Sixth Annual Israeli Apartheid Week

[earth_as_one]

I see everyone of my posts, that I made yesterday has been deleted. Good job on muzzling those that oppose you eao.

Did you have to swallow?

I have no interest in "muzzling those that oppose" me. I welcome debate.

I only complained to the moderator about CB's personal attacks and threats. My posts are gone too. I imagine the moderators decided the entire string was not worth the effort of editing out individual posts...

 

[CDNBear]

Why? There is no contrary evidence acceptable to a fanatic.

You would be a glowing example of that, as well as your fellow anti Israeli cadre here.

Hence why you all ignore, or summarily dismiss fact, without contravening evidence. You fail to show evidence when asked and dismiss all dissenting voices with rhetoric, hearsay and falsehoods.

 

[darkbeaver]

No, but "the Israelis are like Nazis' (ie "the Jews are Nazis") is Jew hatred. It can be nothing less.

As is the milder, but still vicious lie "apartheid Israel".......both these things are so easily deniable....they are simply ludicrous.

They are only promoted by people completely ignorant of the facts, or people whose minds are so gnarled and twisted with hatred that they are beyond reason........

And most of the people here seem reasonably well informed........

These "people" are Israeli then? Hating Israel is healthy normal thinking, supporting Israel is sick.Most of the people here are reasonably well informed you are a glaring exception.

 

[CDNBear]

I have no interest in "muzzling those that oppose" me. I welcome debate.

No you don't, you haven't the ability to counter evidence. You just dismiss, or ignore.

I only complained to the moderator about CB's personal attacks and threats.[/quote]How can you separate the person from the post, when you put yourself in your post. It isn't as if you simply cut and paste all the time. You placed your own person in the line of fire, by making claims about your motives. Thus having those motives is a valid rebuttal.

And threats? I firmly believe you to be a bigot. I also believe your posts to be inciting of hatred towards Israel, in contrary to Canadian law.

I suggest you take a long look at your contributions here.

 

[MHz]

No, but "the Israelis are like Nazis' (ie "the Jews are Nazis") is Jew hatred. It can be nothing less.

That would make calling anybody a Nazi a hate crime. Israel calling Iran nazis is a hate crime, go spank your handlers.

 

[darkbeaver]

No you don't, you haven't the ability to counter evidence. You just dismiss, or ignore.

I only complained to the moderator about CB's personal attacks and threats.

How can you separate the person from the post, when you put yourself in your post. It isn't as if you simply cut and paste all the time. You placed your own person in the line of fire, by making claims about your motives. Thus having those motives is a valid rebuttal.

And threats? I firmly believe you to be a bigot. I also believe your posts to be inciting of hatred towards Israel, in contrary to Canadian law.

I suggest you take a long look at your contributions here.

[/QUOTE]
Hating zionist Israel is not contrary to Canadian law anymore than hating Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan or communist Russia.

 

[AnnaG]

One can dislike the Israeli state and still love the people of the country and it has nothing to do with Judaism. Israel has Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze, probably Buddhists, atheists, and Hindus in it, too. And there is probably a variety of landed immigrants, as well.
It's a bit sad that some people cannot distinguish between some of the varieties of all these people.

 

[darkbeaver]

Palestine Forever Israel Never.

 

[Colpy]

That would make calling anybody a Nazi a hate crime. Israel calling Iran nazis is a hate crime, go spank your handlers.

Baloney.

The Nazis did not single out Iranians for mass murder.

It is like equating the families of the victims of Clifford Olsen with Olsen's crimes......a sick, twisted, vicious, obscene concept that could only take root in a diseased mind.

 

[Goober]

Hating zionist Israel is not contrary to Canadian law anymore than hating Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan or communist Russia.[/quote]
Incitement does qualify though.

 

[MHz]

Baloney.

The Nazis did not single out Iranians for mass murder.

It is like equating the families of the victims of Clifford Olsen with Olsen's crimes......a sick, twisted, vicious, obscene concept that could only take root in a diseased mind.

