I had the same conversation while golfing with a couple of guys in Great Falls. I've lived all over Canada and there are more similarities going north/south than east/west.
Merger of the Century: Why Canada and America Should Become One Country
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I had the same conversation while golfing with a couple of guys in Great Falls. I've lived all over Canada and there are more similarities going north/south than east/west.
Canada and the U.S. will never merge. They have distinct and separate destinies.
Once we elect some patriots and economic nationalists with a bit of confidence and vision in that to government.. instead of these pathetic free market , post-structural ideologues. (Mulroney, Chretien, Harper).. and provincial potentates.. Canada's sovereign identity will become clearer.
Who'd want to latch on to a falling star like the American empire anyway... only weaklings and fools... which unfortunately we have had plenty of in government.
Once we elect some patriots and economic nationalists with a bit of confidence and vision in that to government.. instead of these pathetic free market , post-structural ideologues. (Mulroney, Chretien, Harper).. and provincial potentates.. Canada's sovereign identity will become clearer.
Who'd want to latch on to a falling star like the American empire anyway... only weaklings and fools... which unfortunately we have had plenty of in government.
Been there. I used to live in Nelson but ain't never seen nothin' like that there. Mostly vegetarian dred heads.
We will have to side with one faction or the other in their brewing civil war, if they have enough sense left to actually have one.
Our problem is their problem and it's called Zionism. It's not about Americans. It's about the favoured faction that lives and breaths for the evil economic engine called death and destruction.
Natural or fake, trying to the join the two countries together could result in some nasty post-op scars.
With unifying principles that aren't the same as what we have in Canada. Someone is going to have to change to accommodate the new partner and I'm guessing it's not going to be the much more powerful partner.
That depends on what happens to all the bees and trees.
GE, Westinghouse, Ford GM, Coca-Cola and many others raked it in. We can thank the Nazis and CocaCola for Fanta.
I disagree. America is angry and all about "property". They express their extreme property doctrines and culture as constitutional rights that set them apart in the world. The thing they miss is that the rest of western culture and most of the rest of the world also respect the notion of private property. With the rare exceptions of places like North Korea or some jungle tribal culture, the notion of personal property is unquestioned. America exalts the notion above all others, to the extent that they are now trying to strangle their federal government to kill nationally mandated health care. Their philosophy is rooted in the "me first", "money is my constitutionally protected property" ideology. Canada as a general rule takes the right of owning private property so strongly it is taken for granted, but we do not elevate it to a constitutional extreme that would justify killing socialized medicine. Nor would any other western culture but the US. That spirit of the community is what we would lose if we merged with America. We would be divided into thirteen states divide and conquer style, and all the ways we have worked together to create a world class culture would be subsumed in "The American Way".
Extreme property doctrines? Sorry but Canada is alone on this one,without a guarantee in the Constitution, you are subject to sweeping discretionary powers of government.
Which is enshrined in their Constitution, unlike Canada.
No, our philosophy is the strength of individuality, an alien concept to you.
I often wonder which country you really live in, you have no property rights.
What exactly is a "world class culture"?
What in heavens name is it with all the butt cheeks? Is this a new fad or something. Personally, never having been in a Walmart and after seeing numerous vids and photos of Wallmart people, I can't say as I ever want to.
Do tell: How can one call itself sons of liberty and vote for communism? The two are mutually exclusive.
I think if you went into Walmart with a camera you could get lots of pictures of any kind of person you want.
Perhaps in theory. In reality though, I doubt Canadians fear their government at the same level as Americans so there must be more to it than a few words in a constitution. As a Canadian, I have zero fear in the govmint coming and taking my property
Americans fear their government? You must be joking? You mean we have a distrust in government. And besides, almost ALL first world countries have property rights in their constitution, this isn't an American thing.
Really? Perhaps it is because of your location? I have no issue with the government taking my property either.
To think you're safe because you're in Canada is silly, to say the least.
Tell that to all the people who had their property stolen by BC Hydro. The government can take your property any time they deem it necessary. It is call expropriate and they don't even have to compensate you for it. In Canada (and probably in the US) you only own the surface rights to land. Your purchase only entitles you to pay taxes on that surface. Don't kid yourself.
Oh, will you two get room.
This has been going on for years with you two (broken records and personal slams). It goes on in just about every thread you two post in. As the old saying goes, "You can't hate someone you don't love". Kiss and makeup..
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I disagree. America is angry and all about "property". They express their extreme property doctrines and culture as constitutional rights that set them apart in the world.
I note that your fear of extreme government is instantly expressed, although it conflicts with your quote below asserting your strength. Canadians are not as afraid of our government as Y’all. Your declared constitutional philosophy of government is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, yet you are governed by the largest fascist power in the world. Ours is peace, order and good government and we have accomplished it. Our streets are cleaner, our people healthier, our military smaller and we always rate above America in world surveys measuring life-styles. The only right you have more generous than hours is the right to pack a loaded gun in public, and as a consequence you have more gun killings by a factor of 16X than nine named democratic European cultures and Canada combined. And no universal Medicare for the shooting victims. Routine medical emergencies in America routinely bankrupt the victims.
