Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Ocean Breeze]

As far as I know Gun ownership is a right anywhere in Canada as long as you haven't done something to forfeit that right, which would likely be confined to breaking a law, or be of unsound mind. There is nothing magic about guns, they have definite purposes and are perfectly safe if properly used following the manufacturer's instructions and common sense.




If you are going to post anything at all post something sensible. If you are given a choice it's a right.

A LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL right?? Please explain the legal and constitutional rights of gun ownership in CDA?/ Or provide a link to the info. Thanks. Hand guns in articular
Perhaps those applying for a gun (for whatever reason) should spend some time in emergency
observing the type and number of " accidental gun injuries that come in. . What one sees on TV is the extreme situations. (and there are plenty of those) A visit to the morgue should be another pare requisite before being allowed to purchase and own a gun. In both situations the applicant should be told the story of how it happened and how some still "justify" mass gun ownership.TV does not do justice to the reality f of gun injuries ("accidents".........let alone those with intention.

 

[pgs]

A LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL right?? Please explain the legal and constitutional rights of gun ownership in CDA?/ Or provide a link to the info. Thanks. Hand guns in articular
Perhaps those applying for a gun (for whatever reason) should spend some time in emergency
observing the type and number of " accidental gun injuries that come in. . What one sees on TV is the extreme situations. (and there are plenty of those) A visit to the morgue should be another pare requisite before being allowed to purchase and own a gun. In both situations the applicant should be told the story of how it happened and how some still "justify" mass gun ownership.TV does not do justice to the reality f of gun injuries ("accidents".........let alone those with intention.

How many trips to the emergency ward will it take until one sees these injuries coming in ? Do they have to go every night until one happens ?

 

[DaSleeper]

I don't hunt anymore.....two tags per moose...Baaah!!
But next year I will dish out my $80. for a PAL.....for another five years of gun ownership.....

Why?????

Because I can!!!

 

[Colpy]

Bullshit.

I compared the states and the provinces because they share the same population levels, they are separated by a simple line in the sand (the border), and the US states have very lax laws."

You compared what you compared because you thought it supported your opinion - which is all this is about.

An opinion of yours.

Then how about you quit shooting your mouth off with no backup or substance and debate the point?

As well, why don't you find a comparable situation where comparable Canada/US populations exist over a large common geographical area in which US gun laws are particularly lax??

Because you can't. Because there isn't one.

Criticism is easy.

Construction of an actual argument is a little more difficult.

I suggest you either tackle the subject, or STFU.

A LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL right?? Please explain the legal and constitutional rights of gun ownership in CDA?/ Or provide a link to the info. Thanks. .

The English Bill of Rights of 1689, part of our Constitutional tradition under English Common Law

And thereupon the said Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons, pursuant to their respective letters and elections, being now assembled in a full and free representative of this nation, taking into their most serious consideration the best means for attaining the ends aforesaid, do in the first place (as their ancestors in like case have usually done) for the vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties declare.................That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law.

(All rights restricted to Protestants were extended to Catholics in the early 19th century)

Avalon Project - English Bill of Rights 1689

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Section 26

The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed as denying the existence of any other rights or freedoms that exist in Canada.

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Section_26_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

Maybe in S. Alberta. But we are not anywhere near as aggressive or arrogant or believe that owning a gun is our "RIGHT". If folks own guns here , the reasons are not "because it is our RIGHT " Depending on what part of Canda one lives in...... the gun usage is unique to the region. For eg Surrey BC and its stupid gangs......well self explanatory. Northern Canada gun usage is different .

Gun ownership here is a choice NOT A RIGHT. A very different basic premise.It might be a necessity , but not a RIGHT

I live in New Brunswick.

And yes, keeping weapons for defense is a right, one denied us by our "betters".

 

[Hoid]

Then how about you quit shooting your mouth off with no backup or substance and debate the point?

As well, why don't you find a comparable situation where comparable Canada/US populations exist over a large common geographical area in which US gun laws are particularly lax??

Because you can't. Because there isn't one.

Criticism is easy.

Construction of an actual argument is a little more difficult.

I suggest you either tackle the subject, or STFU.