So if Israel was only after the complete removal of every living Palestinian they would be equal to being a Nazi, but since they want the extinction of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran (so far ) that makes them quite unlike the Nazis, I agree that their motives are worse. Really what kind of person sleeps at night knowing they will be committing many war crimes the very next day. Maybe the two year planning stage made them numb from the toe-nails up.

 

[MHz]

From the mind of guys like this (and he was one of the nicer ones). You should read some of the memos going around Israel just prior to and a few years after 1967.

Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist.
Moshe Dayan

The method of collective punishment so far has proved effective.
Moshe Dayan

There is no more Palestine. Finished.
Moshe Dayan

Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.
Ariel Sharon

 

[Colpy]

So if Israel was only after the complete removal of every living Palestinian they would be equal to being a Nazi, but since they want the extinction of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran (so far ) that makes them quite unlike the Nazis, I agree that their motives are worse. Really what kind of person sleeps at night knowing they will be committing many war crimes the very next day. Maybe the two year planning stage made them numb from the toe-nails up.

So, I did some research....you know, I looked up some FACTS.....

Here it is....in 62 years of war, civil unrest, conquest, occupation, ......and yet more war in the Arab Israeli conflict there have been, at the very most....wait for it.......132,000 deaths on both sides.

Now 132,000 dead is a horrendous number. No doubt. But it includes BOTH sides of the conflict........and it is probably greatly inflated, as I used the HIGHEST numbers I could find, and it includes a completely unsubstantiated claim of 51,000 civilian deaths.

So, at the very most, 132,000 dead in 62 years. That includes BOTH sides, although something less than 15% are Israeli.........another small percentage are Arabs killed by Arabs.....

Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

If the Israelis are trying to kill off the Arabs, they are doing an exceedingly poor job.

About 1800 Arabs a year. At that rate, it will take the Israelis more than 2200 years to kill off just the 4 million Arabs of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza.....and that is if the population of Arabs STOPS growing....which it has been doing by leaps and bounds.

That is REALITY....try and deal with it.

Now, would you like a comparison of the Jewish deaths under the Nazis in just 12 years???????

Israeli are like Nazis.

Collosal FAIL!!!!

 

[CDNBear]

Hating zionist Israel is not contrary to Canadian law anymore than hating Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan or communist Russia.

You're right, because even I hate Zionists. But Israel isn't a Zionist state. Even the UN has had acknowledge that fact.

Now given the fact that the UN is about as inept as it gets, why is it they have been able to come to this fact based conclusion, while you have not?

So if Israel was only after the complete removal of every living Palestinian they would be equal to being a Nazi, but since they want the extinction of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran (so far ) that makes them quite unlike the Nazis, I agree that their motives are worse. Really what kind of person sleeps at night knowing they will be committing many war crimes the very next day. Maybe the two year planning stage made them numb from the toe-nails up.

Although I was about to posts something to you I posted to you before, Colpy already beat me to it.

So, I did some research....you know, I looked up some FACTS.....

Here it is....in 62 years of war, civil unrest, conquest, occupation, ......and yet more war in the Arab Israeli conflict there have been, at the very most....wait for it.......132,000 deaths on both sides.

Now 132,000 dead is a horrendous number. No doubt. But it includes BOTH sides of the conflict........and it is probably greatly inflated, as I used the HIGHEST numbers I could find, and it includes a completely unsubstantiated claim of 51,000 civilian deaths.

So, at the very most, 132,000 dead in 62 years. That includes BOTH sides, although something less than 15% are Israeli.........another small percentage are Arabs killed by Arabs.....

Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

If the Israelis are trying to kill off the Arabs, they are doing an exceedingly poor job.

About 1800 Arabs a year. At that rate, it will take the Israelis more than 2200 years to kill off just the 4 million Arabs of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza.....and that is if the population of Arabs STOPS growing....which it has been doing by leaps and bounds.

That is REALITY....try and deal with it.