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The thing they miss is that the rest of western culture and most of the rest of the world also respect the notion of private property. With the rare exceptions of places like North Korea or some jungle tribal culture, the notion of personal property is unquestioned.
Really? North Korea has constitutional property rights? When did Dear Leader hand these down? Please also tell us which tribal cultures have enacted constitutional property rights? I am going to risk saying that you do not have the faintest idea what you are writing about. Your post is all BS.
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America exalts the notion above all others, to the extent that they are now trying to strangle their federal government to kill nationally mandated health care. Their philosophy is rooted in the "me first", "money is my constitutionally protected property" ideology.
Ri-i-i-ight, except that Americans fear their government so badly Republicans believe they must be armed against it with assault rifles.
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Canada as a general rule takes the right of owning private property so strongly it is taken for granted, but we do not elevate it to a constitutional extreme that would justify killing socialized medicine.
We have a thousand years worth of English common law as well as sections seven and eight of the Charter. America’s interpretation of equality is so extremist that many attempts at progressive legislation have been declared unconstitutional because they might take money from the wealthy. Canada learned from the American experience and enacted the notwithstanding clause and the equality clause to deal with the issue. Remember when Hilary Clinton tried to get an equal rights amendment for women? America said no. Amongst other things Canada enacted the following in our Charter:
Nor would any other western culture but the US. That spirit of the community is what we would lose if we merged with America. We would be divided into thirteen states divide and conquer style, and all the ways we have worked together to create a world class culture would be subsumed in "The American Way".
No doubt you must wonder. America too has a world class culture, but unfortunately many Americans think they are unique in having one.
I disagree. America is angry and all about "property". They express their extreme property doctrines and culture as constitutional rights that set them apart in the world.
I note that your fear of extreme government is instantly expressed, although it conflicts with your quote below asserting your strength. Canadians are not as afraid of our government as Y’all. Your declared constitutional philosophy of government is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, yet you are governed by the largest fascist power in the world. Ours is peace, order and good government and we have accomplished it. Our streets are cleaner, our people healthier, our military smaller and we always rate above America in world surveys measuring life-styles. The only right you have more generous than hours is the right to pack a loaded gun in public, and as a consequence you have more gun killings by a factor of 16X than nine named democratic European cultures and Canada combined. And no universal Medicare for the shooting victims. Routine medical emergencies in America routinely bankrupt the victims.
Quote: Originally Posted by toberfile:///C:\Users\B\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif
The thing they miss is that the rest of western culture and most of the rest of the world also respect the notion of private property. With the rare exceptions of places like North Korea or some jungle tribal culture, the notion of personal property is unquestioned.
Really? North Korea has constitutional property rights? When did Dear Leader hand these down? Please also tell us which tribal cultures have enacted constitutional property rights? I am going to risk saying that you do not have the faintest idea what you are writing about. Your post is all BS.
Quote: Originally Posted by toberfile:///C:\Users\B\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif
America exalts the notion above all others, to the extent that they are now trying to strangle their federal government to kill nationally mandated health care. Their philosophy is rooted in the "me first", "money is my constitutionally protected property" ideology.
Ri-i-i-ight, except that Americans fear their government so badly Republicans believe they must be armed against it with assault rifles.
Quote: Originally Posted by toberfile:///C:\Users\B\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif
Canada as a general rule takes the right of owning private property so strongly it is taken for granted, but we do not elevate it to a constitutional extreme that would justify killing socialized medicine.
We have a thousand years worth of English common law as well as sections seven and eight of the Charter. America’s interpretation of equality is so extremist that many attempts at progressive legislation have been declared unconstitutional because they might take money from the wealthy. Canada learned from the American experience and enacted the notwithstanding clause and the equality clause to deal with the issue. Remember when Hilary Clinton tried to get an equal rights amendment for women? America said no. Amongst other things Canada enacted the following in our Charter:
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
· Marginal note:Affirmative action programs
(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. …
28. Notwithstanding anything in this Charter, the rights and freedoms referred to in it are guaranteed equally to male and female persons.
Quote: Originally Posted by toberfile:///C:\Users\B\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif· Marginal note:Affirmative action programs
(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. …
28. Notwithstanding anything in this Charter, the rights and freedoms referred to in it are guaranteed equally to male and female persons.
Nor would any other western culture but the US. That spirit of the community is what we would lose if we merged with America. We would be divided into thirteen states divide and conquer style, and all the ways we have worked together to create a world class culture would be subsumed in "The American Way".
No doubt you must wonder. America too has a world class culture, but unfortunately many Americans think they are unique in having one.