70% of shootings in Toronto are committed with illegal guns brought in from America.

Rather than construct an argument I am quite content to simply present the facts which are all reasonable people need to make up their minds - I will leave the opinion making up to you.

US murder rates are driven by violent inner cities, not the availability of guns.

The funniest part is that you construct your entire argument comparing places in Canada with violent cities to places in America without violent cities.

Then you say the only difference is the gun laws.

Wouldn't the extreme violence in Winnipeg/Saskatoon/Regina/Edmonton sort of skew your data?

Of course it would - and that's why you chose the comparison you chose.

 

[JLM]

We need to arm the general populace to prevent crypto-terrorist organizations like the NRA from entering our peaceful country.

How are the N.R.A. detrimental?

 

[JamesBondo]

How are the N.R.A. detrimental?

I don't think he knows but he will be happy to consult Motherearth for you.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Then how about you quit shooting your mouth off with no backup or substance and debate the point?

As well, why don't you find a comparable situation where comparable Canada/US populations exist over a large common geographical area in which US gun laws are particularly lax??

Because you can't. Because there isn't one.

Criticism is easy.

Construction of an actual argument is a little more difficult.

I suggest you either tackle the subject, or STFU.




The English Bill of Rights of 1689, part of our Constitutional tradition under English Common Law

And thereupon the said Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons, pursuant to their respective letters and elections, being now assembled in a full and free representative of this nation, taking into their most serious consideration the best means for attaining the ends aforesaid, do in the first place (as their ancestors in like case have usually done) for the vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties declare.................That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law.

(All rights restricted to Protestants were extended to Catholics in the early 19th century)

Avalon Project - English Bill of Rights 1689

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Section 26

The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed as denying the existence of any other rights or freedoms that exist in Canada.

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Section_26_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms



I live in New Brunswick.

And yes, keeping weapons for defense is a right, one denied us by our "betters".

Is gun ownership a legal right in Canada? - Politics - CBC News

It is not a legal right but a privilege. A privilege that is subject to governmental laws.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Is gun ownership a legal right in Canada? - Politics - CBC News

It is not a legal right but a privilege. A privilege that is subject to governmental laws.

THANK YOU!!! Yes........a PRIVILEGE that carries a great deal of responsibility.Seems that gun people would like it to be a "right"....in CDA. But all one has to do is look south to see how well that is working for them. One irresponsible shooting incident is too many. ONE "accident " is too many. "justifiable "homicide is still HOMICIDE. Killing animals for sport......is highly questionable as it is NOT necessary...... and has the flavor of barbarism. (that should get "hunters" stirred up. ;-) but we all have our own views on the issue. ;-)

 

[JLM]

THANK YOU!!! Yes........a PRIVILEGE that carries a great deal of responsibility.Seems that gun people would like it to be a "right"....in CDA. But all one has to do is look south to see how well that is working for them. One irresponsible shooting incident is too many. ONE "accident " is too many. "justifiable "homicide is still HOMICIDE. Killing animals for sport......is highly questionable as it is NOT necessary...... and has the flavor of barbarism. (that should get "hunters" stirred up. ;-) but we all have our own views on the issue. ;-)

I think any sane person hates killing for the sake of killing. I maintain that ALL meat killed must be eaten and if a person doesn't care for wild game himself, there's lots of hospitals and jails that can make good use of it, not to mention homeless people.

 

[Bar Sinister]

The English Bill of Rights of 1689, part of our Constitutional tradition under English Common Law

And thereupon the said Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons, pursuant to their respective letters and elections, being now assembled in a full and free representative of this nation, taking into their most serious consideration the best means for attaining the ends aforesaid, do in the first place (as their ancestors in like case have usually done) for the vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties declare.................That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law.

(All rights restricted to Protestants were extended to Catholics in the early 19th century)

Avalon Project - English Bill of Rights 1689

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Section 26

The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed as denying the existence of any other rights or freedoms that exist in Canada.

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Section_26_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

Nice try, Colpy, but most Canadians are not stupid enough to go down the road the Americans have chosen, not when we have daily reminders from the US of why that is not a good idea. BTW there are a large number or laws that were originally in English Common Law that we now ignore. Times change and implementation of traditional laws change with them. Hell, even the Brits don't draw and quarter anyone anymore.

