter form of self censorship. Due to the foreknowledge of violent reaction. It's coercion.

We as a society lose.

It's the same as when the left leaning bitch about the erosion of rights and freedoms, because of 9/11.
 
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What about the appropriateness of the material for children of colouring book age? My kids lost interest in colouring books at around the age of 7. So we're predominantly talking about the pre-school set here. So we should endorse a book of images like the twin towers burning, people in mourning, and a navy seal taking aim at OBL's head aimed at very young children?

Well, they did slap a PG rating on it, so I guess that covers it.

The right to publish material, or any type of expression of thought, is something I will not argue against. But just because someone has the right to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do.

Yeah.....and you have a point. Although the publisher claims the book is aimed at older kids............seven to ten range.
 

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This is where I get squeamish.

That's self censorship, and it's usually achieved through subtle and not so subtle forms of coercion.

The Preacher that burned the Quran in Florida, had every right to burn them, as a form of nonviolent expression.

Should he have burned them?

Yes and no.

Yes, because it is the exercising of Constitutional rights. And if you don't exercise something, it gets weak.

No, because it has been shown time and time again, Muslims react violently to such forms of offense.

Which is why I side with burning them, 100%.

If he didn't because of the latter form of self censorship. Due to the foreknowledge of violent reaction. Coercion.

We as a society lose.

It the same as when the left leaning bitch about the erosion of rights and freedoms, because of 9/11.

Absolutely, I get what you're saying completely.

The right of self expression is a principal, a basic foundation for how we frame society or even our individual lives. Something being morally or ethically right is a personal assessment. I can support the rights inherent in the principal whilst still condeming the contents based on my own ethics. It can be tricky to be sure. Principals, I truly believe, should test us.

To use the Phelps example, I will never, ever state that he should not have burned the Qu'ran. He had every right to do so as a means of self expression. I do not personally believe that the choice of expression was ethically the way to go. I think it's my responsibility as a member of society to state both.

It's not an easy thing. I really do try to think these issues over and see them from different points of view. It's a balance between pure logic and emotions. We're not fully human if we don't try to encompass both.
 

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Reinvestigate 9/11

above is an interesting assortment of topics that question the "official" story and present more thought provoking questions.

Far too many things don't add up.

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given the wall to wall media coverage of the event's 10 passing. One has to wonder why so much emphasis is placed on opening wounds that were healing. Is there no dignity ??

Compared to the numbers slaughted by the USG since then........the number of americans / and OTHERS ...killed that day , pales in comparison.

Even today..........9-11 is a powerful fear tactic and continues to be used that way. A constant reminder that this "war on terrorism" is going to be an ongoing policy with no end in sight......but even more parts of the world being targetted for political gain and USG influence

BTW what the heck happened to that silly color coded alert system??? How much money was spent on designing that piece of fear mongering.

Out of respect for ALL that have died , not only on 9-11 but in the many american "wars"