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Walter

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the Locutus linked reference is with respect to Arctic sea-ice extent. And of course, you simply accepted it, lock-step! As I said Walter, do you ever, ever, ever, check anything out yourself?
You are wrong, much as it pains me to say it, but Loc's link goes directly to an article describing Global sea ice extent. Petros really has you twitterpated doesn't he.
 

waldo

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You are wrong, much as it pains me to say it, but Loc's link goes directly to an article describing Global sea ice extent. Petros really has you twitterpated doesn't he.

no - the reference is with respect to the Arctic as only the Arctic retains ice year-to-year... as I've been attempting to enlighten you on, the Antarctic sea-ice extent essentially melts in it's entirety, year-to-year. Referring to it as GLOBAL is simply a huckster method that pulls in the neophytes, like you! Again, Walter, this is the yearly Antarctic sea-ice extent scenario:

Walter, at some point you just might get it... you just might realize that Antartcic sea-ice extent naturally, year-to-year, melts almost to its entirety! You keep harping on that Antarctic sea-ice extent thingee... it exemplifies your vast understanding! Here Walter, have a look at typical seasonal 'freeze-melt' Antarctic sea-ice extent:



poor taxi... another drive-by that blew up on ya... blew up on ya, real good!
here Walter... try this one... perhaps it will finally allow you to "get it". You know, before you try to once again flog Antarctic sea-ice extent:

 

waldo

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Well, if Waldo believes that, I can't understand WHY anyone in their right mind would be engaging in discussion with him. He obviously needs professional help. It's sad.

yuk, yuk... that's one of the 3 qualifying reasons on why there is more Antarctic sea-ice extent.


good on ya Walter! That's one contributing factor... see also ozone levels decreasing over the Antarctic with an accompanying increase in the strength of cyclonic winds, in turn, creating polynyas (open water areas) that freeze to increase sea-ice.

Increasing Antarctic Sea Ice under Warming Atmospheric and Oceanic Conditions

The model shows that an increase in surface air temperature and downward longwave radiation results in an increase in the upper-ocean temperatureand a decrease in sea ice growth, leading to a decrease in salt rejection from ice, in the upper-ocean salinity,and in the upper-ocean density. The reduced salt rejection and upper-ocean density and the enhanced thermohaline stratification tend to suppress convective overturning, leading to a decrease in the upwardocean heat transport and the ocean heat flux available to melt sea ice. The ice melting from ocean heat fluxdecreases faster than the ice growth does in the weakly stratified Southern Ocean, leading to an increase in the net ice production and hence an increase in ice mass. This mechanism is the main reason why the Antarctic sea ice has increased in spite of warming conditions both above and below during the period 1979–2004 and the extended period 1948–2004
 

MHz

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I like that site's map
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX3bN5YeiQs

The site below can get you maps that go back 1 year if you want the jet stream in animation. Overlay that with known conditions on land and there ya go, whole lot of time wasted just to show the sky really is falling. Recent flooding maps would be something a buyer would want to be aware of so the info might have a client. Perhaps some of the snowbirds that head south can look around in Nevada/New Mexico for area that are getting rain and some new areas would be scrub land but now be east of the Calif dry spot. No idea what it would go for but it would cost next to nothing (do it right and you would make a bit by providing tire companies a place to get rid of a million old tires) That transforms scrub land into something that is green and that should be added value. Throw in some public funding and the Mississippi could be made to look like the LA River and the excess water diverted to the west to water the new fields. Then again moving lines are what made screen savers popular, this is just more science that artist.

https://www.metcheck.com/UK/jetstream_archive.asp

If Sask is getting windier then planting trees to capture snow is probably a better design idea that no trees and have higher wind speeds on the ground. Something that you plan for and it helps rather than hinders in the long run. In this case I seem to be promoting cashing in on a change that is coming no matter what. Get the radar history for this area and the rain is plotted down to the mm and sq km, overlay that onto a terrain accurate map and you should find the properlocation to drop off the tires and build the barrier to slow down the flash floods. Beavers used to do that but we killed them all, just sayin . . .
 
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waldo

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More proof of Mann-made global warming! Heavy snow blanketing Arizona

you're posting that from a weather web site... could that be weather? Ever been to northern Arizona... Flagstaff perhaps... they get a lot of snow there, regularly!
 

JLM

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you're posting that from a weather web site... could that be weather? Ever been to northern Arizona... Flagstaff perhaps... they get a lot of snow there, regularly!


Yep, North Eastern Ariz. (at 7000') can be pretty harsh!
 

Locutus

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last yr vs this yr cold. with no polar vortex around,will polar vortex get blamed like was tried in November



Different colors on the scale, but very close Core of 5 day cold was 13C last year, around 12C this year.


 

DaSleeper

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Hot or cold weather is the result of global warming....everyone knows that...


Don't be such a nihilist, don't be a denier....................................
 

waldo

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Ever been out of your parent's basement? Most of North America gets snow regular.

apparently you couldn't be bothered to read member Locutus' post... where he presumed to suggest snow in Arizona was an anomalous event. As I emphasized when speaking to Flagstaff/Northern Arizona... it's not.
 

JLM

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apparently you couldn't be bothered to read member Locutus' post... where he presumed to suggest snow in Arizona was an anomalous event. As I emphasized when speaking to Flagstaff/Northern Arizona... it's not.


I doubt if that's a fact worth making enemies over!