 

[Hoid]

I think any sane person hates killing for the sake of killing. I maintain that ALL meat killed must be eaten and if a person doesn't care for wild game himself, there's lots of hospitals and jails that can make good use of it, not to mention homeless people.

Its almost impossible to gift wild meat. Most jurisdictions require the meat to be inspected and certified.

I used to belong to a golf course that was plagued with deer and we could not shoot them and give it to the needy. It was a shame.

 

[Colpy]

Nice try, Colpy, but most Canadians are not stupid enough to go down the road the Americans have chosen, not when we have daily reminders from the US of why that is not a good idea. BTW there are a large number or laws that were originally in English Common Law that we now ignore. Times change and implementation of traditional laws change with them. Hell, even the Brits don't draw and quarter anyone anymore.

Okay.

As for rights, the state can only deny your rights, it does not create them. Clearly, to anyone that knows anything about human history, the right to self-defense and the means to same is paramount, and has existed since we crawled out of the trees. To anyone that can read, that right exists throughout English common law. Unfortunately, the turdheads that make up the SCC can't read.

If your case is that the availability of guns are what causes murder, explain the following:

1. 13% of the US population is African-American. They commit slightly over 50% of the murders. How does that work?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43

2. The USA has the highest level of gun ownership by far, but a murder rate well below the international average. In fact, the USA ranks mid-point in the hierarchy of murderous countries. (Rates per 100,000 World Average 6.2, USA 4.9)

3. Indeed, if you compare the list of countries by homicide rate, and the list of countries by gun ownership, you will find that there is no easy correlation, and if there is a correlation, it is a negative one.

Voila:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Explain.

4. In the last 25 years, the United States has eased gun laws to the point where well over 40 states must issue a permit to carry a handgun concealed to any citizen that passes a background check, and takes a basic course. In the same time, the assault weapons ban has died, and gun sales have reached record highs.

And the murder rate has fallen. Radically.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/homicide-rate-1950-2014

Explain.

Once again, I suggest that you back yourself up with more than touchy-feely BS if you want to be taken seriously.

Address the issue.

 

[Hoid]

4. In the last 25 years, the United States has eased gun laws to the point where well over 40 states must issue a permit to carry a handgun concealed to any citizen that passes a background check, and takes a basic course. In the same time, the assault weapons ban has died, and gun sales have reached record highs.

And the murder rate has fallen. Radically.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/homicide-rate-1950-2014

Explain.

Once again, I suggest that you back yourself up with more than touchy-feely BS if you want to be taken seriously.

Address the issue.

This is untrue and the nra will tell you the same thing. Since 1993 and the Brady Act America has been subjected to more gun control that ever before and crime rates have consistently fallen just as they have everywhere else gun control measures have been enacted including here.

As Homer Simpson remarked - "7 days?!?! - but I'm mad now!"

 

[Danbones]

He also said: if gawd didn't want us to shoot and eat animals
then why did he make them out of meat?

The Kennessa georgia story says it all: the only real gun law you need

is the one that says everyone should have one

The people who want to take all the guns away are the same ones that cheered when Pol Pot shot all the recently unarmed Cambodians who wore glasses

the auntie gun bunch HATE smart people

 

[darkbeaver]

Gun control is not completely useless.

 

[JLM]

Gun control is not completely useless.

Just about! Do criminals and lunatics abide by gun laws?

 

[Hoid]

Just about! Do criminals and lunatics abide by gun laws?

Do they abide traffic laws?

Speed limits must also be useless I guess.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I think any sane person hates killing for the sake of killing. I maintain that ALL meat killed must be eaten and if a person doesn't care for wild game himself, there's lots of hospitals and jails that can make good use of it, not to mention homeless people.

So WHY KILL at all?? No one needs to kill for food unless one lives in some primitive part of the world.
BUT, you seem to be a responsible gun user .

 

[Murphy]

So WHY KILL at all?? No one needs to kill for food unless one lives in some primitive part of the world.
BUT, you seem to be a responsible gun user .

Are you a vegan?