Sixth Annual Israeli Apartheid Week

Are all human being entitled to fundamental human rights?

  • Yes, all people are entitled to food, clothing, shelter, medicine...

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • No, only some people are entitled to human rights.

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Palestinians don't qualify as human beings.

    Votes: 5 29.4%

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Goober

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You stil have not answered my questions on the other thread - I now realize that you are terrifed as you cannot answer - shameful that a question puts such fear into a person.

And please do not answer with one of you puppet like posts - People are tired of them - do you have an opinion that does not need a post that no one realy pays any attention to.
 

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There's cruelties abound in Israeli/Palestine, both equally barbaric. Yet, when the Palestinians commit them, it's fluffed up as being self determination or some other BS catchword of the day yet any military offensive committed by Israel is a war crime.

Not by me. War crimes are war crimes regardless of who commits them. Victims of Zionist atrocities, war crimes and crimes against humanity have a legal right to violently resist their oppressors, but not commit war crimes. I don't support violence, but do support non-violent resistance, such as this:
http://www.bilin-village.org/english/activities-and-support/

I noticed Canadian politicians and our news ignore/dismiss Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity, like they aren't happening.

BTW, Palestinian militant war crimes killed 3 people last year. Zionist war crimes killed over a thousand during the same time frame. As far as I know, Palestinian militants have not committed any crimes against humanity.

I would be just as upset if the Canadian government expressed unshakable support for Palestinian militant war criminals as I am for their expressed unshakable support for Zionist war criminals and ignore their war crimes.
 

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Goober the frustrated inquisitor. Torquemada would have fired you the first week.
Not at all my friend - i ask a resonable quesion - as was requested - i hear no replies excepting the normal Rant and Rave - No one will solve the problems between Isreal and the Palestinians if they are showing outright support for one over the other.
If one country does this they will not be trusted by the other.
 

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Not at all my friend - i ask a resonable quesion - as was requested - i hear no replies excepting the normal Rant and Rave - No one will solve the problems between Isreal and the Palestinians if they are showing outright support for one over the other.
If one country does this they will not be trusted by the other.

You and Israel do exactly that that's the problem the media blitz is designed to address, read your program. So you insist in equality, very well you will insist that Israel remove every weapon in excess of those held by the Palestinians and you will insist that all the shekels be split in two equal parts and that the water distribution and the food and the utilities all be shared even stephen (not harper). Israel is not trusted because it has declared and proven that it supports nothing but Israeli supremacy in the region and it holds weapons of mass destruction of the heads of the worlds population via the Samson option. Israel will have the planet or nobody will. Good luck with that. Hitler and Alexander learned, Babylon and Summer found out and Israel will in time be forced to swallow the same vinegar it pours out for the Palestinians. Bought trust is no trust at all. How can anyone take you seriously when every reply you get is nothing but rant and rave in your ears? IMO
 

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You and Israel do exactly that that's the problem the media blitz is designed to address, read your program. So you insist in equality, very well you will insist that Israel remove every weapon in excess of those held by the Palestinians and you will insist that all the shekels be split in two equal parts and that the water distribution and the food and the utilities all be shared even stephen (not harper). Israel is not trusted because it has declared and proven that it supports nothing but Israeli supremacy in the region and it holds weapons of mass destruction of the heads of the worlds population via the Samson option. Israel will have the planet or nobody will. Good luck with that. Hitler and Alexander learned, Babylon and Summer found out and Israel will in time be forced to swallow the same vinegar it pours out for the Palestinians. Bought trust is no trust at all. IMO

Wrong - I believe that pressure - even sanctions have to be used to get both parties to the table - then as we all know on a few sticking points come up -Jerusalem as a divided capital - The Palestinians have no legitimate claim - same as right of return - not acceptable to Israel- But they can work that out themselves now can't they?

Arab countries to accept Palestinians from these refugee camps and grant full citizenship rights.
 

