Sixth Annual Israeli Apartheid Week

Are all human being entitled to fundamental human rights?

  • Yes, all people are entitled to food, clothing, shelter, medicine...

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • No, only some people are entitled to human rights.

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Palestinians don't qualify as human beings.

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Total voters
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Both Colpy and myself have openly stated that Israel's unrestrained retaliation to rocket attacks, was both advised and counterproductive. We have also admitted that the are cases in which specific members of the IDF have committed crimes.

Really? Wow, I guess I had better get out my magnifying glass because I guess it's in the fine print.:lol:

This is true, but Tutu is but one supporter. The vast majority are not as qualified, nor as legitimate as he is.

Thus negating the entire events validity IMHO

I can't say for sure because I don't know who the vast majority are. Perhaps it's because I am naive or I won't brush it off because it happens to be negative about the state of Israel therefore automatically negating the validity of it.
 

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Really? Wow, I guess I had better get out my magnifying glass because I guess it's in the fine print.:lol:
LOL< it is rare, but it has been said.

I can't say for sure because I don't know who the vast majority are. Perhaps it's because I am naive or I won't brush it off because it happens to be negative about the state of Israel therefore automatically negating the validity of it.
There is a huge difference between being critical of Israeli transgressions, and a blatant lie like "Israeli apartheid".
 

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There is a huge difference between being critical of Israeli transgressions, and a blatant lie like "Israeli apartheid".

Yeah, this is the one point that bothers me, while there are issues like having Palestinians carry documents at all times that are in a language they can't speak, but I don't believe it's Apartheid either.

Also, to be fair, I don't see anyone having a "violation of human rights in Arab nations" week.
 

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Yeah, this is the one point that bothers me, while there are issues like having Palestinians carry documents at all times that are in a language they can't speak, but I don't believe it's Apartheid either.
That's if they wish to cross the border. Like everywhere else in the world, non?

Also, to be fair, I don't see anyone having a "violation of human rights in Arab nations" week.
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What?

I have never once seen Colpy be critical of Israel. I have even called him on it and he didn't deny his unwavering support of Israel....not to sure about you, but given your dislike of all Muslims I see no reason to assume the otherwise.

This whole apartheid week crap does give shelter to those who dislike Jews but I also believe some legitimate people are involved (Bishop tutu) with this as well so I won't dismiss it as just about anti-Semitic behavior as the pro Israeli movement will have you believe, because I know that in some circles any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic and Nazi sympathizing.:roll:

This sums it up, without the "but".
"This whole apartheid week crap does give shelter to those who dislike Jews"


"Bishop Desmond Tutu, a Nobel Peace Prize Laureatte, is a stern critic of Israel, who like so many others, ignores Arab aggression whenever Israel defends itself, disregarding Arab culpability for their own plight. But his censure of Israel is always very compelling to those whose knowledge of the Middle East conflict is limited to the half-truths, selective omissions and blatant lies of Arab spokesmen and other gullible media outlets."
How honest is Bishop Tutu? « ISRAEL AND TRUTH
 

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I see everyone of my posts, that I made yesterday has been deleted. Good job on muzzling those that oppose you eao.

Did you have to swallow?
 

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High clergy, be it Tutu, or the Pope, always think of terms of MONEY.

For Tutu, stabbing the system that gave him a platform is just a bribe he took.

For RC bishops and the Pope supporting illegal immigrants is the fact that in Mexico it is 10 pesos to to Rome, in the U.S. it is 10 dollars.
 

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This sums it up, without the "but".
"This whole apartheid week crap does give shelter to those who dislike Jews"


"Bishop Desmond Tutu, a Nobel Peace Prize Laureatte, is a stern critic of Israel, who like so many others, ignores Arab aggression whenever Israel defends itself, disregarding Arab culpability for their own plight. But his censure of Israel is always very compelling to those whose knowledge of the Middle East conflict is limited to the half-truths, selective omissions and blatant lies of Arab spokesmen and other gullible media outlets."
How honest is Bishop Tutu? « ISRAEL AND TRUTH

Even TuTu will be vilified now....:roll:
 

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No, apparently not.
I can only find information pertaining to the requirement of carrying ID cards for crossing borders or traveling in secure areas.