Now, would you like a comparison of the Jewish deaths under the Nazis in just 12 years???????

Israeli are like Nazis.

Collosal FAIL!!!!

Colpy, a complete waste of time. I posted these figures once before, even made them my signature. They won't get it.

They can't get it, imagine how they would feel upon the revelation that they have literally spent years in a complete state of wrong? :lol:

 

[Dixie Cup]

This whole thread is disgusting!
JMO

 

[Cliffy]

Baloney.

The Nazis did not single out Iranians for mass murder.

It is like equating the families of the victims of Clifford Olsen with Olsen's crimes......a sick, twisted, vicious, obscene concept that could only take root in a diseased mind.

America is contemplating the possibility of nuking Iran. Does that not constitute mass murder if put into action? Is not calling Iran a theocratic dictatorship similar to calling Israel a Zionist state? Everybody seems to have blinders on when it comes to their emotional attachments to places, people and things. All this name calling over semantics is a little childish.

 

[ironsides]

Who told you that America might nuke Iran? You must have a direct link with President Obama. All this name calling is a little childish though. They are so like the Orange and the Green used to be.

 

[darkbeaver]

Goober;1231446]Hating zionist Israel is not contrary to Canadian law anymore than hating Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan or communist Russia. Incitement does qualify though.

It is the actions of Israel that incite hatred Booger, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change that, everyday it will mount, everyday speaking out will be proven entirely justified and in every way the morally correct thing to do. You want to go to court do you Booger? Well I would welcome the chance to stand before the people and condemn the state of Israel as the blight on mankind that it is. You will of course be willing to stand there with me and answer for your condemnation of Iran and the whole of Islam as you have done many times in these threads without hesitation.
Mr Goldstones report on the Gaza situation incites critical thinking and discrimination about the genocidal attack recently conducted on the Palestinian women and children and helpless civilians and the destruction of their vital support infrastructure, I choose to emulate him in my condemnation of crimes against humanity which demand the stanch opposition of all good people.
Anything less is cowardice bordering on collusion and completely beneath and beyond what I and millions of my fellow Canadians have been taught to aspire to.

 

[ironsides]

May as well post what your all talking about.​

United Nations Fact Finding Mission​

on the Gaza Conflict​

PRESS RELEASE

29 September 2009​

Head of UN Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict urges accountability for war crimes; insists impunity undermines peace process and encourages violence. ​

GENEVA – Head of the UN Fact Finding Mission Justice Richard Goldstone urged the international community to put an end to impunity for violations of international law in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory as he presented the report of the Mission to the Human Rights Council on Tuesday.

Following its 3-month investigation, the four-person Mission concluded that serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law were committed by Israel in the context of its military operations in Gaza from December 27, 2008 to January 18, 2009, and that Israel committed actions amounting to war crimes, and possibly crimes against humanity.

The Mission also found that Palestinian armed groups had committed war crimes, as well as possibly crimes against humanity.

As neither the Government of Israel nor the responsible Palestinian authorities had to date carried out any credible investigations into alleged violations, Justice Goldstone urged the 47 Member States of the Human Rights Council to implement a number of measures, includingreferral of the Mission’s report to the UN Security Council. The Mission report recommends that the Security Council require Israel and the authorities in Gaza to report to it, within six months, on investigations and prosecutions it should carry out with regard to the violations identified by the Mission.

The Mission recommends that the Security Council set up a body of independent experts to report to it on the progress of the Israeli and Palestinian investigations and prosecutions. If the experts’ reports do not indicate within six months that good faith, independent proceedings are taking place, the Security Council should refer the situation in Gaza to the ICC Prosecutor.

The Fact Finding Mission, headed by Justice Richard Goldstone, who is a former judge of the Constitutional Court of South Africa and former Prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda, also comprises Hina Jilani, Advocate of the Supreme Court of Pakistan, former Special Representative of the Secretary-General on the situation of human rights defenders and a member of the International Commission of Inquiry on Darfur (2004); Professor Christine Chinkin, Professor of International Law at the London School of Economics and Political Science and a member of the high-level fact-finding mission to Beit Hanoun (2008); and Colonel Desmond Travers, a former Officer in Ireland’s Defence Forces and a member of the Board of Directors of the Institute for International Criminal Investigations.