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The Israeli Apartheid movement seeks to non-violently end Zionist oppression and injustice. It does not support violence or antisemitism. The movement includes Jews and Israelis.

The movement has little in common with Nazism. The same can't be said for Zionism:



I think images carry more weight than cartoons. Judge for yourself how Zionists view Arabs
http://cpt.org/gallery/album03/02_05_03_Die_Arab_Sand

Nazis created a racially defined state, where rights and privileges are race based with the Germans being the master race with unlimited supremacy over other races.

Zionists are creating a religiously defined state, where rights and privileges are religious based, with Judaism being the master religion with unlimited supremacy over other religions.

Nazis forcibly relocated undesirables (race based) into walled in ghettos and used their military to crush the resistance. They also used food and humanitarian aid as a weapon, effectively starving their victims.

Zionists forcibly relocates undesirables (religious based) into walled in ghettos and use their military to crush the resistance. They also use food and humanitarian aid as a weapon, effectively starving their victims.

Nazis committed ever more horrific atrocities against their undesirables. Ethnic cleansing led to the creation of ghettos, which were replaced by concentration camps that eventually became extermination camps.

Zionists continue to commit ever more horrific atrocities against their undesirables. They practice ethnic cleansing, create ghettos and concentration camps. Eventually Zionists will come to the same conclusion as Nazis regarding a final solution to the Arab problem. The 2008 Gaza massacre proves that Zionists consider non-Jews to be subhuman. They used chemical against unarmed civilians, assassinated entire families including children, shot unarmed civilians trying to flee the fighting under a white flag of truce, prevent ambulances from reaching the wounded and dying, used unarmed civilians including children as human shields to block bullets, shield tanks, artillery, command posts and sniper positions from counter attack... and many other horrendous war crimes.

IMO, Zionism and Nazism aren't that different and at one point, they had a cooperative relationship.

Nazi Support of Zionism

The Haavara Agreement was signed on 25 August 1933 after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the orders of the Jewish Agency, an official executive agency in then Palestine) and the economic authorities of the Nazi regime of Germany. The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine. While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to give up most of their possessions to Germany before departing. Those assets could later be obtained by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods.[1] Approximately 50,000 Jews emigrated to Palestine under this agreement. The main proponent of the Ha'avara Agreement was Haim Arlosoroff.

Haavara Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lehi (Hebrew pronunciation: [ˈleχi], Hebrew acronym for Lohamei Herut Israel, "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel," לח"י - לוחמי חרות ישראל) was an armed underground Zionist group in Mandatory Palestine.[1] Its goal was to forcibly evict the British authorities from Palestine, allowing unrestricted immigration of Jews and the formation of a Jewish state....

...In 1940, Lehi proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in "transferring" the Jews of Europe, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik was sent to Beirut where he met the German official Werner Otto von Hentig. Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations.

On the assumption that the destruction of Britain was the Germans' top objective, the organization offered cooperation in the following terms: From the NMO side: full cooperation in sabotage, espionage and intelligence and up to wide military operations in the Middle East and in eastern Europe anywhere where the Irgun had Jewish cells, active and trained and in some places with weapons. From the German side, the following declarations and actions were demanded: (1) Full recognition of an independent Jewish state in Palestine/Eretz Israel (2) That the ability to emigrate to Palestine be conceded to all Jews, with no restriction of numbers, who, in leaving their homes in Europe, by their own will or because of government injunctions.[citation needed]

On January 11, 1941 a letter by Lehi, which would be later referred to as the Ankara document, was sent from Vice Admiral Ralf von der Marwitz, the German Naval attaché in Ankara, depicting an offer to "actively take part in the war on Germany's side" in return for German support for "the establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich."[28][29]...

Lehi (group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The Israeli Apartheid movement seeks to non-violently end Zionist oppression and injustice. It does not support violence or antisemitism. The movement includes Jews and Israelis.