That isn't that unheard of. Not to much to ask, if you ask me.
 

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Israel is an Apartheid State
And that is why they are losing Legitimacy

By Judy Rebick

Global Research, March 4, 2010
Socialist Project

Before Israeli Apartheid Week (IAW) even began members of the Ontario Legislature and the Canadian Parliament are falling all over each other to denounce it. I can't remember another time when elected legislators formally denounced a student activity like this. Perhaps during the 1950s when McCarthyism was rampant but that was before my time.
Last week the Ontario Legislature unanimously passed a resolution denouncing Israel Apartheid Week submitted by PC Peter Shure who said calling Israel an apartheid state was “close to hate speech.” While there were only 30 MPPs in the Legislature at the time, NDP MPP Cheri di Novo was one of them and spoke in favour of the resolution. This week a Conservative MP is introducing a resolution calling IAW anti-Semitic.
Before I deal with why these unprecedented attacks are taking place, I'd like to share with you a great talk I heard last night at Ryerson from Na'eem Jeena (view video below), a leading activist and academic from South Africa who works for Palestinian solidarity. He told us that South African apartheid had three pillars of apartheid and Israel shares all three.
1. Different rights for different races. In the case of Israel, it is different rights for Jews and for non-Jews. For example the law of return of 1950 says Jews can return to Israel and be given citizenship even if they have no links to the country other than mythical biblical ones; whereas Palestinians cannot return even if their parents or grandparents lived there.
2. Separation of so-called racial groups into different geographical areas. Even within the borders of Israel, 93 percent of land is reserved as a national land trust or Jewish National Fund land is for the exclusive use of Jews. The 20 percent of the population that is Palestinians living in Israel have to share access to the 7 percent of private land that is left. The Israeli Supreme Court has made a number of decisions that Palestinians cannot live on Jewish lands. There are not only residential areas that are banned to Palestinians but there are separate roads for Jews and Palestinians. That was never true in South Africa even in times of crisis. Moreover Palestinians have less access to water than Jews living nearby.
Finally the movement of Palestinians is severely restricted much more so than were blacks in South Africa. The famous pass laws in South Africa meant that blacks had to show government issued passes to move around but Palestinians are even more restricted by walls and checkpoints and if they live in the Gaza Strip can't leave at all.
3. Security and Repression Matrix of Laws and Security. There was serious repression in the black townships but there were never tanks or planes buzzing overhead like there is in West Bank. Israeli military violence against Palestinian communities, says Jeena, is far worse than anything suffered by blacks in South Africa during apartheid.
If Israel is becoming a pariah in the world it is not because of anti-Semitism, it is because they are practicing a form of apartheid even more egregious than that practiced in South Africa. Others have compiled comments from some of the most respected leaders of the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa who see what Israel is doing as apartheid. There is a reason why the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) campaign is strongest in South Africa. People there recognize apartheid when they see it.
Finally the UN Convention on Apartheid condemns the crime of apartheid that refers to a series of inhuman acts – including murder, torture, arbitrary arrest, illegal imprisonment, exploitation, marginalization, and persecution – committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining the domination of one racial group by another. If the shoe fits.
So why are politicians including some from the NDP setting a student activity like IAW in their sites? An all party coalition of parliamentarians has been holding hearings on what they call the “new anti-Semitism,” by which they mean criticism of Israel. They heard from every University President who appeared before them that there is no rise of anti-Semitism on their campuses and yet the false rumours of such a rise persist because of the equation of criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. Israel is beginning to see that the non-violent anti-apartheid and BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) movement is a greater threat to their power than the any military threat. In Israel and Palestine, they are moving to arrest non-violent activists who are leading the movement there. And they are using all their economic and political power to push friendly governments to move against these protests. But there is a problem. It's called democracy and freedom of speech. However much you might disagree that Israel practices apartheid, you cannot shut down a discussion of the issue or a demonstration or disinvestment campaign against Israel because freedom of speech is a fundamental democratic right in most Western countries. In Canada, the only way to shut down the movement is to vilify it as hateful or anti-Semitic. That is what our parliamentarians are now trying to do.
I am Jewish and have been working on and off for Palestinian rights for many years, as have many other Jews who feel a special responsibility to speak out against injustices committed by Israel. During that time, I have rarely experienced any anti-Semitism. In the IAW organizing, I have experienced none. If Israel is losing legitimacy in the world, it is because of what their government is doing to the Palestinians, not because of anti-Semitism. This attempt to shut down criticism of Israel is the most frightening assault on freedom of speech I have ever seen in this country. Whether or not you think Israeli Apartheid Week is the best name for this week of discussion supporting Palestinian rights, please write your MP and your MPP and tell them you think it is wrong for Parliamentarians to denounce this kind of educational activity. •
Judy Rebick is the CAW-Sam Gindin Chair in Social Justice and Democracy and maintains a blog at transformingpower.ca where this article first appeared.
 