“Now is the time for action,” Justice Goldstone told the Human Rights Council, “A culture of impunity in the region has existed for too long. The lack of accountability for war crimes and possible crimes against humanity has reached a crisis point; the ongoing lack of justice is undermining any hope for a successful peace process and reinforcing an environment that fosters violence. Time and again, experience has taught us that overlooking justice only leads to increased conflict and violence.”

The Mission was appointed by the President of the Human Rights Council in April with a mandate to “To investigate all violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law that might have been committed at any time in the context of the military operations that were conducted in Gaza during the period from 27 December 2008 and 18 January 2009, whether before, during or after.”

The Mission found that the repeated acts of firing rockets and mortars into Southern Israel by Palestinian armed groups from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip constituted war crimes that may amount to crimes against humanity.

In the lead up to the Israeli military assault on Gaza, the Mission said it found that Israel had imposed a blockade amounting to collective punishment and carried out a systematic policy of progressive isolation and deprivation of the Gaza Strip. During the Israeli military operation, code-named “Operation Cast Lead,” more than 1,400 people were killed, including women and more than 340 children, and houses, factories, wells, schools, hospitals, police stations and other public buildings were destroyed.

The report concluded that the Israeli military operation was directed at the people of Gaza as a whole, in furtherance of an overall and continuing policy aimed at punishing the Gaza population, and in a deliberate policy of disproportionate force aimed at the civilian population. The Report states that Israeli acts that deprive Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of their means of subsistence, employment, housing and water, that deny their freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their rights to access a court of law and an effective remedy, and could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, has been committed.

“The Government of Israel has a duty to protect its citizens,” Justice Goldstone told the Human Rights Council, “That in no way justifies a policy of collective punishment of a people under effective occupation, destroying their means to live a dignified life and the trauma caused by the kind of military intervention the Israeli Government called Operation Cast Lead. This contributes to a situation where young people grow up in a culture of hatred and violence, with little hope for change in the future. Finally, the teaching of hate and dehumanization by each side against the other contributes to the destabilization of the whole region,” he said.

As well as calling for justice, the Members of the Mission urged the Human Rights Council to take action that would ensure the protection of victims, prevent further violence and improve the living conditions of the affected people.

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Mary Robinson: "I am afraid the resolution is not balanced ... This is unfortunately a practice by the Council: adopting resolutions guided not by human rights but by politics.

"Netanyahu reminds world that England when attacked by Nazi rockets leveled cities in Europe, while Israel went house to house in Gaza.
Why was Israel, the defender, condemned?

Why did the UN not condemn the terror group Hamas for firing rockets at Israel cities and towns?"

http://www.ungoldstonereport.com/index.html

 

[Colpy]

America is contemplating the possibility of nuking Iran. Does that not constitute mass murder if put into action? Is not calling Iran a theocratic dictatorship similar to calling Israel a Zionist state? Everybody seems to have blinders on when it comes to their emotional attachments to places, people and things. All this name calling over semantics is a little childish.

Cliffy......the entire basis of your argument is invalid, as the United States is NOT contemplating nuking Iran 8O. Not in the cards.....unless of course there is a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv....or Washington.

Iran IS a theocratic state, in which the clergy must officially approve everyone before they can appear on the ballot........Israel is a secular state, in which Muslims run for public office and win seats in the Knesset.

Usually I would agree with the semantics criticism.....but referring to Jews as Nazis is simply soooo far over the edge. Outside the Pale.

And I've noticed that when faced with FACTS, the Jew-haters herein run for cover...... ignoring completely the realities, refusing to respond to the facts, and often simply waiting until the factual post has moved off the page....then continuing with the promotion of hatred as if nothing had occurred.