The movement has little in common with Nazism. The same can't be said for Zionism:



I think images carry more weight than cartoons. Judge for yourself how Zionists view Arabs
Photo Albums :: Settler Graffiti in Hebron :: 02_05_03_Die_Arab_Sand

Nazis created a racially defined state, where rights and privileges are race based with the Germans being the master race with unlimited supremacy over other races.

Zionists are creating a religiously defined state, where rights and privileges are religious based, with Judaism being the master religion with unlimited supremacy over other religions.

Nazis forcibly relocated undesirables (race based) into walled in ghettos and used their military to crush the resistance. They also used food and humanitarian aid as a weapon, effectively starving their victims.

Zionists forcibly relocates undesirables (religious based) into walled in ghettos and use their military to crush the resistance. They also use food and humanitarian aid as a weapon, effectively starving their victims.

Nazis committed ever more horrific atrocities against their undesirables. Ethnic cleansing led to the creation of ghettos, which were replaced by concentration camps that eventually became extermination camps.

Zionists continue to commit ever more horrific atrocities against their undesirables. They practice ethnic cleansing, create ghettos and concentration camps. Eventually Zionists will come to the same conclusion as Nazis regarding a final solution to the Arab problem. The 2008 Gaza massacre proves that Zionists consider non-Jews to be subhuman. They used chemical against unarmed civilians, assassinated entire families including children, shot unarmed civilians trying to flee the fighting under a white flag of truce, prevent ambulances from reaching the wounded and dying, used unarmed civilians including children as human shields to block bullets, shield tanks, artillery, command posts and sniper positions from counter attack... and many other horrendous war crimes.

IMO, Zionism and Nazism aren't that different and at one point, they had a cooperative relationship.

Nazi Support of Zionism

EAO, I have not replied to your disgusting posts in this thread until now because I have desperately been trying to control my temper.

The accusation that Israel is apartheid is simply inaccurate, as I have demonstrated before.....Arabs are Israeli citizens......despite the fact they are a tint minority, as opposed to the majority black population in South Africa.......Arabs vote, hold public office, and hold seats in the Knesset, and have won decisions in their favour before the Israeli Supreme Court. The accusation that Israel is apartheid is a smear, a hatred tactic used to demonize Jews since the Satanic accusations of 1000 plus years ago. You should be ashamed to support this sham.

BTW, are you really so ridiculously niave as to believe Israeli settlers run around painting hate-filled grafitti on the walls of Arab homes.....in English!!!! Using a typically American insult???? Give it a break!!!

Now, to the accusation Israelis behave as Nazis.......point by point.....

First of all, the factyou can find a Jewish idiot or three to support this contention hardly prove "millions" of Jews and Israeli support the contention....in fact, the very idea that this foul accusation has the support of more than a miscule moronic minority is an insult in itself....

Secondly ANYONE that promotes this kind of idiocy obviously hates Jews in general, and Israel in particular. This is EXACTLY the same kind of smear tactic used to promote hatred against Jews in Germany in the 30s, and demonstrates a level of hatred that is dangerous.....and yes, the accusation itself is an incitement to violence, as who doesn't want to eliminate Nazis????? Use your brain, fer God's sake.

Excuse me? Starvation, ghettoization, attack as weapons used by Israel? The same as the Nazis. Ridiculous.....Arab population are growing RAPIDLY!!! In 60 years, the Arab population in Israel has multiplied 6 times.........in 12 years the Jewish population under the Germans became one third its original size.....and you consider that a valid comparison??? Ridiculous.

Israel is a secular society. Look it up. :roll:

The 2008 attack into Gaza was a response to Palestinan attacks.....as I have said over and over and over and over and over and over, a modern military, in 22 days of attacks, on the most densely populated area on earth, killed at MOST 1418, of whom a very significant number (half) were militants. That is called a policy of RESTRAINT..........a point you steadfastly refuse to address. The Israelis could EASILY have killed 100,000.......easily.

Ummm....the Nazis killed 6 million.