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1. Different rights for different races.
False. Israel has no such law making residency illegal to anyone of any nationality, religion or otherwise.
2. Separation of so-called racial groups into different geographical areas.
Again false. The JNF is a private group, that has been sanction and had land expropriated by the Israeli gov't for creating housing for all Israeli's, Arab and Jew alike.
3. Security and Repression Matrix of Laws and Security.
Wow, what else can I say. That was a complete load of contrived shyte. There was nothing in there that remotely supported the title in the following the paragraphs.

But it only goes to show, when fact is not on your side, just BS the masses, some of them will eat it up and believe every word without a seconds critical thought.
 

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CDNBear; [quote said:
But it only goes to show, when fact is not on your side, just BS the masses, some of them will eat it up and believe every word without a seconds critical thought.

Exactly what the point is Mr Bear, precisely the tactic of Israel Mr Bear, obviously you are a victim Mr Bear, you've been had Mr zionist kool-aid drinker.
 

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Exactly what the point is Mr Bear, precisely the tactic of Israel Mr Bear, obviously you are a victim Mr Bear, you've been had Mr zionist kool-aid drinker.
Given the fact that your post contains absolute falsehoods. And mine the true facts of the matter, I think you're projecting.

I wouldn't expect anything more from you.
 

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I can only find information pertaining to the requirement of carrying ID cards for crossing borders or traveling in secure areas.

That isn't that unheard of. Not to much to ask, if you ask me.

Depends who you are I guess plus the documents are in hebrew only. Not a huge deal but add them to other issues and it becomes bigger.

Btw, when Israel bombed Gaza I was kind of on their side.
 

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Depends who you are I guess plus the documents are in hebrew only. Not a huge deal but add them to other issues and it becomes bigger.
I can see your point. But I still don't see a big issue here. I mean I have to carry papers when traveling in and out of Canada, I have to carry ID when moving around secure areas. Much of the West Bank is a mess, militants, civilians and so on, mingling. It would seem only appropriate to want to keep track of peoples movements.

Btw, when Israel bombed Gaza I was kind of on their side.
I was and wasn't. Although I did find that the catalyst was valid, some of the retaliation, was without forethought to the impact on civilians.
 

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Given the fact that your post contains absolute falsehoods. And mine the true facts of the matter, I think you're projecting.

I wouldn't expect anything more from you.

All points in the article are verified as factual. The article indicates clearly and beyond contention the prosecution of state apartheid on the rightful owners of Palestine. You sir are an avowed supporter of crimes against humanity.
 

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All points in the article are verified as factual.
Please supply them. I can supply supporting documentation of the facts I have presented.

The article indicates clearly and beyond contention the prosecution of state apartheid on the rightful owners of Palestine. You sir are an avowed supporter of crimes against humanity.
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