And yes, the Germans engaged in many different plans to rid themselves of Jews....much like your buddies of the Israel Apartheid Week would love to do........it took them about 8 years to decide on complete and utter genocide.......it took them five years to dehumanize, and disenfranchise Jews.......meanwhile Arabs are Israeli citizens.........60 years after the creation of Israel.

The entire comparison is sooo odious, so disgusting, it is an obvious attempt to promote hated and violence against the Jewish people.

It is obviously a violation of Canadian law.

I believe in free speech, and dislike hate laws, or I would report you to the authorities.

You have revealed yourself as the worst kind of Jew-hater, one who promotes violence against Jews while hiding behind a self-righteous shield of imaginary concern for "human rights" :roll: Unbelieveable.

You should be ashamed. Very very ashamed.
 

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Even some Palestinians have a problem with this silly event...

Palestinian journalist Khaled Abu Toameh wrote:
It is hard to see how organizing events such as “Israel Apartheid Week” on a university campus could help the cause of the Palestinians. Isn’t there already enough anti-Israel incitement that is being spewed out of Arab and Islamic media outlets? . . .
Instead of investing money and efforts in organizing Israel Apartheid Week, for example, the self-described “pro-Palestinians” could dispatch a delegation of teachers to Palestinian villages and refugee camps to teach young Palestinians English. Or they could send another delegation to the Gaza Strip to monitor human rights violations by the Hamas authorities and help Palestinian women confront Muslim fundamentalists who are trying to limit their role to cooking, raising children and looking after the needs of their husbands.
Here is an idea: Let’s substitute Israel Apartheid Week with Palestine Democracy Week, where Palestinians would be urged and encouraged to demand an end to financial corruption and bad government.

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You have revealed yourself as the worst kind of Jew-hater, one who promotes violence against Jews while hiding behind a self-righteous shield of imaginary concern for "human rights" :roll: Unbelieveable.
So I guess my posts, and threads exposing eao as a neo Nazi supporter were pretty accurate?

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Secondly ANYONE that promotes this kind of idiocy obviously hates Jews in general, and Israel in particular. This is EXACTLY the same kind of smear tactic used to promote hatred against Jews in Germany in the 30s, and demonstrates a level of hatred that is dangerous.....and yes, the accusation itself is an incitement to violence, as who doesn't want to eliminate Nazis????? Use your brain, fer God's sake.
Colpy, you have your glasses on inside out. Your 'irrational support' of the modern Government of Israel is akin to the 'blind support' the citizens gave the Nazi's. They were the Gov and they were to be obeyed. The PR campaign these days is for the most part the one you promote, Israel can do no wrong. Say the US and Canada are of the same mind (they both voted yes), that still is coming from two countries that (in the 20th century) is still dealing with issues of what to do with the survivors of a war against the Gov. Our solution was lock em up and (no so ) gradually continue the war via social tactics over military ones. Medieval England Christian standards taught by the same tactics used back then. Peodifle Priests was not condemned, it was promoted. I'm not sure that qualifies us as being somebody who should be offering advice in how their situation should be handled.

Ummm....the Nazis killed 6 million.
A crime that the world is still paying for. Isn't that remembrance supposed to include the 7 million non-Jews that were starved to death some 10-15 prior, intentional starvation made it to the list of war crimes. Being made refugees included people that were not Jewish, Dresden being an example of mass civilian deaths despite leaving your home to the 'invaders'.
Now Israel is doing the same thing but because they have the backing of the US (and Canada). The ovens have been replaced by things that fall from the sky.

Oh BTW Palestinians were not in Germany helping, they owe them nothing, let alone their country. You love em so much put a family in you basement (for free) and treat them like the long lost son.
 

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A festival of bigotry

Israeli Apartheid Week is a disgrace that our leaders are correct to denounce


Israeli Apartheid Week (IAW), which began on Monday on dozens of university campuses, is an odious and bigoted annual ritual. While organizers bill it as an exercise in "Palestine solidarity," it typically features rabid expressions of hatred against Israel and its Jewish inhabitants. As a general principle, it goes without saying that criticism of Israel is not automatically tantamount to anti-Semitism. But the atmosphere at some IAW events blurs the line -- with extremist speakers whipping crowds into the sort of frenzy one more usually sees in newsreel footage from the streets of Cairo or Gaza City. As a result, many Jewish students often report feeling intimidated on their own campuses.
And...
Israel Apartheid Week Comes to Town

The insidious analogy returns to college campuses as part of the campaign to delegitimize Israel.

The false analogy between apartheid South Africa and Israel - particularly since the UN's racist 2001 Durban Conference - has played a key role in the campaign to delegitimize Israel and threaten its existence. The strategy of boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS) is based on convincing the public that Israel is no more legitimate than the apartheid regime in South Africa, and can be removed with enough public pressure.


Now, this insidious delegitimization campaign has returned to university campuses around the world, including the US, UK and Canada, as part of Israel Apartheid Week...
A couple interesting reads, for those who can.

I particularly like this comment, which sums up many of the pro Nazi supporters here...

Defenders of IAW will protest this description and insist they are merely human rights advocates looking to protect Palestinians from Israeli predation. (They will even trot out a few self-hating Israelis and left-wing Jewish rabbis to prove their point.) But if that is so, then why do these same advocates ignore the dozens of other nations whose human rights records are far worse than Israel's? Where is, say, North Korean Gulag Week or Zimbabwean Idi Amin Week?
Nowhere, because IAW types don't care about human rights. They care about smearing the Jewish state.
The PR campaign these days is for the most part the one you promote, Israel can do no wrong.
This only proves the very real fact that either you do not read what Colpy and myself have written over the years, or you read it with blinders on, or you have a comprehension issue.

Because I can assure you, we have both condemned Israeli actions, when warranted.
 
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If someone starts a string that in support of atrocities in the Sudan and the DRC, you can be sure I'd respond. But as far as I know, most Canadians and the Canadian government only support bombing and murdering innocent civilians if the criminals responsible are Israeli and the victims are Arab.

If someone here wants to start a post in support of war criminals in the Sudan or the the DRC, then I will post against these war crimes and crimes against humanity, just like I do now regarding posts in support of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Labeling Israel as an apartheid state is accurate. The have at least 3 classes of people within their borders or area of control. Those with full rights (Jewish Israelis), those with partial rights (Arab Israelis) and millions without rights (Palestinians). A fourth classification could be interpreted, as the people of Gaza who not only have no rights, but also suffer Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Israel is not a Nazi state as the Zionist philosophy is different than Nazism. But both Nazis and Zionists are guilty of ethnic cleansing, creating ghettos and concentration camps. Zionists haven't turned the concentration camps into death camps, but like the Nazis they are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The situation in Israel continues to grow worse. Zionists commit new and ever greater atrocities each year. How cruel and inhumane Zionists will eventually become isn't known, but the current trend indicates they are at the same point on their downward spiral regarding human rights as the Nazis were in the 1930's just before they turned concentration camps into death camps. Millions of people like myself have decided not to wait until after Zionist atrocities equal Nazi atrocities before speaking out and acting. We are speaking out as the atrocities occur in the attempt to prevent a holocaust, which makes far more sense then condemning it after it occurs.
 

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If someone starts a string that in support of atrocities in the Sudan and the DRC, you can be sure I'd respond. But as far as I know, most Canadians and the Canadian government only support bombing and murdering innocent civilians if the criminals responsible are Israeli and the victims are Arab.
More propaganda. You spend an inordinate amount of time, posting anti Israeli propaganda, then you do attacking real atrocities committed by despots, the world over.

Colpy and I have pointed this out numerous times. For if you were truly following a humanitarian ideology, real atrocities would be you primary posting content.

It is however not. Israel and Jews are your primary target constantly. Complete with insidious propaganda. Falsely comparing Jews to Nazi's. Where the facts of the matter dictate to the contrary.

If someone here wants to start a post in support of war criminals in the Sudan or the the DRC, then I will post against these war crimes and crimes against humanity, just like I do now regarding posts in support of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.
To my knowledge, no one here posts anything that supports any war crimes, anywhere. You will however find dissent and the offering of fact, that contradicts the lies that you continuously hold a true.

Labeling Israel as an apartheid state is accurate.
It is not. It is an outright lie. The very fact that Arabs of all religions free enjoy life within Israel is the fact that that is a complete falsehood. The fact that many Palestinians enjoy employment in Israel, while living outside her borders is further proof.

This is an affront to the very facts and an insult to the intelligence of the common man. The very essence of this erroneous claim is to insight hatred towards Israel. Period.

The have at least 3 classes of people within their borders or area of control. Those with full rights (Jewish Israelis), those with partial rights (Arab Israelis) and millions without rights (Palestinians). A fourth classification could be interpreted, as the people of Gaza who not only have no rights, but also suffer Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.
All of which is not supported by fact.

Israel is not a Nazi state as the Zionist philosophy is different than Nazism.
It's actually a Liberal democracy, as depicted by global political ideologies.

But both Nazis and Zionists are guilty of ethnic cleansing, creating ghettos and concentration camps.
Again, not supported by fact.

Zionists haven't turned the concentration camps into death camps, but like the Nazis they are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
No one has denied that Israel is guilty of crimes. The difference being in the rhetoric the amount of hatred one has, and how that effects the way they report the nature of those crimes.

The situation in Israel continues to grow worse. Zionists commit new and ever greater atrocities each year.
:lol:

How cruel and inhumane Zionists will eventually become isn't known, but the current trend indicates they are at the same point on their downward spiral regarding human rights as the Nazis were in the 1930's just before they turned concentration camps into death camps.
What a load of sh!t and a prime example of your irrational ideology and how you perpetuate hatred towards Jews and Israel by extension.

Millions of people like myself have decided not to wait until after Zionist atrocities equal Nazi atrocities before speaking out and acting. We are speaking out as the atrocities occur in the attempt to prevent a holocaust, which makes far more sense then condemning it after it occurs.
All the while expressing zero effort in addressing real atrocities around the world. Your focus on the Jewish state is the telling fact that your issue isn't with war crimes and acts of inhumanity, it is solely with the Jewish state.
 

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And...A couple interesting reads, for those who can.

I particularly like this comment, which sums up many of the pro Nazi supporters here...


This only proves the very real fact that either you do not read what Colpy and myself have written over the years, or you read it with blinders on, or you have a comprehension issue.

Because I can assure you, we have both condemned Israeli actions, when warranted.

What?

I have never once seen Colpy be critical of Israel. I have even called him on it and he didn't deny his unwavering support of Israel....not to sure about you, but given your dislike of all Muslims I see no reason to assume the otherwise.

This whole apartheid week crap does give shelter to those who dislike Jews but I also believe some legitimate people are involved (Bishop tutu) with this as well so I won't dismiss it as just about anti-Semitic behavior as the pro Israeli movement will have you believe, because I know that in some circles any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic and Nazi sympathizing.:roll:
 

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What?

I have never once seen Colpy be critical of Israel. I have even called him on it and he didn't deny his unwavering support of Israel....not to sure about you, but given your dislike of all Muslims I see no reason to assume the otherwise.
Both Colpy and myself have openly stated that Israel's unrestrained retaliation to rocket attacks, was both ill advised and counterproductive. We have also admitted that there are cases in which specific members of the IDF have committed crimes.

This whole apartheid week crap does give shelter to those who dislike Jews but I also believe some legitimate people are involved (Bishop tutu) with this as well so I won't dismiss it as just about anti-Semitic behavior as the pro Israeli movement will have you believe, because I know that in some circles any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic and Nazi sympathizing.:roll:
This is true, but Tutu is but one supporter. The vast majority are not as qualified, nor as legitimate as he is.

Thus negating the entire events validity IMHO.
 
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